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RE: A third party in US politics - 12/15/2008 8:20:56 PM   
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RE: A third party in US politics - 12/15/2008 8:23:14 PM   
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so three divides more than two?  wow... and recently we've had perot and nader... there are countries with more than two viable parties, israel and japan to name a couple...


Yep Japan sure does, and one party has dominated politics since 1955.  The Liberal Democratic Party has all the power.  Only once has that trend been upset, and that was only when other parties banded together.  It didn't last but a few years, because they all started fighting with each other.  I'm not saying the two-party system is perfect, but it works better than multi-party systems IMHO.  Two party systems lend themselves to more stability.   

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RE: A third party in US politics - 12/15/2008 8:26:17 PM   
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RE: A third party in US politics - 12/15/2008 8:28:18 PM   
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so three divides more than two?  wow... and recently we've had perot and nader... there are countries with more than two viable parties, israel and japan to name a couple...


Yep Japan sure does, and one party has dominated politics since 1955.  The Liberal Democratic Party has all the power.  Only once has that trend been upset, and that was only when other parties banded together.  It didn't last but a few years, because they all started fighting with each other.  I'm not saying the two-party system is perfect, but it works better than multi-party systems IMHO.  Two party systems lend themselves to more stability.   


not to be a bore, but didn't our capitalist, two party system just cause another economic meltdown(a once per decade thing now)?  or is that a thread hijack?

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RE: A third party in US politics - 12/15/2008 8:33:03 PM   
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give me a break!  so the status quo is ok in your book?  corruption and deceit?  both the pubs & the dems are nothing but criminals and gangsters!  (both parties voted for the bailout) they are robbing us and our grandchildren but ooooooooooo.....don't rock the boat!  give me a break!


If you don't like it, than vote out the incumbents.  If you don't see one you like.....RUN FOR OFFICE. 

You're right that there is very little difference between the parties.  It's supposed to be that way.  Our forefathers knew what they were doing.  You are never going to get 300 million people to agree on everything.  If they hadn't passed the bailouts, than other people would have raised Hell. 

I have news for you, PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIRD PARTIES EXIST.  The information is out there.  It's readily avaliable, but yet people still don't vote for them.  Calls for a 2nd Constitutional Convention, a rebellion, blah, blah are not new.  People have been screaming for those things since this country was founded.  Your ideas won't get rid of any corruption or liars.  It will just create new liars and thieves. 

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RE: A third party in US politics - 12/15/2008 8:36:56 PM   
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did anyone hear about NY state wanting to raise taxes on high calorie food & drink?  geeeez!

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RE: A third party in US politics - 12/15/2008 8:37:33 PM   
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give me a break!  so the status quo is ok in your book?  corruption and deceit?  both the pubs & the dems are nothing but criminals and gangsters!  (both parties voted for the bailout) they are robbing us and our grandchildren but ooooooooooo.....don't rock the boat!  give me a break!


If you don't like it, than vote out the incumbents.  If you don't see one you like.....RUN FOR OFFICE. 

You're right that there is very little difference between the parties.  It's supposed to be that way.  Our forefathers knew what they were doing.  You are never going to get 300 million people to agree on everything.  If they hadn't passed the bailouts, than other people would have raised Hell. 

I have news for you, PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIRD PARTIES EXIST.  The information is out there.  It's readily avaliable, but yet people still don't vote for them.  Calls for a 2nd Constitutional Convention, a rebellion, blah, blah are not new.  People have been screaming for those things since this country was founded.  Your ideas won't get rid of any corruption or liars.  It will just create new liars and thieves. 


1- no its not
2- not as readily available as the 600 news, or the debates, or cnn
3- therein lies the problem... power does corrupt...

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RE: A third party in US politics - 12/15/2008 8:40:33 PM   
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not to be a bore, but didn't our capitalist, two party system just cause another economic meltdown(a once per decade thing now)?  or is that a thread hijack?


No it didn't, and you're assumptions are wrong.  We don't have a "economic meltdown" every decade.  We have cyclical recessions, and occasionally some of them are worse than others.  You can lay the blame for the most recent one at the feet of a lot of folks.  Economics is not that simple, and I am not going to debate it in this thread. 

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RE: A third party in US politics - 12/15/2008 8:41:50 PM   
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give me a break!  so the status quo is ok in your book?  corruption and deceit?  both the pubs & the dems are nothing but criminals and gangsters!  (both parties voted for the bailout) they are robbing us and our grandchildren but ooooooooooo.....don't rock the boat!  give me a break!


If you don't like it, than vote out the incumbents.  If you don't see one you like.....RUN FOR OFFICE. 

You're right that there is very little difference between the parties.  It's supposed to be that way.  Our forefathers knew what they were doing.  You are never going to get 300 million people to agree on everything.  If they hadn't passed the bailouts, than other people would have raised Hell. 

I have news for you, PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIRD PARTIES EXIST.  The information is out there.  It's readily avaliable, but yet people still don't vote for them.  Calls for a 2nd Constitutional Convention, a rebellion, blah, blah are not new.  People have been screaming for those things since this country was founded.  Your ideas won't get rid of any corruption or liars.  It will just create new liars and thieves. 


i do vote!  my ideas that you refer to are more than that!  i believe in the constitution as it was written. 

PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THIRD PARTIES EXIST.  HELL THEY DO NOT KNOW WHY THEY VOTED FOR OBAMA, SO HOW CAN THEY KNOW OF THIRD PARTIES.  PEOPLE ONLY KNOW WHAT THE MEDIA WANTS THEM TO KNOW! 



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RE: A third party in US politics - 12/15/2008 8:44:34 PM   
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not to be a bore, but didn't our capitalist, two party system just cause another economic meltdown(a once per decade thing now)?  or is that a thread hijack?


No it didn't, and you're assumptions are wrong.  We don't have a "economic meltdown" every decade.  We have cyclical recessions, and occasionally some of them are worse than others.  You can lay the blame for the most recent one at the feet of a lot of folks.  Economics is not that simple, and I am not going to debate it in this thread. 


hello hello....1929!  2008!  yes the blame lies at the feet of both the dems & the pubs...IMHO!

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RE: A third party in US politics - 12/15/2008 8:47:18 PM   
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not to be a bore, but didn't our capitalist, two party system just cause another economic meltdown(a once per decade thing now)?  or is that a thread hijack?


No it didn't, and you're assumptions are wrong.  We don't have a "economic meltdown" every decade.  We have cyclical recessions, and occasionally some of them are worse than others.  You can lay the blame for the most recent one at the feet of a lot of folks.  Economics is not that simple, and I am not going to debate it in this thread. 


like i said, sorry for the hijack.  but our modern system is flawed- and thats why the peaks and lows are so pronounced... maybe another time... but you can't deny our presidential leadership has been centrist for a long time... and really, so is the congress.

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RE: A third party in US politics - 12/15/2008 8:54:30 PM   
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What would it need to create a third party in US politics? One that actually stood a chance of holding some power. What kind of thing would be in its manifesto? Is there room in the US political spectrum?

"Third parties are like bees--once they sting, they die."

Third parties exist in this country, but they function as an "advance guard" for ideas that ultimately get subsumed by one or the other of the two major parties, as either the Democrats or Republicans will co-opt ideas, policies, and programs of third parties that gain traction with the broader electorate.


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RE: A third party in US politics - 12/15/2008 9:22:09 PM   
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RE: A third party in US politics - 12/15/2008 9:52:51 PM   
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Thanks Rachel, I am well versed in literature, 1984 is great, but I prefer Animal Farm. Orwell is of course brilliant. I was making a play on your comment. By the way, it is only democrat when referring to an individual, it is always "democratic" when referring to the party. Lastly, I don't drink koolaid. I will be drinking a cheeky little Vueve Cliquot on  on 1/20/09 though. I will toast to your being enlightened. If you think that these huge corporations that touch aspects of most americans with any credit and/or investments, etc. don't affect the "public" you are uninformed.  Unless of course you want to go all Ruby Ridge or something? That ended well for them. 

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first, what i posted is what Obama has said, like how he will leave in the bush tax cut, and how private buisness needs a public bailout.   second, 1984 is a book.  third, i dont drink democrat koolaid.   but help yourself.   


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RE: A third party in US politics - 12/15/2008 9:56:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bestbabync

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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give me a break!  so the status quo is ok in your book?  corruption and deceit?  both the pubs & the dems are nothing but criminals and gangsters!  (both parties voted for the bailout) they are robbing us and our grandchildren but ooooooooooo.....don't rock the boat!  give me a break!


If you don't like it, than vote out the incumbents.  If you don't see one you like.....RUN FOR OFFICE. 

You're right that there is very little difference between the parties.  It's supposed to be that way.  Our forefathers knew what they were doing.  You are never going to get 300 million people to agree on everything.  If they hadn't passed the bailouts, than other people would have raised Hell. 

I have news for you, PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIRD PARTIES EXIST.  The information is out there.  It's readily avaliable, but yet people still don't vote for them.  Calls for a 2nd Constitutional Convention, a rebellion, blah, blah are not new.  People have been screaming for those things since this country was founded.  Your ideas won't get rid of any corruption or liars.  It will just create new liars and thieves. 


i do vote!  my ideas that you refer to are more than that!  i believe in the constitution as it was written. 

PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THIRD PARTIES EXIST.  HELL THEY DO NOT KNOW WHY THEY VOTED FOR OBAMA, SO HOW CAN THEY KNOW OF THIRD PARTIES.  PEOPLE ONLY KNOW WHAT THE MEDIA WANTS THEM TO KNOW! 




Baby what kind of idiots do you spend time with? Everyone knows there are third party candidates, we just know it is akin to throwing our vote out the window. Oh well that and they suck 99.9% of the time. Maybe you should turn off the television and read? Obviously the "media" is an evil liberal plot to suck your brain stem out. Lord....     

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RE: A third party in US politics - 12/16/2008 5:45:35 AM   
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i have read the US Constitution/Declaration of Independence, have you?

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RE: A third party in US politics - 12/16/2008 5:50:14 AM   
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my beliefs and politics certainly did not come from TV, i will leave that to the masses.


Why, you surprise me there, baby: that's mightily elitist of you, isn't it?

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RE: A third party in US politics - 12/16/2008 5:56:01 AM   
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one is uneduacated and brain dead when getting information from TV
one is elitist and a surprise when educating theirselves by reading & searching for the truth.

go figure only here on CM would that be said.

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RE: A third party in US politics - 12/16/2008 6:06:37 AM   
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RE: A third party in US politics - 12/16/2008 6:23:54 AM   
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matter of fact since i joined the Libertarian Party everything is easy and clear. 

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