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Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/28/2008 11:57:43 PM   
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Something very unusual happened that caused an abrupt end to my most recent relationship. I'm trying to figure out what might have gone wrong and so am looking for input. I know that this is all coming from my point of view but I will try to give all the information I can think of.

We've only been dating about 6 months. She's about 10 years younger than me, (28/18) still in college, so we've been taking it slow. She's definitely a "daddy's girl" sub but about 2 months ago she came to me saying she wanted to be more of a "slave" (her words): for her this meant more rules, more control, more service, etc. She said she wanted this because she wanted to be completely and totally owned and controlled by me. We talked about this a lot and she really wanted to move towards 24/7, live with me, and everything.

I didn't want her to make that big a jump as far as living with me because I thought it was too soon but that we could start her training as a slave even if she wasn't living with me. I wanted to take things slowly anyway to make sure. I was concerned that she may have gotten enamored with the concept of being a slave from me talking about past D/s relationships and that she wanted to somehow "out-do" all of them by going even further than they did. Mostly because she kept saying things like "I want to be the best." She's very competitive and possessive in that regard.

She seemed happy though. She loved being controlled, even almost to the point of micro-managed (but not quite as I don't have the energy to do that). I think the hardest part for her was that she couldn't call me "daddy" anymore while she was being "trained' I took that away so she would have to earn it back and even though she did a fair bit of complaining, she was well on her to earning it back.

She expressed a desire to have a collar, something she could wear all the time, something very obviously a collar too. So since things were going so well, I decided that I would get her one for Christmas. We also planned a trip together so we could spend some quality one-on-one time together for an extended period of time. It was going to be a week in Pittsburgh which is near where she's from. She loved the idea of being able to spend a week together 24/7 and we were both really excited.

The plan was that she would go up to visit part of her family for Christmas then this past Saturday I was going to fly to Pittsburgh, she would drive there (a little less than an hour for her) and meet me there. Since she had a car there and knew the area she would pick me up from the airport and we'd spend the week together in Pittsburgh in an extended stay hotel. We made these plans about 2 months ago (if it's important, we made the plans before she expressed her desire to be more of a slave).

A week before she was supposed to go home for Christmas, she had exams and she was very stressed. She takes her school work very seriously, studies very hard, and so during exams she was almost overworking herself. Normally we talk, chat, or see, each other every day without fail but when she started exams, she broke this habit. I got really upset with her about this and it almost turned into an argument but before it did, I recognized that she was just stressed about her exams so I told her that, she thanked me for understanding and asked me to just bare with her until she could get past the exams. That was pretty much the end of it, we talked a couple of times during exam week before she went home. I thought things were okay.

But then she completely cut off communication. I was supposed to see her or talk to her just before she went home but she never answered my calls and she never seemed to be at her place and then of course she was gone. She never called or answered my calls when she was at home visiting her family. Most importantly though, she was supposed to call me the Friday after Christmas to confirm that she was picking me up from the airport on Saturday.This was just to make sure that nothing last minute had interfered with our plans. She didn't call, text, or answer my calls to her. It was like she dropped off the planet.

I decided not to fly to Pittsburgh on Saturday. I didn't want to end up basically stranded in someplace unfamiliar if she didn't show up. I guess I could have rented a car or gotten a taxi, but I wasn't planning the trip because I wanted to visit Pittsburgh, it was to spend time with her, an she didn't seem to be part of that plan anymore. I figured if I was wrong, she would call and I could always catch a later flight or one the next day. But she never called, still hasn't answered my calls or anything.

I keep replaying the past couple of weeks through my head. The only thing that happened was that "sort-of" argument we had when she was stressing over exams, but that didn't even really turn into an argument. We've had arguments before, that didn't even qualify. I don't understand what caused her to just cut off all communication and basically just end things with no explanation. I've never had something like this happen before.

I tried to put down everything I thought was relevant without going into a play by play detail of every aspect of our relationship. But as I read over it, I don't feel like I really gave that much information. Just a lot of bluster. All I can say is, she seemed happy. I asked her at one point within the past few weeks if this was still what she wanted and she gave me a completely unhesitant "yes!"

So if you anyone can think of something I haven't thought of or maybe even just ask a question that I didn't think to ask her or ask myself, that would be helpful. It's not about getting her back. Obviously that won't happen. It's more about, understanding. I guess that helps me gain closure.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 12:12:18 AM   
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Wow.  I really don't know what to say, except to acknowledge how hard this must be for you.  Unless she is injured or something tragic happened to her, I can't see any good reason that she wouldn't tell you that she is no longer interested.

It's all guess work, but  maybe she realized she couldn't keep up the slave routine AND tend to her school work etc, and maybe she is embarassed to admit that to you, maybe she feels like a failure and doesn't want to face up to her change of heart.  Maybe she took the "sort-of argument" more seriously than you did?  Maybe something was said that turned her off.  Maybe she just needs time and space to figure things out?  I Don't know, I'm just taking a stab at it. 

It sucks to be left wondering, I'm sure, and it sure sucks that she hasn't at least shown you the courtesy of an explanation.  You may have to give yourself closure and just chalk it up to the bottom line that it appears she no longer wants to be involved with you.  And you may have to accept that you may never know the reason why.  Heck, she might not even understand her reasons. 

I sure hope you get relief of some kind very soon.


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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 12:21:30 AM   
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quote:

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It's all guess work, but  maybe she realized she couldn't keep up the slave routine AND tend to her school work etc, and maybe she is embarrassed to admit that to you, maybe she feels like a failure and doesn't want to face up to her change of heart. 


That is something I didn't even think of and does fit with her personality. She's always been incredibly sensitive to "failing" me and because she broke this one ritual we had (of seeing or communicating with each other in some way every day) maybe she just gave up and sort of went into hiding out of some sense of shame.

The only thing is, she has been disobedient before and never just disappeared. So... I dunno. But thanks for the shot. It's something to consider.

I feel like I will never get an explanation from her. I was so upset about this that I left some pretty heat of the moment, angry messages after Saturday when it was clear she wasn't going to be meeting me in Pittsburgh. Because of this, I'm pretty sure if she had any inclination of calling me to try to explain or salvage our relationship, I completely destroyed that.  But I guess this is because, internally I realize that there is no salvaging this. It's over no matter what.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 12:21:33 AM   
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You got upset when communication laxed  because she was studying for exams and there was an argument.
I am guessing..and I loathe speculation....that she felt crowded by you and that made her rethink things.Everyone needs personal time and space .

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 12:23:03 AM   
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The first thing that comes to mind is that something happened to her.  Have you contacted any of her family/friends to see if she is OK?  I can think of no reason to cut off contact completely, based on what you have written here.  I'm sure this must be very stressful.  I hope she is OK and you can get some answers soon.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 12:24:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

The first thing that comes to mind is that something happened to her.  Have you contacted any of her family/friends to see if she is OK?  I can think of no reason to cut off contact completely, based on what you have written here.  I'm sure this must be very stressful.  I hope she is OK and you can get some answers soon.


Yes, I know she's physically ok, her best friend has confirmed at least that much.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 12:25:56 AM   
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You got upset when communication laxed  because she was studying for exams and there was an argument.
I am guessing..and I loathe speculation....that she felt crowded by you and that made her rethink things.Everyone needs personal time and space .



That's a thought I hadn't considered. I'll have to mull that one over.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 12:42:02 AM   
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quote:

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I was so upset about this that I left some pretty heat of the moment, angry messages after Saturday when it was clear she wasn't going to be meeting me in Pittsburgh. Because of this, I'm pretty sure if she had any inclination of calling me to try to explain or salvage our relationship, I completely destroyed that. 


Yeah, it's not really the best thing to do, but you're human and you were angry with her.  If I were you, I wouldn't beat myself up over it.  It sounds like she made the decision before that occured.  And I think when two people want to be together, certainly they can overcome an argument or some heated words, talk things out, and hopefully each correct any inappropriate behaviors in the future (if they both wanted to).  It doesn't seem like one bad argument would be grounds for ending a relationship.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 12:56:29 AM   
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I've been there done that.  Not to make a gross generalization but lots of subs/slaves do a great job of "courting" and then disappaear off the face of the planet even when you have personal information and contact ability.  I used to go into a not so Dommely tailspin, questioning everything I did, was I really a good Dominant, was I too short, too ugly, too pretty, too smart, too fat, not fat enough. (The mind and the ego are monsters at this time.) I've learnt that people do what they want to do and nothing you've done can change that or control it.  I'd suggest facing the emotion you're having -disappointment, frustration, anger- figure out why you're feeling that way and then get rid of it.  She may come back.  She may not.  You may never hear from her again.  Neither of those things make you any better or worse as a person.  Just don't live life hesitantly because someone poofs on you.  BUT if she does come back, have a forgiving spirit.  All of us have moments of unconscious behaviour.  He without sin and all that jazz.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 1:00:03 AM   
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My guess is that reality walked up and bitch-slapped her in the fantasy.  Particularly with her tender age, she may not have a lot of experience in graciously admitting she was wrong, or even a lot of experience in the art of communication.  With her competitive streak, she may not know how to be "not the best", but merely, herself.

Maybe she realized that schoolwork absolutely, positively, must come first, and when you got upset with her about it, she decided that was a dealbreaker.

Lots of speculation.


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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 1:06:14 AM   
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That's really sad. The confusion must be a bitch at the moment; I'm sorry you're going through that. Please also forgive my ineloquent ramblings, I'm currently surviving on three hours' sleep.

Obviously, everyone else has given good advice in regards to letting her have space and time but from my perspective, I do think her actions (excepting the possibility something incredibly traumatic happened) show a basic lack of respect, regardless of her D/s orientation.

And having said that, I feel I should point out I have been guilty of immature actions such as this; hanging up on him, throwing a tanty, behaving in a 'brattish' manner; this is something I am actively working on with my Daddy. But I've not cut off communication due to feeling crowded or smothered, or even particularly angry.

At this point, I suppose the only thing you CAN do is wait to actually speak to her. If she hasn't contacted you after another week/ fortnight, I would assume it's over and begin preparing myself for the aftermath.

And of course, there are all the cliches of 'if they don't have respect for you now, they won't later'; but there is some truth to that and you do deserve someone worthy of your love and commitment.

Good luck.


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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 1:06:36 AM   
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I'm not making light of this, but I'll guess it was an online only relationship so far. Sure it sucks, but it is common for someone to want only an online thing and to disappear when it comes time to actually meet. Happens to Doms and submissives all the time.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 1:13:51 AM   
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Young girls ( I mean this respectfull) have a lott of change going on in their life at 18. (as you already saw in her way of changes in the lifestyle)
I had my younger sub too...and when I look back there was so much change in her life...while my life was pretty constant.
We had different view on things because of this age difference...and in the end it just didn't work out.

I find it weird she can't send a message when she is studying. If she cared about you..she would leave a message. (especially when you know she is ok).

Best is to let it rest..and continue your life. Else your mind will be full with thoughts...while she just continou living





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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 1:14:07 AM   
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She is 18, that explains it all. Think back to when you were 18. Glad to hear is OK. 

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 1:37:53 AM   
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My guess is that she couldn't go through with this and couldn't face you to explain why.  I don't think it's about school or the "sort-of argument" you had with her during exams.  I think it's more likely that her family has something to do with it--nixing her plan to be on vacation for seven days with some 28-year-old that she knows from the internet.

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ORIGINAL: trealeon

The plan was that she would go up to visit part of her family for Christmas then this past Saturday I was going to fly to Pittsburgh, she would drive there (a little less than an hour for her) and meet me there. Since she had a car there and knew the area she would pick me up from the airport and we'd spend the week together in Pittsburgh in an extended stay hotel. We made these plans about 2 months ago (if it's important, we made the plans before she expressed her desire to be more of a slave).


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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 3:02:23 AM   
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After all of the disagreeing LaM and I have done in the last few days, I think we've found something we agree on.  I didn't think it had so much to do with the school work/exams as I thought about the fact that the visit for the two of you was prefaced by a visit home. 

I'm inclined to think that what you had here was a young girl who is just starting to dabble in this lifestyle who perhaps hasn't quite come to terms of who she is with her family and who she is with you or with what she wants.  I  don't think the family had any input on the matter.  They probably didn't even know about your existence.  I see it more as how the girl might have been reacting when her two worlds were coming so close together.  The daughter who was going home for the holiday one week and the following week a (temporarily in Pittsburgh) 24/7 slave.  That could be a lot to handle for someone who is just getting started in these types of relationships. 

You mentioned her wanting a collar.  A very obvious collar.  An outward sign of a type of relationship that she wanted.  Yet something like that, even if it wasn't being thought of as something worn to her childhood home, could still be something she wanted and was torn about at the same time.  I've said this on other threads.  Can you imagine what it must be like to be a female slave and start thinking about going home to your family and talk about your life choices?  It's not the easiest thing in the world to do, especially if the girl is a Daddy/daughter type in her personality. 

I could be completely off base.  From what you wrote, that was My first inclination.


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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 3:21:02 AM   
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Being that she's young and, my guess, lacking experience with these sort of relationships or even long term relationships in general and coupling that with the relationship was only six months and she had began trying to rush things...perhaps (as said earlier) reality slapped her in the face. The fantasy idea of being a slave and yada yada might have seemed mystifying but then school, work, life and family all came crashing down. No idea why she left without a word, perhaps fear. Fear of failing, fear of her fantasy not being what she wanted, who knows. Not to mention, no idea if this was a real time relationship or long distance or online.

Perhaps the arguement made her think "How can I make this man happy and still do what I need to do." I mean, getting angry because she's studying? Perhaps she thought that trying to be a 24/7 slave would get in the way of school/friends/family if during exams you got angry. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps...really no solid idea. All guesses.

Hopefully she'll figure her shit out and explain things. But from not knowing you or her and just by going by the OP...I can't do much more than guess.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 3:42:57 AM   
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The reality is that there are 1001 potential reasons why she's done this. Unless you can get completely inside her head (and you can't) you probably will not know. At leasts not anytime soon.

I mean really, it could be anything from what was previously suggested to, a conversation with an old and trusted friend or close family member that lead her to think something like "OMG, this shit is so fucked up I can't really do it!!!"

She's damned young and she is going to have doubts, especially when faced with it in light of her old comfort zone of home.

This is one occasion where I would just sit back and chill. Keep the lines of communication available if, once she returns to school and leaves the influence of childhood and what is acceptable, etc..., she may want to re-establish contact. Because of her youth and inexperience, I would tread carefully and verrrrrrrrrrrrry slowly. She may have hidden issues you have zero clue of that she hasn't yet trusted you with the details. You can establish boundaries without pushing her away for good.

Perhaps I am just remembering someone I once knew. Someone that I really screwed things up with. I didn't know too many important details and didn't behave in a way that would have lead her to believe she could trust me with them until it really was too late in many ways.  Your situation is unique to you and only the two of you really know, neither of you all of it.

The reality is that you may never know and while I know from experience how much that hurts, you will just have to deal with it. Some people can't face their demons. Some people can but it takes years and quite a few failed relationships to do so.

Don't let her suck you down. Continue on, and take care of yourself. Just don't let her get into a cycle of appearance and disappearance. That sucks also.

Note: The above is based upon the assumption that this was a physically established relationship. Not an online only one. If it was online only, delete and move on. It really isn't worth your trouble.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 4:07:24 AM   
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The only way to figure out what went wrong is to have her tell you. If she won't talk to you, you'll never know. It sucks, be we all know it's true.

Or, you could decide that nothing went wrong and it is what it is. It's the simpler route, but often not the easiest.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 4:12:36 AM   
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My guess is that she couldn't go through with this and couldn't face you to explain why.  I don't think it's about school or the "sort-of argument" you had with her during exams.  I think it's more likely that her family has something to do with it--nixing her plan to be on vacation for seven days with some 28-year-old that she knows from the internet.

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ORIGINAL: trealeon

The plan was that she would go up to visit part of her family for Christmas then this past Saturday I was going to fly to Pittsburgh, she would drive there (a little less than an hour for her) and meet me there. Since she had a car there and knew the area she would pick me up from the airport and we'd spend the week together in Pittsburgh in an extended stay hotel. We made these plans about 2 months ago (if it's important, we made the plans before she expressed her desire to be more of a slave).



Based on the info the OP gave us, I would say your probibly right. I know what my reaction would be if my 18 yr old had come home and announced she was off to a motel to stay with her 28 yr old bf from the internet. Of course I would have encouraged her to call and break it off so you didn't worry, but I am nice like that. Well, sometimes I am.

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