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Total acquiescence, can it really happen? - 12/18/2008 4:03:48 AM   
CatdeMedici


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Status: offline 		..."where my will doesn't count and my opinion doesn't matter, i simply obey"
 
I have heard this from more than a few potential submissives, slaves...
 
Is this really an achieveable state with a submissive, slave? Is it realistic? Do people, can people really blindly put their faith in another human being regardless if they agree with the consequences?
 


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RE: Total acquiescence, can it really happen? - 12/18/2008 4:06:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		It depends on his track record.  If his life is well run and functional...he's made good solid choices and has ethics that I agree with, then yes, a strong possiblity.
If he's shown that he sucks at life choices and managing the basics of his life, then no.  I wouldn't be with him in a relationship at all if that was the case.

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RE: Total acquiescence, can it really happen? - 12/18/2008 4:09:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes it is possible. I have given this to Master. I simply obey because I trust him and I trust him because he is rational, thinks before doing, listens to what I have to say, takes me into consideration and has his own life under control.



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RE: Total acquiescence, can it really happen? - 12/18/2008 4:20:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Yes it is possible. I have given this to Master. I simply obey because I trust him and I trust him because he is rational, thinks before doing, listens to what I have to say, takes me into consideration and has his own life under control.





and  yet you post here, so he allows you your opinion or does he tell you what and when to write?  ( I am not toying, judging or demeaning you--I am trying to understand this dynamic)
 


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RE: Total acquiescence, can it really happen? - 12/18/2008 4:23:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		i think that if a person is in a really stable relationship with someone who actually shares their values, it can appear that the act of obediance stems from a complete disregard for the subs opinions/feelings....but in reality, its just a compatibility issue...

If its decided and agreed upon from the beginning about who is going to have the final say on all matters....then really, what is to think about after that??

This assumes a lot, in my life...i cant acquiese(omg, i cant spell this am) if fundamentally i have no faith in his decision making skills....so in effect, i agree with Aileen.

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RE: Total acquiescence, can it really happen? - 12/18/2008 4:27:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Yes it is possible. I have given this to Master. I simply obey because I trust him and I trust him because he is rational, thinks before doing, listens to what I have to say, takes me into consideration and has his own life under control.





and  yet you post here, so he allows you your opinion or does he tell you what and when to write?  ( I am not toying, judging or demeaning you--I am trying to understand this dynamic)
 



On the flip side, her master most likely also chose someone who was rational and has her life under control.  This falls into micromanagement, in my opinion. 

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RE: Total acquiescence, can it really happen? - 12/18/2008 4:35:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Yes it is possible. I have given this to Master. I simply obey because I trust him and I trust him because he is rational, thinks before doing, listens to what I have to say, takes me into consideration and has his own life under control.





and  yet you post here, so he allows you your opinion or does he tell you what and when to write?  ( I am not toying, judging or demeaning you--I am trying to understand this dynamic)
 



On the flip side, her master most likely also chose someone who was rational and has her life under control.  This falls into micromanagement, in my opinion. 


What Aileen said...

He doesn't micromanage me. He trusts me. He knows I'm not going to do things that would make me or us look like a fool.

We're both grown adults with lives but if he felt he needed to tighten the reigns then he does so. He does at times tell me what to write and when but he does allow me my opinion. That doesn't mean it always matters to him though lol.

My life is at his whim though. He commands, I obey.


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RE: Total acquiescence, can it really happen? - 12/18/2008 4:37:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

..."where my will doesn't count and my opinion doesn't matter, i simply obey"
 
I have heard this from more than a few potential submissives, slaves...
 
Is this really an achieveable state with a submissive, slave? Is it realistic? Do people, can people really blindly put their faith in another human being regardless if they agree with the consequences?
 



Sure it can happen....but why would you want it to? I don't ever want to get to a point where my thoughts and opinions "don't matter". I don't ever want to get to a point where my submission becomes a robotic response. Some of the most profoundly submissive moments in my life have come from the times when my opinions and will were in direct opposition to his requests...and he knew it. It is in those times that I have to reach down deep to give over that control and submit. In those times he can clearly see and appreciate where I have to come from to get to where he wants me to be.

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RE: Total acquiescence, can it really happen? - 12/18/2008 4:40:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

..."where my will doesn't count and my opinion doesn't matter, i simply obey"
 
I have heard this from more than a few potential submissives, slaves...
 
Is this really an achieveable state with a submissive, slave? Is it realistic? Do people, can people really blindly put their faith in another human being regardless if they agree with the consequences?
 


Yes.

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RE: Total acquiescence, can it really happen? - 12/18/2008 5:13:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you develop a trust of a person so that you know they will always have your best interest in their mind when making any decision for you, it is possible. Like I say, you had better be better than I am for me to follow you, but when I know you can lead, I will follow. There aren't many people in the world I would follow like that. A few but not many.

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RE: Total acquiescence, can it really happen? - 12/18/2008 5:16:10 AM   
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RE: Total acquiescence, can it really happen? - 12/18/2008 5:34:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think this is something I can do or even choose too, imo.

I always been a thinker, and to do opposite would mean He doesn't have who he wanted in the first place.

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RE: Total acquiescence, can it really happen? - 12/18/2008 5:43:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

..."where my will doesn't count and my opinion doesn't matter, i simply obey"
 
I have heard this from more than a few potential submissives, slaves...
 
Is this really an achieveable state with a submissive, slave? Is it realistic? Do people, can people really blindly put their faith in another human being regardless if they agree with the consequences?

Apparently some people can and even...enjoy the consequences.

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RE: Total acquiescence, can it really happen? - 12/18/2008 5:49:22 AM   
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"where my will doesn't count and my opinion doesn't matter, i simply obey"



The trust is there. I have no need nor desire to pit my will against Masters.

My opinions on matters are of more importance to him to hear than they are of importance to me to share. They like everything else belong to him as well.

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RE: Total acquiescence, can it really happen? - 12/18/2008 5:56:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with those above me, yet I felt the need to add a thought. 
While it is possible, often times even the goal, the variable is consistency. 



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RE: Total acquiescence, can it really happen? - 12/18/2008 6:02:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

..."where my will doesn't count and my opinion doesn't matter, i simply obey"
 
I have heard this from more than a few potential submissives, slaves...
 
Is this really an achieveable state with a submissive, slave? Is it realistic? Do people, can people really blindly put their faith in another human being regardless if they agree with the consequences?
 



I expect there are people that want that....

It's not disputed that they have a will or an opinion.........just that it *doesn't matter* to whoever they are with.

This occurs in my relationship too in certain circumstances, so I don't think the words or the situation is odd in the least. The who and the why might do, though.

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RE: Total acquiescence, can it really happen? - 12/18/2008 6:05:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

..."where my will doesn't count and my opinion doesn't matter, i simply obey"
 
I have heard this from more than a few potential submissives, slaves...
 
Is this really an achieveable state with a submissive, slave? Is it realistic? Do people, can people really blindly put their faith in another human being regardless if they agree with the consequences?
 



Yes. What confuses me is how people take this and transform it into meaning that I lose all brain function... that I don't have any thoughts, opinions, or a will. Blind obedience means that you obey without thought, yes. It is an instantaneous reaction and there are numerous things that I do in an automatic response to Him. However, that doesn't mean there aren't a whole lot of moments in between where he asks my opinion... it simply means that my opinion matters only if he wishes for it to. It means that when he doesn't have a desire to hear my opinion, he doesn't. He chooses when to hear it, and he chooses when to take it into account and act accordingly... my obedience is in accepting it regardless of what I think of it. My obedience is in sharing it when he wishes and not sharing it when that is what he wishes... it doesn't mean that all brain function has ceased to exist... it means absolute acceptance without argument, without cajoling, without digs, without scowls, without manipulations, it means acceptance... faith.. obedience.
Having said that, to me, that is part of considerring whose collar you wish to beg for. A man whose decisions I constantly disagreed with, only to have his decisions constantly turn out poorly, leaving me to believe that in fact I was a better decision maker than him... well, I would never long for that man's collar. I examined those things in the beginning in order to be certain I wanted my Masters collar... that I ached for it, that I could give over everything and accept whatever He chose... that I could accept any decision He made... that's where the foundation for blind faith and obedience was built. 
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RE: Total acquiescence, can it really happen? - 12/18/2008 6:14:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rabinyaZharovna
it doesn't mean that all brain function has ceased to exist... it means absolute acceptance without argument, without cajoling, without digs, without scowls, without manipulations, it means acceptance... faith.. obedience.


Not sure if you meant to imply that you can't have an opinion and have that opinion matter while still obeying and accepting or not. I know that my opinion and feelings always matter to him and I can certainly have one, even a conflicting one, while still obeying and accepting...without having to resort to any of that topping from the bottom-y stuff that you mentioned.

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RE: Total acquiescence, can it really happen? - 12/18/2008 6:20:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		i couldnt do it now - i just find it far too difficult to keep my mouth shut, if only to be cheeky and ellicit some mirth.

but in my early twenties i had a relationship a little as youre describing.  it evolved more that way because i was pretty vapid back then and didnt really have much of an opinion about anything anyway - and didnt want one.  his stance was really along the lines that i was an amusing bit of tumble to tie up and do things to and so long as that continued he didnt want much more from me. 

at around 25 i realised that my girlfriends didnt have curfews, could do whatever the hang they wanted and that my 'overseen/orchestrated' life was a bit suffocating.  so i got a bit rebellious and make a break for it.  it actually ended up that i had to threaten an injunction on him in the end - not pleasant and not something id return to.  that level of control is not for me now, but at the time, at its best i was very happy because he looked after everything, i didnt have to do a thing, a bit of a 'hot house orchid' really and i can look back on it now with some warm memories, but the ending was a bit messy, which i regret.

so yes they do exist, but possibly not exactly for the same reasons i mention above, just my experience of that dynamic.

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RE: Total acquiescence, can it really happen? - 12/18/2008 6:31:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		What do you mean by "doesn't matter"?  Doesn't matter as in the dominant does not care what the opinion is?  Or doesn't matter in that the submissive is not going to be doing what they want, but what the dominant wants?  Two different things.

My will is irrelevant to what I am actually going to do.  Sometimes, my will and his will are one in the same.  Often they are not.  It doesn't really matter what my will is, he is going to do his will and expect me to do the same.  The only part of my will that really counts is that it is my will to remain in this relationship.

My opinions are important to him, but that doesn't mean that I get to express them whenever I want.  I express them when he allows it.  Just because he listens to my opinion and wants to know what it is, that doesn't mean that he is going to agree with it or that it will change his mind on what he wants me to do.  My opinions matter to him, they are just often irrelevant to what he is going to have me do.  They are important; its just that often they don't really matter in the whole scheme of things in this relationship.  He has and will continue to make decisions that are contrary to my opinion.

Yeah it is realistic and achievable.  However, it is incorrect to say it is something that blindly happened in our relationship.

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