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RE: Family - 12/25/2008 2:29:16 AM   
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I know it's frustrating and I wish I had something more productive or wise to say, but I stand by my opinion that you should go.  Sometimes I think it's better to simply overlook someone's faults even when they're hurtful.  It's hard to actually change a person's view, but you can win the small victory by at least standing firm in your beliefs: the core family is what matters.  It doesn't even matter how they view it.  It's how you view it that's important.

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RE: Family - 12/25/2008 2:29:40 AM   
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No, I don't dislike her based on her looks and background... I dislike her because of the way she acts and the way she treats me. 



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RE: Family - 12/25/2008 2:34:41 AM   
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Maybe she feels this vibe you're telling us about, and is treating you the same way you treat/feel about her.  
Just my .02 for your consideration, though I know it's much more fun to think oneself a victim of everyone's evil ways.    M

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RE: Family - 12/25/2008 2:37:41 AM   
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Hun, It's Christmas.  Treat this one as tho it's the last one you will have with your family.  Next year, plan ahead.  buy a couple of extra gifts, address them to you bf from your mom and dad and invite him yourself.  that's what I'd do :)

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RE: Family - 12/25/2008 3:22:52 AM   
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i have NEVER even given a hint of disliking her.  i pretend pretty nicely most of the time, because when i see her, it's in passing...

i do most all the polite things, like say hi, and invite her to eat the food that i've cooked if i'm cooking dinner when she's around...

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RE: Family - 12/25/2008 3:50:02 AM   
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Usually girl friends join the family of their husbands, do not they? So why are you not celebrating Christmass with your mate and his family? She is marrying in, whereas you are marrying out.
 
Furthermore, it is for your parents to decide whom to invite into their house.
 
You are wasting your energy on this issue, that much is obvious. Get over it.

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RE: Family - 12/25/2008 3:52:37 AM   
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Go and don't let the situation ruin your day.  I just got back from Christmas Eve dinner at my Mom's (ex-stepmother's) where my sister was in attendance.  My sister is an expert user of people, and her actions have resulted in immeasurable damage to many peoples' lives, both inside and outside the family. I've made the decision to cut her out of my life in order to preserve my sanity.  I was dreading tonight, but I refuse to allow her childishness and selfish attitude dictate my actions or to rob me of time spent with my family.  I had a good time tonight despite it all and am very glad I went.  As someone said earlier, you never know if this will turn out to be someone's last Christmas. 

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RE: Family - 12/25/2008 4:25:07 AM   
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He's right, you know.  You dislike this girl based on her looks and her background?  Stop and take a minute out.  Those are the very reasons you've said your parents don't like your boyfriend(s).  Hypocrite much?


"Hypocrite" is too strong.  LMM has been brought up with a set of values and has internalized them.

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RE: Family - 12/25/2008 4:26:48 AM   
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True.  How about the posting is hypocritical?

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RE: Family - 12/25/2008 7:56:43 AM   
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Just curious..have YOU ever asked your mother directly if you could bring a boyfriend to the celebration? Your brother may have done just that.

I don't see how you could blame the girlfriend..she did not invite herself. To me it would be an insult if she refused to go once invited.

I would hate to see your dislike for this girl keep you away from your family at Christmas...BUT you must realize this is your Mothers celebration not yours..The time will come, sad but so, when it is you who will decide who comes or not.

Please don't ruin Christmas for everyone else...believe me in the eyes of your family you will look spoiled and infantile if you make a scene over this.

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RE: Family - 12/25/2008 8:23:41 AM   
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At any rate, I'm more than upset. I don't wish to attend Christmas with her there because I believe it to be unacceptable for her to attend. My family won't make the decision to uninclude her in our holiday get togethers so that I will attend, and I feel very much that they should.

To me, she has NO business at all being at our gathering. She has her own family (which is where she spent Christmas Eve) and she needs to spend Christmas with them.


It seems to me that there are two entirely different issues that are each making you angry, but you are combining them into a single issue, and even though they are related, they don't really fit into the same package.

First of all, it seems clear that your parents do not treat you fairly in comparison to your brother. It seems pretty obvious that there's a long history of that, and you are understandably hurt, frustrated, and resentful about it. It further sounds like you have some issues with your brother, but it's not clear to me whether those issues are separate from your issues with your parents, or whether perhaps they're an expression of your resentment toward your parents for the way they treat the two of you differently. Perhaps a little bit of both...?

And second, you clearly don't like his new GF, and it sounds like you have some pretty good reasons. But those reasons have nothing to do with the larger issues you have with your parents, which obviously started years before your brother even met her. Right?

But when you talk about what's making you angry, you draw no distinction between these two very separate issues. When I read your posts in this thread, I see a lot of internal contradictions that suggest to me some degree of confusion, and I think that's because on some level, you yourself are sensing that as long as you try to deal with these two separate issues as one issue, you'll never solve either of them. And you just keep going around in circles inside your head, getting more and more frustrated and less and less solved.

As many reasons as you have for disliking her, and as good as those reasons may be, it's not her fault your parents have been treating you unfairly for years. You can be angry at her for being a snot, and deal with that issue by addressing your relationship with her, but being angry at her for things that are entirely beyond her control will get you no closer to addressing the legitimate reasons you have for disliking her.

And as many reasons as you have for being angry at your parents, it's not their fault your brother is dating a snot.You can be angry that they've treated you unfairly (and are still doing  so), and deal with that issue by addressing your  relationship with them, but being angry at them because your brother's girlfriend is a snot will get you no closer to addressing the real issues you have with your parents.

If you try to address them both as a single issue, all of the other parties - the parents, the brother, the GF - are going to have a hard time understanding where you're coming from, which will do two things - first, it'll give 'em a convenient excuse to blow the whole thing off and blame it on you being unreasonable, and second, it'll make them angry at you and probably even more determined to keep doing whatever it is that's pissing you off. Neither of which is a result you're looking for, right?

So start by asking yourself two questions. First of all, what are the results you're looking for? What outcome do you want? I suspect you'll come up with two separate answers, one being that you want to feel treated more fairly by your parents, and the other being that you want to feel less irritated by your brother's GF. And then, once you've got that clarified in your mind, ask yourself, "is the way I'm handling this likely to lead to those results?" I think you'll find that the answer is "no."

Then ask yourself, two more questions - "are these two outcomes achievable;" and to whatever degree the answer to that is "yes," ask yourself "what do I need to do differently to achieve those different outcomes?" I think that as you work through this part, you'll probably realize that some of the outcomes you're looking for are beyond your control. You have at least a fair amount of control over one issue (the relationship with your parents), and very little control over the other issue (GF is hard to get along with). And there are some issues you have absolutely no control over at all, such as the fact that GF is fundamentally a snot, the way she behaves, and whether or not she accepts your parent's invitation to come to Christmas dinner.

I think you'll realize that at the end of the day, no matter how much of a communications breakthrough you're able to make with your parents, there's going to be a point where you just have to accept that it is what it is, and make a decision on how much of it you're comfortable accepting. I'm guessing she'll always be a snot, she'll always be annoying and (in your opinion) at least somewhat boorish, and you'll probably never like her. She'll also probably always be at your family gatherings, because I think it's highly unlikely your parents are going to agree to exclude her simply because you don't want her there. So you have to ask yourself, "am I comfortable attending family gatherings if she's there? " If the answer to that is "no," then you need to find something else to do on your holidays. But if you can make some progress in getting your parents to treat you more fairly in regards to including your own significant others in the family get-togethers, i think you'll find that a lot of the generalized anger you're feeling toward the overall situation will suddenly feel a lot better, and you'll be much more easily able to tolerate having the little twit around.

So. However you decide to handle it, and however it works, I wish you the best of luck. And happy holidays to you!




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RE: Family - 12/25/2008 8:34:27 AM   
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Having lived enough life to know that everything can change without a moment's notice...and having had people that I love dearly be here one minute and gone the next....there is no one or no thing that could keep me from celebrating the Holidays with them. I'm sorry but your post did come off as a huge temper tantrum to me.

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RE: Family - 12/25/2008 9:02:33 AM   
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quote:

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I do blame her.  She shouldn't have accepted the invitation.  At 3 months into a new relationship, I wouldn't have.  I think she's stupid to even be willing to go. 

Why shouldn't she have accepted the invitation ? Just because you would not, does not mean others wouldn't. I, for one, have and would again. For me, it's the polite and respectful thing to do. Respectful to my partner and respectful to his family.


She's an outrageous demanding bitch to begin with, without infiltrating my family's christmas gathering... this just makes it worse...
 
Apparently your brother doesn't see it that way. OR : he likes outrageous demanding bitches. They need love too, ya know. His choice, not yours.


After 3 months, she just walks in to my parent's house... doesn't knock... I didn't let myself in to my boyfriend's parent's house even after 4 years.. not even once.

Apparently this is not a problem for your brother or your parents, just you.

I do this too. And expect other to just walk into my house when visiting. It's just how I ride. As a little girl, I grew up in a place where no one, not even children, called first or knocked on a door, you just walked in and said hello. If some one was busy or didn't want you there, they would ask you to come back later. I have chosen to incorporate that into my adult life and how I handle myself and what I expect of others.

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Is this really about your brothers girlfriend or is it about your feelings being hurt. Re:  your BF not being invited and you not being treated the same ?
If your BF is/was not invited, why did you not ask your parents if you could have him join the festivites ?

It's Christmas, Peace on Earth Good Will to All Men.... and even the outrageous demanding bitches. It seems you are losing the spirit of the day in your temper tantrum.

Go or don't go, your choice. But whining that one person is going to ruin your entire day and your Christmas traditions is nonsense. Christmas, or any holiday is what you make it. I suspect many of us have an in law or SO of a family member we don't care for. If you don't go, you will only be denying yourself. The family celebration will go on, folks will have fun and be merry and you can sit alone miserable.
Can you not be cordial to this woman for a few hours one day of the year ? For the sake of your brother and your family ? 

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RE: Family - 12/25/2008 9:03:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I'm sorry but your post did come off as a huge temper tantrum to me.

I second that!

I have lived all my life with one family member or another not speaking to someone else and trying to dictate how others should relate to them.  Never, ever again.

The OP's post,( like the other one where she decided what the limits should be between her boyfriend and his ex wife and kids) is childish and self centered.  She is projecting all her insecurities onto her brother and his gf.
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ORIGINAL: LittleMissModern

I do blame her.  She shouldn't have accepted the invitation.  At 3 months into a new relationship, I wouldn't have. 

Seriously?? Who are you to say whether she should have accepted the invitation?  You believe it would be unacceptable for her to attend?? 

Jealous much?  At 22 years old you are still way into ME ME ME ME mode.  When you grow up a bit, you maycome to realize that it ain't all about you and what YOU would do.

How about instead of begrudging your brother for what he has, you work on getting what it is you need?  Don't worry about your brother. Worry about you.

The issue is that you want your boyfriend to come to Christmas.  So deal with that the direct and grown up way.  Not with this passive aggressive shit.





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RE: Family - 12/25/2008 9:09:35 AM   
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My brother's girlfriend was invited to Christmas this year, and my mom made her a blanket. I'm furious. They've only been dating for three months, and I think it's absurd that she should be a part of our holiday.

So don't go.  Your mom can invite whomever she pleases--if you don't like it, tell dear old mum to piss up a rope and don't go.

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Basically, what it comes down to is I'm their daughter, and I've been attending this Christmas gathering since I came into this world.  I feel like if my opinion is that she shouldn't be there, then that needs to happen.  It's my family not hers.

Newsflash:  it's your mom's party, not yours.  She'll invite the skank next door if it floats her boat.  Deal with it or don't.

Newsflash #2:  You don't own your family, you're just stuck with them. 


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RE: Family - 12/25/2008 9:37:15 AM   
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KISS theory. Take him with you. It is doubtful you'll be turned away at the door. Announce that you can't stay long because you have other plans but thought you would at least stop by and make an appearance. Find a couple of good jokes, socialize and then leave early, and hope they miss you.

Leave before eating, or show up after they eat. You are showing them that you set your own priorities, just like they do. Stay like an hour max. Say you have plans, even if those plans are just going back to your place for some wine and tickle, whatever, or even going out to eat.

Make the rounds, get your hugs, and do basically what they teach entertainers to do, leave them wanting more. I am stressing be as nice as possible and make sure he is as well. When you leave early, let them discuss why. Let the host(ess) find out that you have a party as much for the guests as you do for yourself.

In other words, forget convincing anyone of anything, but you can set the wheels in motion for them to convince themselves.

If you can arrainge it (do not lie), say "We already made plans to go see his family, ha, see if they approve of me, now the shoe is on the other foot". Something like that. Whatever you do, make some kind of plan no matter what it is.

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RE: Family - 12/25/2008 10:43:02 AM   
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Parents treat their children differently.  I know; I'm the oldest.  My little brother got away with things that I would have been beaten for.  It's just the way it is.  I stopped getting pissed off about it years ago. 

Honestly, I've never asked if my girlfriends could come to a family thing.   I would just tell my family she'd be with me.  I never got any flak for it, but my family is pretty cool about things like that.  We've always welcomed people in our home.  When I was a kid, my friends always knew they could come to our house to eat.  My mother was just that way, and likewise she'd never turn away a girlfriend or even a friend of mine from a family event.  If I were you, I would have just told your family you were bringing your boyfriend.  Don't get upset and fall into the sibling jealousy thing.  Parents always treat their kids differently, because you are different.  Don't worry about it. 

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RE: Family - 12/25/2008 10:47:28 AM   
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This is a ridicuous. Its petty and some need to grow up. Too much tit for tat.

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RE: Family - 12/25/2008 11:08:29 AM   
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Wah wah wah, With your attitude I'd uninvite YOU, and let the girlfriend and every one else take your share of the food and the presents.  With this post and your last one about your partner and his x wife, You're portraying yourself to be an incredibly spoiled brat who should be spanked and sent to bed, not given presents.
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ORIGINAL: LittleMissModern

My brother's girlfriend was invited to Christmas this year, and my mom made her a blanket.  I'm furious.  They've only been dating for three months, and I think it's absurd that she should be a part of our holiday. 

Granted they don't know the specifics about my relationship (addressed in another post)-- but they do know I'm seeing someone, and they've met him. He was not invited this year or last, nor was a gift given to him from them.  As a matter of fact, they didn't even let me give him any of the cookies we baked. 

Prior to that, I dated a guy for 4 years, and he was never invited to Christmas either. 

At any rate, I'm more than upset.  I don't wish to attend Christmas with her there  because I believe it to be unacceptable for her to attend.  My family won't make the decision to uninclude her in our holiday get togethers so that I will attend, and I feel very much that they should.

To me, she has NO business at all being at our gathering.  She has her own family (which is where she spent Christmas Eve) and she needs to spend Christmas with them.   

Basically, what it comes down to is I'm their daughter, and I've been attending this Christmas gathering since I came into this world.  I feel like if my opinion is that she shouldn't be there, then that needs to happen.  It's my family not hers. 

Now, if they had been together for a year, or so, and were serious, and going somewhere, I would be more accepting of her attending our Christmas.  BUT, they've told me that they don't even want to MEET someone until I've been dating them 6 months, let alone bring them to Christmas if that should fall in that time frame.  So why is that relationship not being held to the same set of rules?

I don't know how to deal with this, whether to go back to their house tonight (I left after the argument started), or whether to attend Christmas at all. 

They know that basically, if they want me there, then she needs to not be there.  If they choose to have here there, then that just says that they'd rather have her there than me. 

If I don't go to Christmas there, then I just get to sit alone in my apartment all day.  I'm not entirely sure what to do. 



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RE: Family - 12/25/2008 11:15:42 AM   
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Rule, Maybe it'd be different if Daddy and I married, but I do not ever forsee going to his families for X mas, giving that I can't stand his sister in law, and she hates me.  And I'd be very uncomfortable being Daddies guest when his sister in law hates me* and yes I know for a fact she hates me, she's said it to others and in front of Daddy*

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ORIGINAL: Rule

Usually girl friends join the family of their husbands, do not they? So why are you not celebrating Christmass with your mate and his family? She is marrying in, whereas you are marrying out.
 
Furthermore, it is for your parents to decide whom to invite into their house.
 
You are wasting your energy on this issue, that much is obvious. Get over it.

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