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RE: Hollywood hospital dumps paraplegic on the street. - 12/22/2008 9:32:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would've tossed out a pregnant illegal alien to make room for the guy until some sort of arraingments could be made.

Actually under most regulations I think the guy should've been transferred to a public hospital. They are not supposed to release someone who can't care for themselves into a situation where they will not be cared for.

Actually the really full story is probably not being told. Imagine the convo in the van, they would drop the guy off probably anywhere, but perhaps being so alienated from friends and family he might have said "Just drop me off on fucking skid row". We don't know.

Years ago one of the daytime TV bitches,  like Springer or somebody did a show on the homeless and it turns out that some of them actually do have a place they could go, they just don't want to go there.  I know such a homeless person.  He stops over about once every two weeks to play my guitars and suck down a few of my  beers. He could go stay with his son, but he won't. He can't stand kids, and we are talking about his own grandkids. I don't know if this actually qualifies as a mental illness, but it certainly is an aberration to say the least. He is not the brightest bulb on the tree, but he does have a skill. His brother actually had nowhere to go and shared a nice spot under a bridge for the summer. When it started getting cold the lited on a shelter, which is fairly good.

You get three hots and a cot, and though you have to be in at a certain time every night, not being there one night does not cost you your bed, locker etc. They require that you actively seek work or training, and they provide a phone so you have a callback number to put on job apps and such. They also provide bus passes to get to training, job interviews and whatever. Maybe he is better off there than with his son, who he says mainly wants to use him as a babysitter all the time. Then he can't go anywhere, to look for a job for example.

All the guy wants is a sleeping room, food and guitar. He wants a job so badly that he'll take anything. He used to be a semiskilled facrory worker, setting up die casting machines and things like that.  He was not the grunt who pushed the pedal to make a part, he was the one who made the pedal work. But we have alot less of that type of work in this country now.

Mark my words - We are going to see more of this. Times do have to get worse before they can get better. Looking out for number one is no longer going to be an option for the selfish. It will be a tool of those who survive. Welcome to Earth, third rock from the sun.

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RE: Hollywood hospital dumps paraplegic on the street. - 12/22/2008 11:46:40 AM   
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I would've tossed out a pregnant illegal alien to make room for the guy until some sort of arraingments could be made.



What a charming sentiment  .

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RE: Hollywood hospital dumps paraplegic on the street. - 12/22/2008 11:49:53 AM   
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...  the physicians of a hospital should not, however, be brought the guillotine for not serving any individual who waltzes (or rolls) up to their office and demands it. sorry, but that's not just.



Maybe not the guillotine, but they are accountable.

This is not waltzing up to the drive-thru and ordering a Big Mac.

There's this little thing about an oath they take and it doesn't include anything about checking a patient's credit rating before treating him.



Perhaps, but there's something to be said for large public hospitals going bankrupt because people go  there JUST because they know they can get free treatment.


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RE: Hollywood hospital dumps paraplegic on the street. - 12/22/2008 12:08:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do have to disagree with most homeless people having a place to go.  That is not my experience.  Some may have a place to stay... where they are abused in some way... where they are used in some way or where they are actually loved but maybe misunderstood and other reasons. 

I found the largest sector of homeless during my time in the field, for men to be war vets and the addicted, next came lack of skills or employment or divorce.  As the economy changes so will these things.

For women and um's it was most often the break up of a relationship, low income and no child support or addictive relationships.  Then came other addictions and poor family history.

In both genders, mental illness or illness in general followed these things.

Many may have a place to go, but would chose a shelter or the streets before that place.  That right there should suggest something wrong, because most who are sane would not want to go to a shelter or the streets.  Many shelters are charging money after a certain amount of time and some are not free at all.  I have seen some awful things.. people making large sum's of money off the homeless issue and lots of coruption... and then have seen some wonderful people and places.  There is a whole lot more to it all and unless you actually get close to the situations, you may never know what 'really' goes on there.  I do think more are about to find out, if there is space for them.  I always had a waiting list and times were not as bad then.

Just my two cents...

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RE: Hollywood hospital dumps paraplegic on the street. - 12/22/2008 5:28:55 PM   
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Maybe not the guillotine, but they are accountable.

This is not waltzing up to the drive-thru and ordering a Big Mac.

There's this little thing about an oath they take and it doesn't include anything about checking a patient's credit rating before treating him.



Perhaps, but there's something to be said for large public hospitals going bankrupt because people go  there JUST because they know they can get free treatment.



Then maybe we should re-think the whole concept of health care as a commodity rather than a necessity everyone should be entitled to.

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RE: Hollywood hospital dumps paraplegic on the street. - 12/22/2008 5:38:16 PM   
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RE: Hollywood hospital dumps paraplegic on the street. - 12/22/2008 6:28:25 PM   
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Is this what it has come to, people if they have no money, are nothing, just worthless pieces of refuse to be thrown away ?


Yeah, that's pretty much the way it is, but we're really uncomfortable with putting it that way.  We ration health care based on ability to pay, but to acknowledge that would make us seem really cold and materialistic when there are so many folks who, through little or no fault of their own, have no ability to pay the high costs of health care.  So what do we do?  We can't put someone in critical condition out on the streets - there are laws against that.  We can put someone in serious-but-not-immediately-threatening condition back out on the streets.  There's no way to do that without seeming crass, cold and heartless, but there's no way to absorb the cost of all of the uninsured folk without putting the financial stability of the medical insitution at risk.  Medicaid will pick up some of the bills, but it doesn't pay enough to encourage aggressive treatment.  It does pay enough to stabilize the patient and send them home in most cases.  If there isn't a home to send them to, the hospital can't afford to keep them. 

What do you suggest health care providers do about patients with no insurance or ability to pay who have serious chronic conditions that are expensive to treat? 

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RE: Hollywood hospital dumps paraplegic on the street. - 12/22/2008 6:50:47 PM   
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if he can afford the cake, then he should. the physicians of a hospital should not, however, be brought the guillotine for not serving any individual who waltzes (or rolls) up to their office and demands it. sorry, but that's not just.


I should not be able to waltz up to any medical facility and demand that they treat me regardless of my ability to pay HOWEVER I should not have to die of some easily treated illness because I don't have insurance and can't afford to pay for care and drugs out of my own pocket. 

It is estimated that 20,000 people die in the US every year because they don't have health insurance and can't get the care they need.  They're dying of things like diabetes, high blood pressure, pneumonia, infections... stuff that we have treatments for and know how to deal with - that no one should have to die from.  Is it just that people should die from treatable illnesses and diseases because they aren't rich enough to afford health insurance and aren't poor enough to get medicaid?

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RE: Hollywood hospital dumps paraplegic on the street. - 12/22/2008 7:10:38 PM   
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        Jesus Holy Fucking Christ.  So which of you Pollyannas wants to bring this bum home for the rest of his life? 

      For those with all the helpful opinions, based on precisely no actual knowledge of anything but opinion, Skid Row is where the shelters and services are.  That's where the vans pick up on the cold nights, where the soup kitchens are, and the missions.  Where he told them he lived.

      

      

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RE: Hollywood hospital dumps paraplegic on the street. - 12/22/2008 7:27:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		but it appears that they didnt drop him AT a shelter, TH... at least not that I recall reading in the article..  I mean seriously.. dude got a colostomy bag, least they could do is take him to the door!

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RE: Hollywood hospital dumps paraplegic on the street. - 12/22/2008 8:20:58 PM   
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but it appears that they didnt drop him AT a shelter, TH... at least not that I recall reading in the article..  I mean seriously.. dude got a colostomy bag, least they could do is take him to the door!



          It isn't mentioned in the OP piece, GT, but this particular bum had the charming habit of taking his colostomy bag apart, and he had defecated all over the inside of the van.  Ripping that bag seems to have been his preferred method of artistic expression.  He had also done it in the emergency room lobby where he spent the previous night, because the shelter was full and the van brought him back to the hospital.  This story was big news here two years ago.  He was a lousy poster-child for a legitimate concern.  The van driver was no prize either, of course.  She was supposed to wipe it up with a smile, instead of dragging his ass out into the gutter.

        

      

        

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RE: Hollywood hospital dumps paraplegic on the street. - 12/22/2008 8:22:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		ahhh..  ok, whats that radio guys name? .. "and now, the REST of the story..."

Thanks, TH :)

And happy holidays :)

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RE: Hollywood hospital dumps paraplegic on the street. - 12/22/2008 8:30:09 PM   
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And happy holidays :)



             You too. 

      

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RE: Hollywood hospital dumps paraplegic on the street. - 12/22/2008 8:35:56 PM   
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Isn`t this the logical conclusion to the sink or swim philosophy of conservatism?

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RE: Hollywood hospital dumps paraplegic on the street. - 12/22/2008 8:51:38 PM   
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Isn`t this the logical conclusion to the sink or swim philosophy of conservatism?


        More a conclusion of the completely non-partisan philosophy of don't shit where you eat.

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RE: Hollywood hospital dumps paraplegic on the street. - 12/22/2008 9:00:09 PM   
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or don`t shit it the bed/chair you can`t get out of cuz you`re frigg`n paralyzed?

Damm cripples,how dare they foist their petty problems on us.

Why don`t they just go away?!

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RE: Hollywood hospital dumps paraplegic on the street. - 12/22/2008 10:42:15 PM   
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Damm cripples,how dare they foist their petty problems on us.

Why don`t they just go away?!



       As always, O59, your ignorance (or denial) of reality makes me smile.

       Merry Christmas to you as well.


       P.S.  I bet it's cold tonight in your part of the world.  How many physically handicapped bums will be sleeping in your living room?

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RE: Hollywood hospital dumps paraplegic on the street. - 12/22/2008 11:56:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		All this beating of chests over the horrible dumping of a homeless guy on the streets of Hollywood by some ambulance people with an IQ lower than the speed limit on Rodeo Drive!  Shit happens people...homeless guys are dumped, babies are killed by their mothers, and old parents are abandoned EVERY DAY in this country...and everywhere else on the warming planet.  To indict the entire United States of America, it's 300 million plus citizens and probably 20 million illegals because of the stupidity, criminality and lack of concern for another by a handful of the population,  really suggests more of an "agenda" than a "concern". 

Sure we are going through a really rough time at present, but it does not change the basic fact that we have the greatest country on earth, a country of truly generous people who have done more to bring comfort to the poor than any other,  have spent hundred of billions of taxpayer dollars and individual donations to support the poor both here and abroad from food to billions sent to Africa to fight aids, and have allowed people across our porous borders like no other civilized power.
Maybe the glass is half empty today...but it is still half filled.....Show me any place that's any better than America!  The most ardent believers in the wonder of our country are immigrants who know what it is to be kept down and not given those rights we in their country taken for granted by native born Americans.  I sure as hell did not vote for Obama but it is a credit to the country that a black man will peacefully take the position of President.  For every idiot that throws a hapless person on the streets, there is a Starbucks waitress who donated her kidney to save the life of total stranger.  A country that has people who want to "save the wales",  "save the ;polar bears", "save the freakin snail darter" can't be all that bad...dontcha think?


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RE: Hollywood hospital dumps paraplegic on the street. - 12/23/2008 1:23:58 AM   
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Isn`t this the logical conclusion to the sink or swim philosophy of conservatism?
Exactly. Any NORMAL person would conclude that this PARAPLEGIC man on a Colostomy might not be firing on all cylinders. SO what is the response of the "Compassionate >choke, gag< Conservatives" here?

"The police are calling it a case of "homeless dumping" and Detective Russ Long said, "I can't think of anything colder than that. There was no mission around, no services. It's the worst area of Skid Row.""
SO NO Missions, no services. Just the street.  Yeah, fuck him. Any able-bodied mentally ill paraplegic should be able to pull himself up by his ***bootstraps*** and walk on his hands or his tongue to get some assistence. He doesn't deserve a dime of that trillion-dollar bailout for all those poor, decrepit CEOs.  Fuck him. Scumbag Socialist.


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RE: Hollywood hospital dumps paraplegic on the street. - 12/23/2008 2:17:50 AM   
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The radio guy's name is (was?) Paul Harvey.

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