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RE: Im the Master she's the...???? - 1/7/2009 11:06:39 PM   
MasterTroyV


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Status: offline 		Yes I am due to the fact that She does not like the term.  To call her slave is a bad thing in her mind......and I will use that.  I hope that eventually the term slave will not be bad and then things will change.


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I demand his total, utter, unequivocal destruction.
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wiped his sons from the face of the earth,
burned his houses to the ground,
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RE: Im the Master she's the...???? - 1/7/2009 11:12:27 PM   
nevaehangel


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Status: offline 		but forgive me, using the term slave in hopes one day it will not become a bad thing isn't going to happen if you use it when your angry with her...sorry thats a complete and utter Oxymoron to me....

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RE: Im the Master she's the...???? - 1/7/2009 11:53:53 PM   
MasterTroyV


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Status: offline 		There are many oxymorons in this world........


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"To defeat my enemy is not enough.
I demand his total, utter, unequivocal destruction.
Only when I have spread his ashes to the wind,
wiped his sons from the face of the earth,
burned his houses to the ground,
and enslaved his wives and daughters
shall my wroth be spent."



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RE: Im the Master she's the...???? - 1/8/2009 12:17:26 AM   
MystiqueH


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Status: offline 		this certantly has turned out to be an interesting topic, i didnt realize there could be so many different names for one single person in a M/s relationship.
I'm the Sub the OP is about, and sense i do have a little bit a say as to what my master calls me i think that what we came up with is fine. I dispise being called a slave cause i consider myself a submisive not a slave and there are differences between the two.
With respect to the Dom, Masters that replyed, in my honest opinion the temrs slut, cunt, whore and so on are insulting, derrogatory and disrespecful, if you expect a slave/submisive to respect you, you should show some respect to him/her, after all he/she is a person too.

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RE: Im the Master she's the...???? - 1/8/2009 1:39:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MystiqueH

this certantly has turned out to be an interesting topic, i didnt realize there could be so many different names for one single person in a M/s relationship.
I'm the Sub the OP is about, and sense i do have a little bit a say as to what my master calls me i think that what we came up with is fine. I dispise being called a slave cause i consider myself a submisive not a slave and there are differences between the two.
With respect to the Dom, Masters that replyed, in my honest opinion the temrs slut, cunt, whore and so on are insulting, derrogatory and disrespecful, if you expect a slave/submisive to respect you, you should show some respect to him/her, after all he/she is a person too.

Yes, me too - I loathe all those terms with a passion and I don't even use them when I'm angry, not even to a stranger....
 
Yet somehow (by Troy's reasoning), "girl" and "slave" has now been grouped with them in your relationship, too?  Yep, it's your business and not mine but my eyes are watering nonetheless....
 
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RE: Im the Master she's the...???? - 1/8/2009 1:52:30 AM   
Focus50


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ORIGINAL: MasterTroyV

I never once claimed to be Qualified........but I am learning.


also I never for your aproval of anything I call her.  If you don't like it then thats your problem.

Well obviously there are no formal qualifications (hence my use of inverted comma's previously) but I'd still question if you are learning anything on this topic considering the 5 pages of advice you've received and what you've managed to do with that input....
 
Yep, you don't need my approval (lol) but what I "don't like" here will most likely end up as yours and especially your girl's problem.  <shrugs>
 
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RE: Im the Master she's the...???? - 1/8/2009 7:14:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MystiqueH

With respect to the Dom, Masters that replyed, in my honest opinion the temrs slut, cunt, whore and so on are insulting, derrogatory and disrespecful, if you expect a slave/submisive to respect you, you should show some respect to him/her, after all he/she is a person too.


Unless of course calling her those things IS respecting her, because it floats her boat. 


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RE: Im the Master she's the...???? - 1/8/2009 9:56:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MystiqueH


With respect to the Dom, Masters that replyed, in my honest opinion the temrs slut, cunt, whore and so on are insulting, derrogatory and disrespecful, if you expect a slave/submisive to respect you, you should show some respect to him/her, after all he/she is a person too.


Ahh for many, many, many s types those words give them butterflies, makes their panties wet and all that. It is not disrespectful in that case and i have never lost respect for someone who used those words towards me. Thats because along with being a person I am also a slut, whore and cunt, bloody proud of it

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RE: Im the Master she's the...???? - 1/8/2009 2:30:55 PM   
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When I am happy with her she will be called by her given name.  When I am unhappy she may be called a number of things......depending on the situation, if just annoyed then she will be called girl, if angry THEN she will be called SLAVE.....

Be prepared to be angry a lot.


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RE: Im the Master she's the...???? - 1/8/2009 2:34:41 PM   
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With respect to the Dom, Masters that replyed, in my honest opinion the temrs slut, cunt, whore and so on are insulting, derrogatory and disrespecful, if you expect a slave/submisive to respect you, you should show some respect to him/her, after all he/she is a person too.

If the slave in question is a slut, cunt, whore, et cetera, calling her such IS respecting her.

If the slave in question does not want to be called a slut, cunt, whore, et cetera, she should refrain from surrendering to a man who sees her as a slave, cunt, whore, et cetera.

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RE: Im the Master she's the...???? - 1/8/2009 8:24:35 PM   
Ecas


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Status: offline 		From my point of view I prefer to give them a new first name. Nothing rude but maybe someone we saw in a porn movie or what ever helps her feel more free. Something that I can use in public, when ever the collar goes on she switches from mom, wife or Jane what ever into super slut. She now has permission to do all the things that she may normally feel repressed to do.

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RE: Im the Master she's the...???? - 1/9/2009 12:31:07 AM   
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RE: I'm the Master she's the...???? - 1/9/2009 1:01:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterTroyV

Up until a few weeks ago being a Master was just a dream......Now I am.  A friend of mine and I were talking and somehow the subject came up.  Now im kinda new to this and I don't quit know what to call her.  
Any suggestions.

Thanks

Master Troy



You might have been told already, but if you are Master, how did you get the title? Since when are 20 yr olds masters when they still have no idea of what job they will have when 30, if they have any. When do newbie call themselves masters when they have no idea of what to call his gf?  My Sir calls me "sweetheart" or by my real name.  He has never called me sub, slut, whore and cunt seems to be his choice when playing. You are welcome Troy.  It's only my opinion of course.

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RE: I'm the Master she's the...???? - 1/9/2009 1:12:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MystiqueH

this certantly has turned out to be an interesting topic, i didnt realize there could be so many different names for one single person in a M/s relationship.
I'm the Sub the OP is about, and sense i do have a little bit a say as to what my master calls me i think that what we came up with is fine. I dispise being called a slave cause i consider myself a submisive not a slave and there are differences between the two.
With respect to the Dom, Masters that replyed, in my honest opinion the temrs slut, cunt, whore and so on are insulting, derrogatory and disrespecful, if you expect a slave/submisive to respect you, you should show some respect to him/her, after all he/she is a person too.

OK, this is not a M/s relationship because your are submissive.  Try D/s, but you can't do that cause Troy decides, causes it's "kosher," to be called Master. Such a conundrum. Humiliating names such as cunt or whore are used on those who are aroused by humiliation. Why did you not consider your name in the agreement.  I guess the agreement says he is Master?I am Master,There are 2 rules.1. Always obey me.2. If you doubt or have questions. follow rule #1. (My spell check wanted to correct all your spelling booboo's) 

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RE: I'm the Master she's the...???? - 1/9/2009 1:15:26 PM   
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There are 2 rules.1. Always obey me.2. If you doubt or have questions. follow rule #1.

A nice workable set of rules, that.

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RE: I'm the Master she's the...???? - 1/9/2009 4:44:44 PM   
MasterTroyV


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Status: offline 		Ok it looks as if I need to set a few thing straight.  As a man of character and integrity I know when to admit when I have been wrong and to fix the mistakes I have made.  I was wrong in making an account here with the name Master in it, as I clearly do not have the experiance to claim that title.  If I could change the name I would, but I can't.  I would also ask those who have earned the title of master to forgive the error of a newby.

On to the subject of name calling and such.  Niether my sub or I are aroused by humiliation so calling her names such as slut,cunt,whore, or SLAVE for for that purpose will not work.  To us the names are not important they just seemed appropiate.  My calling her girl or anything else that she does not like is a form of negetive reinforcement.  The dynamics of our arrangement may be somewhat different than yours but they are also changing as we both learn what we like and don't like.  The fact that she does not like being called a slave associated with the punishment the she does like may eventually lead to her accepting and possibly even enjoying the term slave.  Or it may not in wich case we will adapt.

I have accepted the fact that I am not a Master and do not even call myself one except to reference the fact that I am the one in charge and she is not.  What I see myself as now is a Dom seeking to learn and earn the Title of Master.


Troy



"To defeat my enemy is not enough.
I demand his total, utter, unequivocal destruction.
Only when I have spread his ashes to the wind,
wiped his sons from the face of the earth,
burned his houses to the ground,
and enslaved his wives and daughters
shall my wroth be spent."

< Message edited by MasterTroyV -- 1/9/2009 5:23:53 PM >

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RE: I'm the Master she's the...???? - 1/9/2009 5:30:27 PM   
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RE: I'm the Master she's the...???? - 1/14/2009 9:36:39 PM   
MirrorrirroM


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Status: offline 		Wow what a controversial topic this has become...I really love reading these forums...so anyway here's my two cents.
IN MY OPINION the concept of being offended at the term "girl" is bizarre. I get happy butterflies in my stomach when my Master refers to me as me his girl. We don't use the term slave, NOT because we find it derogatory but because quite simply it wouldn't be appropriate to describe the dynamics of our relationship. Sort of like how I refer to him as my Master but I tend to more naturally gravitate towards calling him "Sir" or even just his given name when it's appropriate. And likewise when we're out at say a wal-mart and he wants to call me over to look at something he doesn't yell "Girl! Get over here!" It's usually "Hey Adrianne, come take a look at this!". I think the big thing to remember is that all words only carry the power and meaning we choose to put into them. It makes me feel nice when my Master does refer to me as his sub or his girl, because it sort of positively reinforces our consensual and natural dynamic and reminds me that he does still view me as his, which makes me very happy. But when we're in a situation where he calls me by my common use name it's not like I stop being his girl in that moment just because of the change or wording when calling to me. In context of certain types of play and scenes he may call me a slut or things like that, and in that context I can completely get off on it. I think it's because I know that when he calls me a name that has a typically "negative" connotation, and it's in context of a scene, it's still being done affectionately versus with any intent to actually insult me.
I would personally have to speak up against calling your sub names that she finds offensive when you're angry at her as means of punishment or whatnot. First off it feeds into her feeling that terms like "slave" are intrisically negative, versus being able to understand that depending on the individuals "slave" can have a very positive connotation, and also to me it just feels a little wee bit like verbal abuse.
But hey, if these are the rules and dynamics that you two agree on, and you're confident that if either of you runs into problems with them you'll be able to calmly discuss it and adapt things if necessary, then rock on.
Remember, in ANY relationship communication is key.
Good luck :)


(edited just to correct some spelling issues)

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RE: Im the Master she's the...???? - 1/14/2009 9:56:49 PM   
Petruchio


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Status: offline 		People get too hung up on labels and even spelling. Who the hell cares if you say D/S or d/s or MMMMaster?

Likewise, it doesn't matter what she's called as long as you both respond to it? Slave? Sweetheart? It's what matters to the two of you.

My suggestion is to let her choose her own 'title'. She might pleasantly surprise you.

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RE: Im the Master she's the...???? - 1/14/2009 10:41:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		My feeling is that slavery is an art...and the term 'slave' is validation for a dedicated slave...My master indicates his displeasure/pleasure by subtle differences in my address...eg. Its 'x' or 'my x'...or sometimes 'x!'.....etc....he never uses humiliating terms and gains dominance by intelligent Mastery...i think the distinction betw dom and Master should be clearer..and I believe Masters should have a decency code..and yes..should be trained!!! The term 'master' is too often an umbrella for unadulturated abuse...

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