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colouredin -> RE: Why I Carry A Gun (12/28/2008 7:07:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
I didn't think the people over there had a say in the matter...didn't they get their guns taken away?


Its not one of our 'rights' to carry a gun no. But that isnt really the point, there is more gun crime in the US because more people in the US have guns. Im bloody glad we 'dont have a say in the matter' i would hate to think every tom dick and harry i met in the street could have a gun. There are some right prats in the world.




sirsholly -> RE: Why I Carry A Gun (12/28/2008 7:08:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

~FR....just a little info that may clear some confusion....this thread was originally posted in the "humor "section. 
It's since been moved to Off Topic, so some of the earlier posts reflect the fact that it wasn't funny...


thanks Tulip...now it makes sense!!![:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]




Owner59 -> RE: Why I Carry A Gun (12/28/2008 7:09:31 AM)

Knives for Guns




thishereboi -> RE: Why I Carry A Gun (12/28/2008 7:10:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
I didn't think the people over there had a say in the matter...didn't they get their guns taken away?


Its not one of our 'rights' to carry a gun no. But that isnt really the point, there is more gun crime in the US because more people in the US have guns. Im bloody glad we 'dont have a say in the matter' i would hate to think every tom dick and harry i met in the street could have a gun. There are some right prats in the world.


Well then it's a really good thing you live there and I live here. I like the fact that I can own a gun and protect myself. There are some right prats in the world.




Raechard -> RE: Why I Carry A Gun (12/28/2008 7:12:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid. I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.         
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I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.         

Three armed thugs when was the last time you heard that happening, sounds a bit paranoid to me. Most people settle for one armed thug. I doubt if you were facing three armed thugs you’d have a chance in hell anyway. Gun or no gun.
 
You may know why you carry a gun but I doubt you know for sure why your next door neighbour does.




thishereboi -> RE: Why I Carry A Gun (12/28/2008 7:13:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Knives for Guns


That was great....thanks for sharing.

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TheHeretic -> RE: Why I Carry A Gun (12/28/2008 7:42:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Raechard

Three armed thugs when was the last time you heard that happening,



       I guess it was a little over a month ago, Rae, in my part of the world.  Three young thugs decided to jump an older man who was out for his regular evening walk (8 p.m.).  They knocked him to the ground and started kicking him.  Unlike their previous 12 victims, he was a retired deputy sheriff who carried, and he put a bullet into one of them.  I'd be happy to link, but my local paper only archives for a week.  Pity.  The completly conflicting alibis from the parents of one of the thugs WOULD belong in humor.

      




Aneirin -> RE: Why I Carry A Gun (12/28/2008 7:47:21 AM)

In Britain as you may be aware, we do not have the right to carry guns, and very few are even licensed to have them, such is our level of disarmament, but that does not mean one cannot defend themselves. If confronted with someone toting a gun, though this is extremely rare, you just do what they say, and perhaps they will go away, let them maintain their control and that way they will feel in control and less likely to press that trigger. It is interesting that when people pull triggers it is often that is the last thing they actually want to do, they do it because they have focused so much attention into the fact they have a gun, and it is an automatic response when things move out of their view of the control they think they have by holding the thing. They pull triggers because they are scared.

Even knives, those that think they have control by pointing a little four inch piece of pointy steel, they focus all their self into the pointy object, forgetting about the rest of their body, (and how vunerable it it is ). Often it is a knife wielder forgets that most people's legs are longer and more powerful than anyone's arm, sharp steel tipped or not. For me this was made very clear when some little teenage 'herbert' tried to make me hand over cash one night on the way to the local estate shops, his mum's kitchen knife out in front of him as though he was a sabre tooth tiger. Before I could even think of his age or the pathetic little blade he held, he got a boot full bore straight into the V between his legs, he went down like a sack of shit, the focus of his strength, a totally useless object. For that, the little herbert lost his mum's kitchen knife and crawled home or wherever he went trying to exticate his balls from his throat.

But we aren't allowed to carry knives in the UK, though I do understand many do carry them for 'protection' against knife wielders, knives being a common problem with the younger people, some of whom fear the law not and think nothing of using knives against others. So what can we do to protect ourselves in an ever increasing lawless society in some areas ? The police are largely useless, they either being unavailable due to manning levels or just plain scared themselves, so as to just not be around. That is very common, and I have experienced it, an incident, and the police turned up the next day, by which time the damage is done.

I used to believe in law and order, the role of the police and the judiciary system, the civility of people, but a few experiences have changed that, I now know, when shit hits the fan, you are largely on your own, and on your own you have to deal with the situation. Thankfully nothing has happened since I have wised up, but I carry chains as part of my daily attire, though they are in reality key and wallet chains I made, they are a little bit longer, heavier and better made than the average key chain, bronze byzantium chain mail, patinated with ammonia for decoration. At one time, these chains served a dual purpose, one of those purposes being, at least something to equal the odds if confronted again, even if to an assailant they serve as knowledge that this won't be an easy hijack, I was armed and prepared to fight back. How effective the chains are, I have no idea, but I am depending on the knowledge most robbers do what they do because they believe they can by virtue of them being armed and the victim not, equal the odds, most would think otherwise of their actions.

But now I don't think of my chains as weapons, or even potential weapons, for I have learned how to live without running the possibility of being threatened, I am just wise to where it is not wise to go when it is not wise to do so, why invite trouble, when it can so easily be avoided, and this does not mean one lives a shadow of a life by limiting oneself, just be wise.




LeMis -> RE: Why I Carry A Gun (12/28/2008 7:53:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Guns won`t keep you from getting shot.

A bullet proof vest might,...might keep you from getting shot.

IMO,people want to carry a gun to feel bigger,badder,more powerful.Invincible.

Thinking,"I can handle anyone ,any trouble" they will eventually find it.




A bullet proof vest might possibly keep you from getting hurt, but not getting shot. 




sirsholly -> RE: Why I Carry A Gun (12/28/2008 7:53:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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ORIGINAL: DesertRat

Well, I'm armed (possessing but not carrying), but to me the OP is just 12 ways of saying "I'm scared!"
So? Do you think i carried a gun because i was fearless?

ETA...fear, to whatever degree, is why most of us are armed. You too, DesertRat.


So the majority of Britain and im pretty sure the rest of europe must be fearless.

not at all. I have the privledge to carry a gun (please note...i do not have the RIGHT. If it was a right to CCW then a license would not have been needed) and the position i was in dictated it was wise to do so.
If you do not CCW it does not mean you are fearless...it just means you are following the law.




Raechard -> RE: Why I Carry A Gun (12/28/2008 8:02:57 AM)



Well if you say it happened then I believe you but that would be a rarity. This city isn't the safest place in the world but we have to just live with the fact bad things happen and might happen to us. One of the reasons it's not the safest place in the world is paranoid teenagers think they are going to be the next victim of violence so they carry weapons. How can you convince someone they don't need a weapon if you make it legal for some people to carry them?

Either world isn’t perfect to solve the problem you either arm everyone or no one: these are the two solutions that have been proposed, as these various debates we’ve had here have concluded. In a world where everyone is armed there will always be those that aren’t and are vulnerable likewise in a world  with no guns someone will have a gun they shouldn’t have. The only real difference I see between the two proposed solutions is with one convictions for murder or manslaughter are easier to prosecute as intent doesn’t really come into it if you killed someone with a gun.




shannie -> RE: Why I Carry A Gun (12/28/2008 8:18:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Raechard

Well if you say it happened then I believe you but that would be a rarity. This city isn't the safest place in the world but we have to just live with the fact bad things happen and might happen to us. One of the reasons it's not the safest place in the world is paranoid teenagers think they are going to be the next victim of violence so they carry weapons. How can you convince someone they don't need a weapon if you make it legal for some people to carry them?

Either world isn’t perfect to solve the problem you either arm everyone or no one: these are the two solutions that have been proposed, as these various debates we’ve had here have concluded. In a world where everyone is armed there will always be those that aren’t and are vulnerable likewise in a world  with no guns someone will have a gun they shouldn’t have. The only real difference I see between the two proposed solutions is with one convictions for murder or manslaughter are easier to prosecute as intent doesn’t really come into it if you killed someone with a gun.



There's a third "world" too, from which "the right to bear arms" was born in this country (however limited that right has now become).  In that world -- all the unthinkable atrocities, that have marred the human existence on a cosmic scale, began with the disarming of the citizenry.






sirsholly -> RE: Why I Carry A Gun (12/28/2008 8:22:23 AM)

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to solve the problem you either arm everyone or no one


or we can all wear turbo wings and flap our way out of flying bullets.

neither statement will ever happen.




Raechard -> RE: Why I Carry A Gun (12/28/2008 8:23:44 AM)

You'd have to give examples of these 'unthinkable atrocities' that have occurred from not having guns for me to answer that.




Raechard -> RE: Why I Carry A Gun (12/28/2008 8:28:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly
or we can all wear turbo wings and flap our way out of flying bullets.

If the aim is to avoid flying bullets you'll need something other than a gun.
 
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neither statement will ever happen.

I said these were the proposed perfect worlds from previous samey debates not how realistic they are.




colouredin -> RE: Why I Carry A Gun (12/28/2008 8:37:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
Well then it's a really good thing you live there and I live here. I like the fact that I can own a gun and protect myself. There are some right prats in the world.


And I cant think of a time in mine, my family or my friends lives where they needed a gun to protect themselves, what is it that you are protecting yourself against?




sirsholly -> RE: Why I Carry A Gun (12/28/2008 8:40:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi
Well then it's a really good thing you live there and I live here. I like the fact that I can own a gun and protect myself. There are some right prats in the world.


And I cant think of a time in mine, my family or my friends lives where they needed a gun to protect themselves, what is it that you are protecting yourself against?

Colouredin, consider yourself blessed to be able to say that. Others are not so lucky.





Lorr47 -> RE: Why I Carry A Gun (12/28/2008 8:51:11 AM)

How about when a fellow broke into my house higher than a kite brandishing a knife with only my wife and daughter at home?

How about when a group of fellows broke into my brother's house and ultimately poked out his eye with a broom stick?

We had never met either group before.  The luck of the draw.

Do you live in a vacuum?  Want more examples from personal experience?




Termyn8or -> RE: Why I Carry A Gun (12/28/2008 8:55:10 AM)

"You may know why you carry a gun but I doubt you know for sure why your next door neighbour does. "

Interesting that someone else sees that. As long as we only care about our rights - those that we want to exercise anyway, we have no rights. Rights are achieved and maintained by solidarity, and as ironic as it may sound in text, that also means our solidarity for our rights to individuality. Hardly resolvable for most people out there in the world today.

Thus the state of the world today.

T




MadRabbit -> RE: Why I Carry A Gun (12/28/2008 9:03:40 AM)

Wow...thank god for colouredin.

I was afraid I was going to have to read two pages of "This is stupid" posts with no real intellectual value to them at all.

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

But that isnt really the point, there is more gun crime in the US because more people in the US have guns.


I disagree. If there was a correlation between guns and gun crime, then Canada should be off the charts, but they aren't. They have more guns and statistically less gun crime.

If you ask me, I would say that the US has a culture where violence is just ingrained into it and forcing people to acquire weapons via illegial means isn't going to change that.

Because we "want" guns and when people really "want" something and have the will to get it, there isn't a whole lot a government can do about it, particularly something that is as common as a car battery or a Hannah Montana CD at Walmart.

I understand the ideal behind it and I understand the arguments, but looking at the issue pragmatically, it's just not realistic.

Let's look at the history of banning items that are in mass production...

Ban on Alchocol? FAILURE
Illegilization of Marijuana? FAILURE
War on Drugs? FAILURE

In the end, it came down to the same thing. The people who really wanted to drink found a way to drink and those who didn't didn't drink. The people who really want to smoke pot or crack find a way to do both and the people who don't don't.

With more or less 50 million guns being produced in the U.S and worldwide year round, the people who want to use guns for gun crime will have them and people who want to protect themselves won't.

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ORIGINAL: colouredin
And I cant think of a time in mine, my family or my friends lives where they needed a gun to protect themselves, what is it that you are protecting yourself against?


I've yet to be in a car accident. I think that's a poor argument for not wearing my seat belt.




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