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RE: our very own charlotte - 12/24/2008 7:30:00 PM   
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Looking at her soul and yours, it is already clear to see who he did and didn't bless.


Wow, Michael, I have to say this is, in my opinion, pretty much the meanest thing I've ever seen written on CM.

As for the OP and this thread in general, it's interesting that Stephan and Charlotte have told us in a previous thread that she was working on this project, but there wasn't a lot of objection stated until people could actually see it.  I think when something is in the concept stage it doesn't have nearly the effect of reality (as in many cases). 

I didn't pay to see the whole video but I watched the snippets.  I got the feeling from Stephan and Charlotte's previous post about this project that they were both quite happy and proud of the work that was done.  While I personally would have concerns about what might happen in 20 years (thoughts and feelings change, offspring is born, jobs are applied for), this was an adult choice made by informed and smart people, and simply becomes part of who Charlotte is.  We've all done things we probably wish we didn't do and we all figure out a way to live with it.  We've all done things others said we shouldn't have done and yet we suffered no consequence.  It's my guess that Stephan and Charlotte, in all their smarts, probably already discussed the "what if's" and feel secure in the decision to have moved forward with this.  They don't come across as lost, or as idiots, or as misguided people.  That said, I trust their judgment and say Kudos to you, Charlotte, for a piece of work you are proud of, and Stephan you must surely be proud of her for doing so well with this.  :)


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RE: our very own charlotte - 12/24/2008 7:35:43 PM   
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*fast reply*
I enjoy good porn, especially good bdsm porn, as long as I don't turn it on and see my own daughter as the star.
I hope Charlotte enjoyed herself.  She looked great.  I also hope it doesn't bite her in the ass. 
Anytime someone does something like this, there will be consequences.  Some positive.  Some negative.

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RE: our very own charlotte - 12/24/2008 8:18:36 PM   
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My point? I already made it. I did not like seeing kittin or slaveboy getting roasted for finding this objectionable. Nor did I find the accusation, whether literal or "in essence" a fair one. Kittin neither implied nor insinuated that Charlotte was a whore. That's all.  

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RE: our very own charlotte - 12/24/2008 10:39:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
Looking at her soul and yours, it is already clear to see who he did and didn't bless.


Wow, Michael, I have to say this is, in my opinion, pretty much the meanest thing I've ever seen written on CM.



Why thank you! That is high praise in this thread.  I now return you to our regulary scheduled bashing of Charlotte and Stephann. 

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RE: our very own charlotte - 12/24/2008 11:39:22 PM   
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Awww thank you everyone for the congrats and the compliments! 

I don't feel the need to explain or excuse myself here.  I will say that I have had friends and family members express serious concern about my choices and when they presented their opinions as concern for my well-being, not as judgements I truly took them all to heart and considered and discussed them, as I continue to do with my family.  I completely understand why some people believe Master has made a bad choice for me and I respect their opinions when presented in a manner which can be respected. 

I will say that I only have 3 regrets in my life and all of them are things I chose NOT to do (shows I chose not to see actually.  )  I am fully aware that I may face consequences down the line and am completely willing to do so.

Again, thank you so much for all the kind (and concerned) words.  A whole thread about me?!  I have had a few other articles written about me in various places, have a thread devoted to myself on an adult industry forum and still a thread all about me on collarme makes me feel the most special. 

Warm wishes and happy holidays to all!

charlotte

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RE: our very own charlotte - 12/24/2008 11:43:22 PM   
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You really want to know what it's about, or have you got your earmuffs on, Bull?

It's about sloppy directing, and a lighting director that should be sent back to film school. Unlike others, I wasn't struck by the filmographic quality of this piece of video. It's also about the questionable decision a bloke took to send his chick to the meat market, and how it might affect her in the future. Would she have gone to the meat market had he not told her to? We'll never know, but I knows this for sure: we don't live in a forgiving society, and what happens to someone if they drop out (or are dropped by) the "master/slave" dynamic?

It's NOTHING to do with puritanism: that's just an excuse to try and vaporise those who disagree with the general consensus. Luscious, god bless her, probably never expected for her thread to turn out the way it did, but you know what? It's a good thing it did, because it shows that we can all disagree and remain civil. Right?


Hi folks,

Wow.  I can honestly say that while I was prepared for the possibility & eventuality, I've never really come across such a heated discussion of the life and career choices charlotte & I have made.  She's still reading the thread, and will respond in a few moments.  I'll offer my two cents.

First off, for those with compliments & criticisms, we're most grateful.  Contrary to popular misconceptions, it wasn't the almighty dollar that drew us into pornography (BDSM & otherwise.)  We enjoy taking photos (I shot the majority on her profile) and shooting videos as an expression of our personalities, artistic, and sexual interests, and it gives us great pleasure in knowing that others enjoy the work we can create, and intend to continue doing so for a good long time.  To offer some perspective, if we were just chasing the almighty buck, charlotte would probably be in law school right now; she already has her BA. 

Only a few years ago (as a number of folks know) I worked as an English teacher and a street musician in Santiago, Chile.  Teaching English and doing translations paid the rent, but it was my guitar and voice that put food on the table.  I liked teaching well enough, but my music was really a part of who I was and something I often did for free.  I certainly didn't have the same interest in teaching for free.  Shooting photos and video is something we enjoy doing, and the money it earns allows us to do it more often and share it with a larger audience.  Certainly, many people will believe that such endeavors don't quite qualify as 'art'; I would simply suggest that what they're really saying is that it's 'bad' art.  Personally, I have a strong dislike of Van Gogh (though I do love Monet and Goya) and while I can concede Van Gogh's impact on art, I think his artwork is 'bad' because it doesn't inspire anything in me. 

The adult entertainment industry is probably one of the least understood industries, because there are so many conflicting social expectations of it.  I can think of few legal professions that arouse such a fervor, based on so many misconceptions.  Yes, there are women who are pushed into porn when it's not really what they want.  Ask yourself next time you stay in a hotel how badly you think the housekeeper really wants to be at a hotel at 6am washing sheets, vacuuming floors, and scrubbing toilets; many people do work they don't really want to do.  Yet sex is a commodity, and I find the irony most clearly in evident, because that commodity's value only rises when it's demonized by society. 

slaveboy makes a commonly expressed point about someone's future choices being severely limited by her present choices to work as an adult actress.  He's correct, that those job prospect may be limited; but the other side of the coin is mentioned later, that many other job opportunities can also open up, and not simply as an adult actress.  Since moving to Los Angeles, we've had incredibly good fortune in meeting some amazing individuals, and we both are embarking on incredibly satisfying and lucrative careers.  The reality is, that while the American dream is based on the possibility of an individual maybe becoming a doctor, lawyer, or even a senator, the reality is most people don't.  She could just have easily become an accountant and spent the rest of her life living a normal, private life.  Yet, if that had been her true desire, she (as an intelligent, capable adult) would have done just that.  If I had believed that's what would have made her happy, then I would have encouraged just that.  The decision to become an adult film actress was ultimately hers.  This isn't to say I had and have no role; on the contrary, mine is one of support and encouragement, to help present her options, and encourage her to make decision for herself that will ultimately make her happy.  She never chose to enter pornography 'just to please her man' as KittenSol suggested.

Yet, ultimately it won't be the encouragement or criticisms of people we've never met that will guide our decisions.  When we lock the door at night, she's my slave.  I love the woman she is, and (as we sit here together, discussing something important to us both on Christmas Eve) I can honestly say that I am proud of who she is, and the work she does.  As her owner, as her partner, I can simply offer that she doesn't have to make anyone... anyone... happy with her decisions, except herself. 

Merry Christmas,

Stephan



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RE: our very own charlotte - 12/25/2008 12:04:46 AM   
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RE: our very own charlotte - 12/25/2008 12:07:08 AM   
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Awesome post, Stephan.  As always, you both deal with tough subjects with dignity and class.

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RE: our very own charlotte - 12/25/2008 12:09:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

Awesome post, Stephan.  As always, you both deal with tough subjects with dignity and class.


Go ahead, make a grown man blush.  See if I care.

Stephan


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RE: our very own charlotte - 12/25/2008 6:42:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

Awesome post, Stephan.  As always, you both deal with tough subjects with dignity and class.


I second this.

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RE: our very own charlotte - 12/25/2008 6:44:00 AM   
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RE: our very own charlotte - 12/25/2008 7:47:26 AM   
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*standing ovation*

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RE: our very own charlotte - 12/25/2008 7:59:28 AM   
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Totaly agree. 

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RE: our very own charlotte - 12/25/2008 9:36:58 AM   
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Charlotte should be very proud of herself for a job well done and for bazing her own trail.
I think all can admire someone who did their own thing without apology or shame.

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RE: our very own charlotte - 12/25/2008 9:42:17 AM   
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Awww thank you everyone for the congrats and the compliments! 

I don't feel the need to explain or excuse myself here.  I will say that I have had friends and family members express serious concern about my choices and when they presented their opinions as concern for my well-being, not as judgements I truly took them all to heart and considered and discussed them, as I continue to do with my family.  I completely understand why some people believe Master has made a bad choice for me and I respect their opinions when presented in a manner which can be respected. 

I will say that I only have 3 regrets in my life and all of them are things I chose NOT to do (shows I chose not to see actually.  )  I am fully aware that I may face consequences down the line and am completely willing to do so.

Again, thank you so much for all the kind (and concerned) words.  A whole thread about me?!  I have had a few other articles written about me in various places, have a thread devoted to myself on an adult industry forum and still a thread all about me on collarme makes me feel the most special. 

Warm wishes and happy holidays to all!

charlotte


Her eloquence and gracious proves that she has been raised and turned out alright. Her maturity is by far light years ahead of many here. I am sure she will handle her future with the dignity and intelligence that she has demonstrated here.

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RE: our very own charlotte - 12/25/2008 10:18:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

quote:

ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
Looking at her soul and yours, it is already clear to see who he did and didn't bless.


Wow, Michael, I have to say this is, in my opinion, pretty much the meanest thing I've ever seen written on CM.



Why thank you! That is high praise in this thread.  I now return you to our regulary scheduled bashing of Charlotte and Stephann. 


respectfully, but I didnt see any bashing by anyone who expressed a contrary opinion. I did see some bashing from you though.

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RE: our very own charlotte - 12/25/2008 11:36:31 AM   
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respectfully, but I didnt see any bashing by anyone who expressed a contrary opinion. I did see some bashing from you though.


One's person's frank expression of opinion is another person's bash.  It's quite subjective. 

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RE: our very own charlotte - 12/25/2008 11:49:53 AM   
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respectfully, but I didnt see any bashing by anyone who expressed a contrary opinion. I did see some bashing from you though.


One's person's frank expression of opinion is another person's bash.  It's quite subjective. 


When it is name calling and a direct insult I would tend to disagree though in theory you are correct.

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RE: our very own charlotte - 12/25/2008 12:28:10 PM   
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Happy Christmas, XI :)


Erm...sweetie, you're not in the UK just yet...you can't pull a Madonna on us, wishing folks "happy" Christmases.

Why, that's simply un-American!  Now in the U-S- of -A we say Merry Christmas dammit!!!!

gal....don't make me get the switch!!!!


can she say like my ex does?  he text messaged me "Merry Ho-Ho's!" 

kitten

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RE: our very own charlotte - 12/25/2008 12:31:36 PM   
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Yes, there are women who are pushed into porn when it's not really what they want.  Ask yourself next time you stay in a hotel how badly you think the housekeeper really wants to be at a hotel at 6am washing sheets, vacuuming floors, and scrubbing toilets; many people do work they don't really want to do.


he knocked that one right out of the park.


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