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lobodomslavery -> Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 10:05:39 AM)

Does insisting on obedience from your subs get boring after a while. Ladies do you feel old fashioned, doing this after a while all the time.  After all in the real world does anyone get obedience 100% of the time from their servants, workers, underlings, whatever you want to call them or is there no excuse for not obeying Mistress's orders. Is Mistress word Law for the submissive at all times
kevin



Lordandmaster -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 10:08:52 AM)

I don't like the smart-assed stuff and am always struck by how non-smart-assed a sub acts while she's being cock-gagged.



Lynnxz -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 10:09:40 AM)

I dislike drama whores, and passive agressive behavior. 



lusciouslips19 -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 10:11:58 AM)

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Is Mistress word Law for the submissive at all times
kevin


That would depend on the Dom/me and the relationship with the submissive and the dynamic they choose.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 10:43:33 AM)

It's definitely near the top of my annoying list to be around someone who claims to want to be part of an authority transfer based dynamic and then does whatever they can to not transfer authority. 

There's a rather large difference between "imperfect obedience" and "willful disobedience"



SteelofUtah -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 10:50:20 AM)

Again as has already been stated, My relationship may not reflect yours. so take what you want from this.

To us it isn't about the I say, You do. It's about the fact that she WANTS to do what I Want done. Yes there are times when she doesn't want to do something and she sometimes Bucks the Tiger, but it is a natural dance. Not everyone is always ready with the "Yes Sir", do I like this? No, but I don't begrudge it either.

Pushy isn't acceptable but everyone has bad days.

Steel



Aszhrae -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 10:55:45 AM)

Transferring power of authority of one self to another requires a whole lot of trust. Certainly a sub agreeing and willfully doing such believes in their dominant. Beyond the discipline and the punishments in such a dynamic, girl could only see rebellion the result of having your life threatened in some way.
There is of course the reward of certain leniency for continued loyalty without rebellion.
However, being micromanaged is something that bothers me to a small degree.



happypervert -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 10:56:07 AM)

I think a submissive can be pushy and see how far she can go without being disobedient -- it can simply be a matter of being unsure where the boundaries are and probing to find them. Furthermore, there are dominants who set rules but fail to enforce them, so I think early on submissives will test the waters just to see how authority is enforced.

I actually expect some of this behavior to establish a power dynamic is more than just talk, so this testing behavior will fall somewhere between docile obedience and being a pain in the ass. If a submissive is too docile I'll have no interest just as I don't want to bother with someone who is a pain in the ass.



DrkJourney -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 11:10:09 AM)

NO, I do not like pushy, bratty behavior.  If you're saying that it would relieve boredom, I disagree...all it will bring is frustration and if it's too much I would simply dismiss him.   As someone else stated, I hate drama.

Besides I think I can keep enough going on where we would not need that to relieve bordom.



IronBear -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 11:10:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Does insisting on obedience from your subs get boring after a while. Ladies do you feel old fashioned, doing this after a while all the time.  After all in the real world does anyone get obedience 100% of the time from their servants, workers, underlings, whatever you want to call them or is there no excuse for not obeying Mistress's orders. Is Mistress word Law for the submissive at all times
kevin




Not being a Lady or any sort of female (has a grope and look see to varify this statement), I shall ignore the OP (quoted), and address the heading:
Do you like pushy subs who  see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience?

Hell Yes!!!!! I love seeing how far they will go before they push themselves out my door and front gate....




NihilusZero -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 11:12:48 AM)

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Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you

No.



lobodomslavery -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 11:15:26 AM)

Thats no problem Sir the only reason i addressed to ladies was that most of the input being an Ask a Mistress group would come from Ladies but there are honourable exceptions and its nice to see that there are a few brave dominant men out there to add to the mix
kevin



stella41b -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 11:23:14 AM)

Pushy ish good when you're pished after a few drinks.



LadyPact -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 11:24:30 AM)

My question in reply would be, why would I want anyone in My life who was pushy?



lobodomslavery -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 11:35:45 AM)

Not pushy all the time just disobedient and challenging occasionally to make it more fun and less predictable. As one Lady said to me whats the point if everything is handed to you and you get everything you expect, where's the challenge, but i respect your view Lady Pact
kevin



Aszhrae -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 11:41:54 AM)

Being slightly rebellious girl would perceive as being bratty and probably not pushy either. Just resilience which would require new approaches of discipline and/or punishments.
Girl is finding though that some dominants want absolute with little effort on their parts being the dominant. There will always be something that will occur to test the dominant, just as the dominant will do something to test the sub/slave.
Again, it is only some dominants that demand absolute submission with little effort on their part.
After all is said in done, is not the dominant that makes the sub/slave more to their liking?
Training is reconditioning of behavior.
A sub to push back, is their will pushing back.
Those that reply by saying, 'No' would have me perceive they would be happy without a sub/slave that has absolutely no will of their own. Puppet on a string.




LadyPact -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 11:48:12 AM)

No, I can't imagine that there are many Dominants who specifically want a sub who intentionally disobeys rather than submits.  There is enough challenge in life, rather than wishing it into a dynamic. 

Then again, coming from someone who loves to create drama, I should expect such a theory.



Maxwell67 -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 11:49:24 AM)

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I have met only one sub I could not handle and that was an honesty issue.  I am very patient and I have had Mine try to push in the past, but in every case it was only because they did not realize how to have their needs filled another way.  Being bratty or pushy is what they knew how to do. Once I have given them the proper discipline and opened them up to knowing there are much more rewarding ways to behave, I have found the bad behavior stops very quickly and when it resurfaces, which is pretty much inevitable a few times at least, it requires only a word or tow to show them they are doing it again, and then often I am thanked and their behavior changes instantly.  So I suppose that my answer would have to be no, I do not, but I deal with it properly and so it is not a problem for me.



lobodomslavery -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 11:57:28 AM)

im being playful Lady Pact, i mean fun disobedience is no big deal, like i say , does anyone of us obey our betters every day of our lives anyway,  think of people who mitch from school college etc, is that not a form of disobedience, how is doing a job more slowly than usual for  a Mistress, just to see what Her reaction is any different from mitching from college or school which we have all done. In my book it isnt, its just winding Her up , in the same way that you wind somebody else up , for a joke.  That being said, the Mistress would be well entitled to strike back if She did not like it or it went too far.  On the other point, yes i have found something im good at, controversy, everyone likes a good debate, be a bit contrary, especially us Irish and im sure its the same in U S, you know the loveable rogue, sort of
kevin



Sexycelticlady -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 11:58:56 AM)

I think to some extent there is a natural element in subs towards being pushy. I for one need to know my bounds and that if I am pushy what level of slack I have before chain is snapped. I need to test my Dom and his control because as a person I need to know that He is aware of me and the He will exert control when needed and that He can keep up with me. I would only do it in minor ways, and it is not something I do out of disrespect or because I am not submitting, it is simply part of my nature and I am not always aware of it. My Sir likes the fact that I am a challenge and there are times I push, when I take a task and go beyond what is expected, thus taking things to a new level and pushing my Dom to respond. There is no willfull disobedience, but in my eagerness to please, because I am capable of meeting challenges and tasks and because I am very intelligent I can sometimes go beyond the level I should.

But there are those that, like everything, take things way too far, such as deliberate disobedience, in my opinion. But if you don't like a sub that tests you then don't interact with them.



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