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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 4:14:56 AM   
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You are nice. I would probably have sent uncle Guido to meet him at the airport, to "explain why" he was never going to see my daughter again.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 4:52:57 AM   
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She obviously hadn't figured out how to tell her parents that she was only going to be home for a week and then disappear to be with some guy off the net. When she did say she was going to leave, they asked questions and understandably went ballistic.

Next time keep in mind that as long as her parents are supporting her, she can't be your slave. She lives there, they pay the bills, she answers first to them. And that's how it should be.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 5:08:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

You are nice. I would probably have sent uncle Guido to meet him at the airport, to "explain why" he was never going to see my daughter again.


Heh...have you been hiding in the closet at my family reunions?

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 5:10:47 AM   
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It sounds to Me like fantasy met the cold hard slap of reality.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 6:20:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

You are nice. I would probably have sent uncle Guido to meet him at the airport, to "explain why" he was never going to see my daughter again.


I'd have insisted he show up at the door to be met with me holding a shotgun.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 6:31:24 AM   
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I see so many postive answers to all that have red your situation here. The answers you seek are not really here. We have shared our personal situations,  our logical thoughs and our opionions. The fact may be it was not one reason  in fact but a host of many. Maybe this time of the year for her was a reminder of what at this moment , at this time , is the most importain  to her. If bad judgement is to blame for not explaining herself , then blame that on her for not taking your feelings into consideration. But take this as ajoy to have been with her instead of the anger or sadness of her leaving  with out word. Realize you will be better through knowing her  for the next situation that comes into your grasp. All of us have been hurt. All of us have felt it was our fault in some way. Don't live your life feeling this how you want ot remember her for the rest of your life. Go on and believe you gave it every chance to work . The next one is out there. Hurt for now.. But others are waiting for you in the future.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 6:48:18 AM   
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I just woke up and read everyone's posts.

The one thing I do want to correct is the two posts that based their opinions off of this being an "online" relationship. We didn't live together, but we definitely didn't have an online relationship. It was very much real life. I saw her often, though there were some nights we could only talk or IM do to conflicting schedules. But this wasn't a case of "OMG first meeting" jitters.

I always thought the age thing my be a downfall. This was one of the reasons why I insisted on taking it slow and didn't just jump into a live in 24/7 relationship.  I told her lets wait a year and see where we are. Yes she was always rather impulsive so that could be part of it too.

The one thing that I failed to mention, but someone's comment's made me think about it, was the experience thing. Though this was her first D/s relationship, she wasn't new to it, which is surprising because of her age. She confided in me how she had wanted a Dom/sub relationship for a long time but could never find the right person and that's why she gravitated toward me so quickly because she knew some of my history and that I liked submissive women.

But in addition to this, she had qualities similar to that of a nymphomaniac. Having never met someone who was diagnosed with it, I can only speculate and say "similar", but she LOVED sex and before meeting me had it often and had way more partners than me. I never judged her on this, I know I mentioned this in another thread about how when she met me she stopped doing this and had been afraid I thought she was a slut but we resolved that early on in our relationship. However I know we didn't have sex nearly as often as she enjoyed, and when she started training, this was one of the things that was being controlled, not just the frequency of sex, but the frequency of her being able to pleasure herself which she used to do multiple times a day. That was very hard for her in the beginning but she also said she liked how much the wait made her enjoy the experience all the more. But now this is just another thing I can mull around as something I never considered.

Most people are leaning toward the thought that some mixture of family influences and "reality" just caused her to finally snap. I don't think that's too far off base. I know her best friend knew every aspect of our relationship and accepted it, I've met her a few times, and that's also how I know she's at least alive. As far as her parents, I only know what she would tell me about them, I'd never met them. According to her they at least knew about me and our plans and "didn't care". She dated a 25 year old when she was 16 so apparently this was old hat. I asked her to keep the D/s element out of it, she didn't really see an issue with telling them but I did. Of course, having never met them or talked to them, I can only go on what she said. I didn't have much of a reason to believe she's lied but of course now I have a reason to question everything. So perhaps her parents weren't as accepting as her friend.

I guess the only problem I have is, if it was something like that... why not just call and tell me. Over the several months we'd been dating, she's had her moments of brattiness, backtalk, and disobedience. One time she was even bratty in public on purpose and she admitted it because she wanted me to pay attention to her instead of talking to another female coworker who was my friend (like I said... very much a daddy's girl and wants daddy's attention). So I say all this to say, after all of those incidents, we've always been fine. I never held anything against her permanently. I guess what I don't understand is why she didn't just say something to me or even just tell her best friend to tell me. Did she cut me off because she thought I would cut her off first for ruining the vacation? Did she think if she wanted to back down from being a "full slave' or wearing a collar I would want to cut it off... I was really happy with her being just a daddy's girl. I loved it. We could have gone back to that pure dynamic I asked her multiple times if she was sure, even during the process. Aside from being frustrated with not being able to say "daddy" she said she wanted to continue and this was what she truly wanted.

I know... rambling again. It doesn't matter, it's all from my point of view, it's all without her side and without her input. I guess I'm getting to the source of my own frustration. I pride myself on being a good communicator and knowing that communication is the key to a successful relationship. This whole situation seems like a classic breakdown in communication, one side (me) not knowing, realizing, or understanding what the other side wants. But I feel like I fostered open and positive communication. So it just frustrates me that something like this still happened. I feel responsible. I know I probably shouldn't, but I still do.

As I said, because I left what can only be called an "angry" message with her on Saturday after I knew that she had no intentions of getting me, I know I've severed all communication by doing that and that because of it, I'll never get an answer from her.

No one has mentioned this but in the grand scheme of things I do realize that 6 months... yeah it's not a long time. So I should put this in perspective and not get so hung up on it. I guess the reason why it hurts is because I wasn't looking for any kind of relationship, let alone a D/s one. I hadn't been looking for a long time. This one fell into my lap, I was a little resistant at first, but after spending time with her, getting to know her,  and just being able to talk with her and open up to her... I really connected with her on multiple levels. It was the kind of connection I'd been hoping for in a relationship... so to lose something like that is what's beating on me.

I appreciate all the insight. I really do. I am taking everyone's words into consideration and I'm also trying to salvage my vacation by doing something fun for myself.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 6:52:31 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: openmindedslave

I see so many postive answers to all that have red your situation here. The answers you seek are not really here. We have shared our personal situations,  our logical thoughs and our opionions. The fact may be it was not one reason  in fact but a host of many. Maybe this time of the year for her was a reminder of what at this moment , at this time , is the most importain  to her. If bad judgement is to blame for not explaining herself , then blame that on her for not taking your feelings into consideration. But take this as ajoy to have been with her instead of the anger or sadness of her leaving  with out word. Realize you will be better through knowing her  for the next situation that comes into your grasp. All of us have been hurt. All of us have felt it was our fault in some way. Don't live your life feeling this how you want ot remember her for the rest of your life. Go on and believe you gave it every chance to work . The next one is out there. Hurt for now.. But others are waiting for you in the future.


I didn't read this until after I wrote my post... but thanks for that... I am going to take some time off again from looking for someone, but I will try to do what you suggested: Add this relationship to the list of relationships I had, learn from it, and not dwell on the ending as it is something out of my control and probably something I can never fully understand.

I know I will analyze my actions for mistakes but I'll try to limit that to a constructive search to learn and grow as a person.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 7:04:30 AM   
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No advice or thoughts beyond what's already been shared, just hugs to you for your confusion and disappointment.  Especially as you had such a wonderful time planned, and your hopes were high.  

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 7:12:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: trealeon

The one thing that I failed to mention, but someone's comment's made me think about it, was the experience thing. Though this was her first D/s relationship, she wasn't new to it, which is surprising because of her age. She confided in me how she had wanted a Dom/sub relationship for a long time but could never find the right person and that's why she gravitated toward me so quickly because she knew some of my history and that I liked submissive women.

But in addition to this, she had qualities similar to that of a nymphomaniac. Having never met someone who was diagnosed with it, I can only speculate and say "similar", but she LOVED sex


Two comments:

1.  Wanting, and being in, a D/s relationship are two entirely different things.  Just because she thought she wanted it, doesn't mean she could deal with it when she had it, even if things seemed to be going okay.

2.  A nyphomaniac (now the condition is called "hypersexuality") is not someone who loves sex. It is someone who has an extremely high sex drive (there is no standard, other than it is disruptive to everyday life) but does not derive any sort of lasting satisfaction, therefore leading that person to seek even more sexual encounters. 

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 7:13:48 AM   
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I'm not making light of this, but I'll guess it was an online only relationship so far. Sure it sucks, but it is common for someone to want only an online thing and to disappear when it comes time to actually meet. Happens to Doms and submissives all the time.


Did you read the OP...and all his subsequent replies? They were together in person nearly every day of the week, according to him.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 7:15:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CalifChick
Two comments:

1.  Wanting, and being in, a D/s relationship are two entirely different things.  Just because she thought she wanted it, doesn't mean she could deal with it when she had it, even if things seemed to be going okay.

2.  A nyphomaniac (now the condition is called "hypersexuality") is not someone who loves sex. It is someone who has an extremely high sex drive (there is no standard, other than it is disruptive to everyday life) but does not derive any sort of lasting satisfaction, therefore leading that person to seek even more sexual encounters. 

Cali


Yeah I figured I was off based with the nymphomaniac thing. I never knew what the actually definition was... I just never met someone before who wanted sex that often (multiple times a day) so that was the only thing I could think to compare it to.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 7:25:34 AM   
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But for the age, and the fact that she actually speaks to her family........I would swear you are dating my ex!! Sex fiend and a disappearer. Only to reappear months or more later with "I love you"s. Granted, I've gotten to a point that, not only do I expect it, I also know her so well I know WHY she does what she does. I can keep loving her and caring about her but also maintain a distant different type of relationship that doesn't hurt me in the process.

All I can tell you is, don't blame yourself, quit trying to decifer if it was something you did wrong. It will get self destructive. Just learn, be objective and move on.


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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 7:55:36 AM   
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Trealeon - I wrote you a message on the other side last night. It seems it may have ended up in your spam.

As long as I'm posting I'll say that I can sympathize. I think most of us can. I don't know a single dominant who hasn't had someone go "poof" as we say, and it sucks all the more so when you have a real relationship, not limited to online. I have to agree with people that the family visit may have had an effect. When I was younger and still living at home - or more importantly - when I was in college and my parents still supported me, I was prohibited from doing a lot of things that I really wanted to do including seeing people I wanted to see. Warranted or not, parents are overprotective and I can imagine that she may have exaggerated their "coolness" with the whole situation or maybe she never even asked, only to find out later that she was not allowed to leave their house to meet up with you. The one thing I firmly believe is that there is NO EXCUSE to just disappear on someone without explanation, or if nothing else, a statement of "I'm choosing to end this" even if there's no reason given. She doesn't sound like a dumb person but I've met a lot of smart people who still manage to vanish into thin air.

Again, sorry you had to go through this.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 8:01:20 AM   
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I just started a thread a week or so ago in the Ask A Mistress section entitled "Why do they ruin it". A big part of it also included the ones who flake out when getting exactly what they say they have always wanted.  The general concensus seems to be, it happens. It's going to happen. The person probably can't even tell you exactly why. It sure does hurt though when you're going through it.  My sympathies and hugs

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 8:22:14 AM   
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Reality.

College-life is not life. Its set up to experiment. There were more 'nymphomaniacs' in college than the statistical average. It's a sexist label usually assigned by repressed sorority girls. BTW - you know what they call a male nymphomaniac? - Stud.

Reality happens on breaks, Xmas break, spring break, summer; all are demarcation points away from the illusion of being involved with something important - the life of a college student. The entire experience should be called Adulthood 101. Allegedly you are given the ability to make adult decisions. How cool was it to have my dorm-mates knock and announce they were going on a 'beer-run'? Even 'cooler' was 'studying calculus while sipping on scotch on the rocks. How interesting is was to learn how to cure all the ills of the world from someone who couldn't survive outside the academic world; and whose greatest accomplishment was achieving 'tenure'.

There comes a time during one of those periods away from that world that you realize how un-real it is. It starts with relationships. Graduation comes when you achieve the ability to see behind the facade that is college. You could be caught up in that process. I don't think age has much to do with it as experience. There isn't anything you can say.

If you are the master you claim to be - master yourself. You didn't lose anything you didn't have in the first place. You only had it in a certain scenario which may be coming to an end now, but for sure will be coming to end sooner or later. You were a 'college experience'. Who knows on what level, the 'older man', the 'kinky sex', the non-conformist; there are too many to name. Let her get on with her life. Best wishes for you, as you do the same.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 8:46:23 AM   
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Merc, did you have a lousy time in college or something like that?  I see you repeatedly bashing college (and those incompetent tenured slobs who teach there), and I wonder what horrible experience must be prompting it.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 9:31:48 AM   
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Merc, did you have a lousy time in college or something like that?  I see you repeatedly bashing college (and those incompetent tenured slobs who teach there), and I wonder what horrible experience must be prompting it.
Nope - As a matter of fact I had the most fantastic time! I recommend everyone go there for the experience; "incompetent tenured slobs" notwithstanding. It's a wonderful learning experience. You can see absolute power corrupting absolutely. You learn to manipulate by writing papers, not based upon your belief, but the beliefs of the pseudo-intellectuals. It helps when you have to work for someone and know that if you do exactly what you are being told it won't work for anything other than a paycheck. In college that paycheck is a grade, but it applies just as well to business reality. It is one of the few things about college that reflects reality. 

Hell, I taught at the college level and appreciate the value of the education provided; especially about what not to do.

Why do you have a problem with that perspective enough to attempt to hijack this thread?

BTW - they aren't ALL "incompetent tenured slobs"; just most of them, at least until you get beyond undergraduate level, most of which more accurately referenced as High School Part 2.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 9:59:17 AM   
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To the OP
By reading your post, you seemed to acknowledged that going to fast would be a downfall. You wanted to know how serious she was. Actually, personally I think that is a healthy decision. Usually the first 6 months is the honeymoon period and those rose color glasses just don't see reality. In many ways by your insistence on going slow, you saved yourself. Stop blaming yourself for another's actions. Also expectations on how people should act can only lead you into more frustrations. It would have been nice if she would have had the guts to tell you face to face, but she didn't. Perhaps, simply she just is not ready yet to settle down in any type of relationship. She might like the sound of it, and have dreams of it, but there is a difference between doing and dreaming.

Pat yourself on the back for taking it slow. Relationships involve a lot of maturity and commitment, not just the fluffy stuff.  Very few people at 18 have the depth within to bank on maturity let alone commitment.

Nothing went wrong, but actually it went right. You were saved from a lot more grief.

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RE: Trying to Understand What Went Wrong - 12/29/2008 10:11:37 AM   
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College/University is an Experiment, and Experiment of Life, thats what it is there for, When you go away at a young age and meet new people its all good then go back to parents/family for Christmas, A couple of my friends when i was at Uni, I was an older Uni Student when i went at 22 but with a lot of younger people there, for a friend of mine (18) she met someone (m24-25), and fell head over in heels in love ( vanilla ) but by Christmas she was going home to family, and wanted so much to stay with new partner, but parents insisted she went home, The partner offered to go with her or even to visit over Christmas and My friend said yes, she wanted to so much, but then when she got home, her parents in the Christmassy mode and she didnt know how to bring up the subject she had a boyfriend and she thought it was serious, so instead of bringing up the subject with her parents she cut off her Boyfriend, and ignored all calls and contact with him til she went back to Uni, when she came back, because of her actions she lost her boyfriend and ended up single. this was because of the way she acted etc.........I think very similar to whats happened maybe.
Maybe she will get in touch with you after Christmas,
being Honest Christmas, Familys, New Relationships, Age and Distances often dont mix.
I do hope you have a lovely new year and if things dont work out for you, i am sure you will move on, Good Luck and hope you feel better soon.
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