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RE: Need Advice- I'm Stuck and new :( - 1/4/2006 11:16:06 AM   
DommeBMFS


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UHhhhhh, I'm NOT playing games here. I'm GENUINELY asking for advice and expertise from Mistresses, couples and subs who CARE.

I don't care what he wrote. Won't even read it. I had no idea and think it's GOOD that he is seeking advice as I directed him to. I'm PROUD of him for this. TWO WEEKS for a damn good reason! And we'll get together AFTER that and hash it out. Thanks A/all for your concern.

I'm done with this thread. I've repeatedly asked people if they'd like to PRIVATE email Me on this matter and I am STILL asking for such.

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RE: Need Advice- I'm Stuck and new :( - 1/4/2006 11:28:07 AM   
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Having read your various replies here as well as your submissive's post on the other board, I'm going to add an addendum to my earlier advice. I think you should take a close look at yourself, and see if you are ready to be a Domme or Mistress, ready to take on the responsibilities, ready to take control. If there is miscommunication between you, you must be responsible for that as well. Speaking of communication, just in general, rather than posting here, BOTH of you ought to be sending these posts to each other and working things out, than both of you posting separately for advise and comfort. Except that trust has already been violated, of course.

Speaking of trust, there were a couple of other little bitty things you didn't mention btw, that sent up some huge red flags for me. You might to explore what the concepts of honesty and trust actually mean to you, before proceeding further with any sub (or even vanilla relationship). Betrayal of trust is one of the greatest harms that a sub can suffer. As a Mistress, you have a RESPONSIBILITY to your sub to protect him from harm... and that includes, if necessary, yourself. Well... we aren't allowed to flame here, of course, so I'll just end this without saying what I really think.

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Three words: Cut him loose.

But then, you know that already :)



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RE: Need Advice- I'm Stuck and new :( - 1/4/2006 11:30:58 AM   
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It seems to me that you've been direct and clear with him. If there was any lack of clarity I'd have a different response, but given that you seem to be repeatedly communicating the things and dynamic you want with him.... don't break the two week guideline and after that see what he does for a short period and most likely dump him.

It sounds like he wants play but not to submit to you to the level you want. Even that he may be playing power games with the gifts and arrangements of plans, etc.

To me, that is unacceptable. I am very willing to discuss things, alter arrangements when I can, learn new things or otherwise cater to a sub/slave of mine -BUT! On my own terms and not ever when I feel they are trying to manipulate me or run things. Such things, to me, are on the basis of being a communicative and considerate Mistress, not to be someone's convenience or playtoy.

If that's how you're starting to feel, I'd end it.

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RE: Need Advice- I'm Stuck and new :( - 1/4/2006 11:47:50 AM   
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I'm done with this thread. I've repeatedly asked people if they'd like to PRIVATE email Me on this matter and I am STILL asking for such.

You're coming across as a spoiled woman who gets pissy when she doesn't get what she wants.

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RE: Need Advice- I'm Stuck and new :( - 1/4/2006 12:09:34 PM   
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Yes, that's what I'm getting :(

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I'm done with this thread. I've repeatedly asked people if they'd like to PRIVATE email Me on this matter and I am STILL asking for such.

You're coming across as a spoiled woman who gets pissy when she doesn't get what she wants.



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RE: Need Advice- I'm Stuck and new :( - 1/4/2006 12:25:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross


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ORIGINAL: DommeBMFS
I'm done with this thread. I've repeatedly asked people if they'd like to PRIVATE email Me on this matter and I am STILL asking for such.

You're coming across as a spoiled woman who gets pissy when she doesn't get what she wants.



Hence My original assessment of immaturity---as Lady Morgynn says, you as the Dominant have a great responsibility to protect your sub--you potentially exposed him to STD, lying. hiding and miscommunication. You asked for advice, you got some great advice, its hard when people tell one they may be wrong---but we all need to look inside for answers.

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RE: Need Advice- I'm Stuck and new :( - 1/4/2006 1:12:38 PM   
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By LuckyAlbatros:

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As far as feeling like a whore, speaking as someone who IS a whore, it's not necessarily a bad thing


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RE: Need Advice- I'm Stuck and new :( - 1/4/2006 1:42:41 PM   
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Being dominant, doesn't mean that there is a hardfast right or wrong way to go about things. It isn't one persons way is correct and the others incorrect, it means compromise and negotiation. It appears to me (just my.02) that he still is still struggling with control issues himself. Often those who have a history with pro's have a limited world view of what lifestyle dommes want. Nothing against pro's but with them you can order off the menu something that isn't possible with lifestylers. The transition from that is not easy

Secondly, I agree with the previous poster about the communication issue. I do not understand cutting off communication when that is the area most challenged, nor do I understand not allowing him or thanking him for going above and beyond the expectations. So what if he brings your chocolate, it was thoughtful and caring, One of the things I love most about my dearest is that he always thinks of little things that would please me, and doesn't hesitate to surprise me with anticipating my wants and needs before I articulate them. You must have a relationship outside of the BDSM realm in order to have a sucessful and healthy relationship in my opinion. Why punish yourself and cut yourself off from people whom you supposedly are attracted to?

Lastly, just because the pro session didn't feel write, do not interrept it as bad thing, see it as a learning experience. Yes he got his rocks off, So WHAT? if your going to have a healthy relationship you as a Domme have an obligation to see to it that his needs are met as well as your own. Seeing what gets his off is a great deal of knowledge to possess and now it is yours to control and administer. I firmly believe that things must be edifying to BOTH parties in the relationship.. The Domme however controls the mean, quantity and ways.

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RE: Need Advice- I'm Stuck and new :( - 1/4/2006 4:58:32 PM   
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Collett,

Please feel free to call me Suz.


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ORIGINAL: DommeBMFS

You ask: "What do you think your lesson/s in this situation is/ are?" I think I've learned a good lesson in JUST where My bdsm and natural woman's emotional, spiritual and physical areas are. I believe I've also learned a GREAT lesson in how to be more honest with Myself and him and WHEN to be honest (and how to present it) in future bdsm relationships. But, I'm STILL learning that one, as I have no other bdsm relations right now.



It's always a pleasure for me to see someone take responsibility for themself and end up walking straight into their personal power as a result. Thank you for sharing that with us.


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I am not just going for 'play' here. I'm looking to groom a boy for an eventual live-in, luv-in. My take on intimacy is that in ANY relationship-vanilla or kink- it takes at LEAST one year if not two to really know if someone is compatible for life. I wish to be monogamous.


One of the kewlest things (to me) about BDSM is that we get to define 'relationship' for ourselves and there are no rules that say all our relationships must be the same. I point out that bdsm relationships do not have to be sexual in nature. In fact, not everyone who is looking for a bdsm relationship is also looking for romantic intimacy in that relationship.

I completely agree with your thoughts regarding length of time to really get to know someone. I'd add that in that time you'll get to see how they handle conflict, which for me is a critical skill for anyone I will allow close to me.

I do usually encourage new comers not to get into a 'relationship' for a while when they are new to the scene. I tell them to treat it like a new toy for a while and just have fun and learn techniques. Get to know a lot of different people and see how different things work in different situations and in different relationships. Get your feet wet without the stress of trying to 'make something work.' You'll wake up one day with a wealth of new knowledge (not only about kink but also about yourself), wonderful new acquaintances and dear new friends that will always be a part of your life in one way or another. You'll get a better understanding of what you really do and don't want regarding how kink should be in your life. Perhaps you have already done this and this is your first 'serious' d/s based relationship. If not, then perhaps it's a new perspective you hadn't considered.

I completely honor your choice to be monogamous. You might know that there has recently been a lot of discussion on the General Discussion board about monogamy. Aside from the regrettably inevitable devolution that occurs in a thread that people feel passionate about there was some good insight in those threads. If nothing else it served to show that there are as many ways to define monogamy as there are people to come up with the definitions. Does your definition of monogamy preclude you from cultivating d/s based relationships with people outside of your current partnering? If so, why? Is that working for you? Perhaps you are only open to sexual d/s relationships? If so, is that working for you?

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ORIGINAL: DommeBMFS

I DO feel that 'time outs' are necessary in ANY relationship (vanilla or bdsm) where the power struggle gets heavy.



GF, you are preachin' to the choir. I need them (time outs) for me, regardless. Looooong before power struggle comes into play, and doubly so if I find myself in the middle of it, I make sure to take plenty of time for me. It's a bottom line kinda thing for me.


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I walk away and cool off, regroup and collect resources and objective viewpoints THEN re-address the situations. I take responsibility for My part and do My BEST not to repeat the mistake. I expect the other person to be as fully accepting of their responsibility and do their soul-searching if they don't know themselves. If I find myself or the other blaming, shaming, guilting...it's just not good for anyone and could lead to harm. So, I back off. I use time outs to EVERYONE's advantage, I hope.

Yep, I'm stepping back here and re-assessing his strengths and weaknesses. And I'm re-grouping my mental and spiritual strengths and boundaries. I am ALSO re-assessing my strengths and weaknesses and what My desires for this relationship are and where it might go. Oh, he IS delightful to Me and cherished SO much in SO many ways. Endearing, he is, but delicate, too. I acknowledge that I am also a delicate One, but commanding, nonetheless.
I will admit my dysfunction, and as is My way, I will acknowledge and break from operating out of it. It's damned necessary, don't you think? Yep, co-dependent policing, checking and re-checking honesty with one's self and others. Constant awareness of honest motives is mandatory on both parts and is NOT negotiable.


YOU GO, GIRL!!!! Feel the power?

Yes, I think it's damned necessary. 'Nuff said.


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ORIGINAL: DommeBMFS

About the gifts: he's getting it...slowly, but surely. And I can certainly control my reactions to them. The coffee and chocolate? I simply said, "***, I did not ask for them, did I, dear? Nice thought, but no thanks. Try not to give Me what I do not ask for, ok?" Another example of how I handled some gifts was this; he brought a printer and a dvd player to the house (didn't tell him to.) I asked his permission to present them to My daughters as Christmas presents WITH the clear understanding that they are from him, but predominantly from Me. He agreed. So that's how it was. Also, I make it clear that I SHARE what he buys or that he is buying it for someone else, NOT for Me or him. And IF it is toys, lingerie, etc. I direct what we will buy and how it will be used. I explain clearly it's OURS and will NOT be used by Me for any other reasons or situations.


I think if you control your reactions to them you can use that as a tool to teach him what you want. That's not to say that you needn't state your preferences clearly, just that you can use the way you respond as a tool to reinforce what you tell him.

May I ask why you don't like to receive gifts?


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ORIGINAL: DommeBMFS

We had a very intimate and relaxed time exploring kama sutra and tantric quite a few times. I've been doing kinky, dominant things all my sex life. I actually have techniques that I haven't used on him or anyone in bdsm play. I will not go into detail here. But, I'd be glad to share the plan one-on-one with a Mistress such as Yourself if you care to chat or mail sometime.


Tantra? <grin> The male multiple orgasm is a glorious thing, isn't it?


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ORIGINAL: DommeBMFS

You say, "I think what I'm trying to say is that I hear you say you are in power struggles with him and I'm not sure why you choose to participate. You have so many options for creating the environment you wish to live in, with him or without him, why would you participate in anything that is less than what you want?

And My answer is this: The ONLY reason at THIS point I would care to continue to participate is that it is an excellent learning device for Me. He's My tool to play, experiment and learn on. :) That's My mindset, anyhow.


Then once again I ask whether or not your purposes would be better served if you were not 'trying to make a relationship work' but rather just having a good time with it and allowing whatever comes of it to come.


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ORIGINAL: DommeBMFS

Isn't the definition of a bdsm relationship an exchange of power? Aren't there going to be power struggles? Like I say, it's new and I really have no understanding of other playmates, but that could be in the future.


In a perfect world an exchange would be free flowing. If there is a struggle then it's not flowing it's being arm wrestled for. Now, some people WANT that in their dynamic (more power to them, it ain't my cup of tea) but I use the presence of a power struggle as a red flag that things are not what I want to create in my life. Sure, I occasionally wake up and realize that somehow I've managed to create another one or allow someone else's in. If I'm on my toes I disengage long before it gets to that point. Obviously we don't live in a perfect world. The power struggles that I willingly engage in are usually fairly short lived, as I'm not often willing to engage for long.

You sound like you have a very good head on your shoulders! Good luck to you with whatever you choose to create.

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RE: Need Advice- I'm Stuck and new :( - 1/4/2006 6:02:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

Hence My original assessment of immaturity--


Damn...and you were oh so right too! My apologies!

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RE: Need Advice- I'm Stuck and new :( - 1/4/2006 6:28:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross


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ORIGINAL: DommeBMFS
I'm done with this thread. I've repeatedly asked people if they'd like to PRIVATE email Me on this matter and I am STILL asking for such.

You're coming across as a spoiled woman who gets pissy when she doesn't get what she wants.



Hence My original assessment of immaturity---as Lady Morgynn says, you as the Dominant have a great responsibility to protect your sub--you potentially exposed him to STD, lying. hiding and miscommunication. You asked for advice, you got some great advice, its hard when people tell one they may be wrong---but we all need to look inside for answers.



Somebody PLEASE pass me a clue!!!! WTF are ya'll talkin' about? Did I miss drama? Am I missing a piece of the puzzle?

Do I want to know???




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RE: Need Advice- I'm Stuck and new :( - 1/4/2006 6:37:18 PM   
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Suz, the sub posted in Ask Submissives under Dom/Sub relationship difficulties---have to read them both, its like a Robert Parker mystery.

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RE: Need Advice- I'm Stuck and new :( - 1/4/2006 6:54:43 PM   
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Really insightful post.


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ORIGINAL: MaitresseEden

It appears to me (just my.02) that he still is still struggling with control issues himself.


That does seem to be part of a submissive's process, eh?


quote:

ORIGINAL: MaitresseEden

Often those who have a history with pro's have a limited world view of what lifestyle dommes want. Nothing against pro's but with them you can order off the menu something that isn't possible with lifestylers.


Hmmmm. Have to disagree with you here. Granted the vast majority of the pros I know are either independent or work independently (by appointment only) in a house, but I don't know a single pro that does scripted sessions or 'requests.' Much the same as a lifestyle dominant would want to know what does and doesn't float a bottom's boat the same could be said for a pro domina. You have to learn their buttons before you can press them, lifestyle or pro. I don't know a lot of house dominas, though. The dynamic could be different from my own experience. If someone comes politely explaining that they have something they'd like to explore then it's likely that a pro will use introducing that person to the thing he desires as a means to get to know him better. As a pro I got to be the person who shared a whole lot of 'firsts' with people who were or became special to me. That's a part of them that belongs to me forever. I'm proud of it and I'm sure they'd say the same. I'd call that "real" by any /style standards.


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ORIGINAL: MaitresseEden

Secondly, I agree with the previous poster about the communication issue. I do not understand cutting off communication when that is the area most challenged, nor do I understand not allowing him or thanking him for going above and beyond the expectations. So what if he brings your chocolate, it was thoughtful and caring, One of the things I love most about my dearest is that he always thinks of little things that would please me, and doesn't hesitate to surprise me with anticipating my wants and needs before I articulate them. You must have a relationship outside of the BDSM realm in order to have a sucessful and healthy relationship in my opinion. Why punish yourself and cut yourself off from people whom you supposedly are attracted to?


I'm a firm advocate of exercising your right to walk away, especially when you know you're at the edge reacting in a way that is not necessarily your truth. I'm also a firm believer in the inalienable right to choose not to participate. Choosing those boundaries has to remain an individual thing, though. Sometimes taking time to digest and reflect is not only good, but necessary. Love can understand and withstand it.

My personal philosophy regarding the gifting and attempts to anticipate my desires is similar to yours. Once I feel that I've clearly stated that I don't ask for anything and don't need anything then what trinkets they bring is endearing to me. Just that, endearing. But then, I don't suffer from obligatory guilt.


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ORIGINAL: MaitresseEden

Lastly, just because the pro session didn't feel write, do not interrept it as bad thing, see it as a learning experience. Yes he got his rocks off, So WHAT? if your going to have a healthy relationship you as a Domme have an obligation to see to it that his needs are met as well as your own. Seeing what gets his off is a great deal of knowledge to possess and now it is yours to control and administer. I firmly believe that things must be edifying to BOTH parties in the relationship.. The Domme however controls the mean, quantity and ways.



Yup, reciprocity must be present or sooner or later someone's gonna get really, really tired. Most people are pissy when they're tired. What's the fun in that?


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RE: Need Advice- I'm Stuck and new :( - 1/4/2006 6:57:18 PM   
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Suz, the sub posted in Ask Submissives under Dom/Sub relationship difficulties---have to read them both, its like a Robert Parker mystery.


Oh dear. I've got a budget to balance tonight, it might have to wait until tomorrow.

But THANK you for the clue!

Is Robert Parker a good mystery writer? It's not my genre.

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RE: Need Advice- I'm Stuck and new :( - 1/5/2006 7:10:12 AM   
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I will say one thing...no matter how I explain it ....and I could until I'm blue in the face...sadly, you'll probably never understand the residual issues as a woman. You're a guy and proclaimed submissive at that.



I certainly have some sympathy for you - and also have some sympathy for your putative submissive. That said, comments like the above probably point out one of the reasons the two of you are having trouble. It's pretty obvious the at the root of the issues between the two of you is a lack of clear understanding of what each of you wants and needs, that stemming from an inabilitiy to communicate with each other. That's not a "fault" thing, you might both be otherwise excellent communicators, but the two of you obviously are not speaking the same language (as a side note, my Mistress and I "think" differently, and we each have to work a bit at ensuring we are clear and/or understanding each other - and yes, I work a lot harder at it than She does, because She shouldn't have to work so hard).

You sound dismissive of the poster to whom you are responding merely because he is a man, so can't possibly understand where you're coming from, and because he is submissive. To add insult to injury, you say "proclaimed" submissive as if he might not really be submissive.

Men and women might think differently, but some things are basic. To assume a man could not offer you good advice or insight is foolhardy. This especially true since in part you need insight into how *your* man is hearing you/perceiving you so that you can form your solution to the issues.

Beyond that, just as Dom/mes understand the full dynamics of a D/s relationship, so too do submissives. submissives are not some inferior beings waiting for enlightenment by the grand Dom/mes in their lives.

Your guy is not perfect, but neither are you.

That you think you are superior by virtue of gender and that you consider yourself to be a Domme, and are so dismissive of both males and submissives is part of the underlying problem.

I know you're going to assume I'm male. I'm not.

As for whether I am really submissive? Trust me - my Mistress wouldn't have anything but. She also, however, appreciates me, my intrinsic value, and my value to Her.

sudja



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RE: Need Advice- I'm Stuck and new :( - 1/5/2006 7:13:51 AM   
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And My answer is this: The ONLY reason at THIS point I would care to continue to participate is that it is an excellent learning device for Me. He's My tool to play, experiment and learn on. :) That's My mindset, anyhow. Isn't the definition of a bdsm relationship an exchange of power? Aren't there going to be power struggles? Like I say, it's new and I really have no understanding of other playmates, but that could be in the future.



Your tool to experiment on? Only if you're honest with him that there is no future with him you can see.

Otherwise you are being unethical, and taking advantage of him, his desire to submit, in an inappropriate manner.

sudja




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RE: Need Advice- I'm Stuck and new :( - 1/5/2006 7:36:21 AM   
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Suz, the sub posted in Ask Submissives under Dom/Sub relationship difficulties---have to read them both, its like a Robert Parker mystery.


Please! Spenser is much more literate. ;)

sudja

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RE: Need Advice- I'm Stuck and new :( - 1/5/2006 7:29:42 PM   
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Could there be a better example of why it's important to hear both sides of a story before passing judgement or even giving advice? I would never have imagined the entire story from either post alone, and who knows if we have all the information now. Both were written in a way that would get support for his/her position.

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And My answer is this: The ONLY reason at THIS point I would care to continue to participate is that it is an excellent learning device for Me. He's My tool to play, experiment and learn on. :) That's My mindset, anyhow. Isn't the definition of a bdsm relationship an exchange of power?


I think that any good power exchange relationship should bring satisfaction to both, and that doesn't mean being topped from the bottom either. It sure sounds like you are thinking only of yourself at this point. I think that a relationship that doesn't bring satisfaction to both is an abusive relationship. There is no harm in understanding your submissive and doing what makes he or she satistied. A dominant that only thinks of him/herself is probably probably an abusive person.

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sadly, you'll probably never understand the residual issues as a woman. You're a guy and proclaimed submissive at that.


This is like saying that a parent can not understand the feelings of his/her child because he/she is not a child.

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I don't care what he wrote. Won't even read it.


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I'm done with this thread. I've repeatedly asked people if they'd like to PRIVATE email Me on this matter and I am STILL asking for such.


It sure sounds like you believe that being dominant means not having to listen to your partner or possibly anyone else. A good dominant needs to be both receptive to his/her partner, and also have the ability to act without being petty or selfish. It's important to have the ability to be both receptive and active. I think that a lot of dominants lack the ability to be receptive and a lot of submissives lack the ability to be active. Just an observation.

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RE: Need Advice- I'm Stuck and new :( - 1/5/2006 9:29:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tristan

Could there be a better example of why it's important to hear both sides of a story before passing judgement or even giving advice?


Very true, Tristan. Most posts offer only one side, and solicit advice, or insight. If they didn't...there wouldn't be much discussion in these types of forums at all. This type of thread really gets people reading, AND thinking. Even though it sounds like a most horrible situation around, hearing from both sides now (from reviewing the other thread as well)....I think it's taught us all a little something.

And FYI, the OP has deleted or deactivated her profile.

K

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RE: Need Advice- I'm Stuck and new :( - 1/5/2006 10:19:05 PM   
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I think this is a no brainer and I believe you know it. He needs to be cut loose immediately.

I agree with everyone else. There is a motive.


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