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RE: Harder for a switch guy to find a dom than a sub? - 1/4/2009 6:21:48 PM   
LadyHibiscus


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I feel sorry for those domly doms who would lose their subs if they ever even BOTTOMED.  


Same here. But I've seen these words on this forum (can't remember by whom or which thread though...) "I would lose all respect for my master if I saw him submitting to someone else.) (note "submitting" may have been meant as bottoming or maybe not, I cannot say for sure.)


I have heard those words from women that I love and respect.  They have no explanation, it's just an atavistic reaction.   And it does extend to bottoming, in my experience, or any act that seems "undomly".    So, woe betide the dom who likes to be fucked in the ass... 

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RE: Harder for a switch guy to find a dom than a sub? - 1/4/2009 6:27:21 PM   
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Not a subject I have a great deal of knowledge about, but I dare say that
  1. You may be in a select group and that suitable Dom will be just a little harder to locate than a male sub/slave finds a Dom to collar him.
  2. This could be a matter of demographics too. Similarly there are locations and even states where an old fart like me will find it darned near impossible to find a slave of the service orientation. In other areas you may find Doms willing to at least talk to you and see if something out.



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RE: Harder for a switch guy to find a dom than a sub? - 1/4/2009 6:38:53 PM   
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Personally, I find it a bit of a risk with a switch, although I wouldn't discount someone simply because they were a switch.  I would always have something of a fear of him going outside our relationship for something I was unable to profile him, his desire to switch roles.  I was in a semi-vanilla relationship where we "shared" and I have no desire to repeat that catastrophy.

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RE: Harder for a switch guy to find a dom than a sub? - 1/4/2009 6:40:18 PM   
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I'm a switch male who's been on this site a while now. I've exchanged e-mails with several sub females and have even met a few of them, however I've yet to get any interest from a dom aside from the professionals looking for a donation. Why do you think this is? Why is it harder for a switch to find a dom play partner?


I haven't read through the replies yet, but I did look at your profile and I think that may have something to do with it.

"On the submissive side, I'm interested in strap-on play, foot fetish, body worship, watersports, face sitting, forced cross-dressing, and general services like brushing your hair or making you tea, etc. I'm NOT into the pain, leather, whips aspect of this lifestyle, so if that's important to you then I'm probably not your guy."

The above reads to me, not like someone who is interested in being submissive (i.e. giving up control to me) but rather someone who is interested in several types of play or fetishes and wants to try just experimenting or have them done to him. For myself, and possibly for other dominant women, this is not appealing. We want someone who doesn't come with a list of things they want done to them but instead a list of things they can do for us. I don't mean that it's all about menial labor disguised as service but I'd pick someone as a submissive any day who simply says "I want to serve and devote myself to a woman and find out what makes her happy and allow her to use me as she sees fit" over someone with a paragraph like you have. If what you're really looking for is some experience on the submissive side, that's my take on it.

Best of luck!


Funny, just recently I saw complaints about subs making the kind of statement suggested above. Dominas wrote that a sub saying he would do whatever a woman wanted was unrealistic, so the profile wasn't credible. The sub had to be either lying or incredibly naive. Others say that pleasing the domme is the only thing a sub should care about. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.



Well, I didn't actually use the words "I'll do whatever you want" when describing what I prefer to see in a profile. If I see a one that says "I have no limits and I'll do whatever I'm told" that's a whole other thing than one that puts the focus on wanting to be of service to a woman without demanding certain types of play. I don't see it as a catch 22. There are plenty of ways to list ones preferences and desires for a relationships without making it sound like a "do me" list.

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I see this all the time. Out of all the possible interpretations, the most negative one possible is usually chosen. The profile of the OP could easily be read as one which honestly lists likes and dislikes in the interest of making it easier for dominant women to ascertain compatibility; one that is straightforward instead of nothing but cliches that dommes want to hear.


I don't think there is inherently anything wrong with the OP's profile and I wasn't interpreting it negatively. If I were a woman looking for someone to engage in foot fetishism or watersports with, he'd be a fine choice. However, he's asking why he isn't getting any dominant women interested in him and I was giving him my perspective that his profile comes across as more of a fetishist than a submissive. I'm not the only one to have observed this and perhaps he is not even looking for a dominant but really is looking for a woman to use a strapon on him. I don't think that my pointing out that his emphasis on the play activities may be turning off women who are looking for submissives is a criticism. Just an observation and my opinion which I'm hoping helps him to clarify what he's actually looking for.

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A list of interests is what it is. Likes and dislikes. Information for the domme's benefit. Information that a dominant woman can use to determine compatibility, and/or to use to gain influence the sub in ways that she desires. It's prejudicial reading that turns it into a do-me list.

This is true, to some extent, but when browsing a profile on CM, if I am scouting for a submissive, I'm going to pay attention to the ones that tell me about who they are and maybe what they are looking for, what they have to offer, what makes them unique, and stuff like that. Whereas when all I really have to go on is a list of bdsm interests. If I wanted to use a strapon on someone I could find someone within a few minutes and have a real-life encounter tonight, so it doesn't give me much incentive to say hello or learn more about someone if they don't put forth the effort. That's the way I see it, your mileage may vary. And if someone wants to only list their likes/dislikes that's great but they should be aware of the way it comes across to some of us, even if it's unintentionally so.



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RE: Harder for a switch guy to find a dom than a sub? - 1/4/2009 7:03:47 PM   
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Well, I didn't actually use the words "I'll do whatever you want"

I didn't say you used those words. But if you can convince anyone that there's much difference between those and "allow her to use me as she sees fit", I know of a bridge in Brooklyn that I want to sell to them.

In regard to your overall post, you weren't particularly negative, much of what you wrote had merit, and not everything I wrote was directed at your post. My post digressed onto more general, albeit related, issues.

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RE: Harder for a switch guy to find a dom than a sub? - 1/4/2009 9:08:13 PM   
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Well, I didn't actually use the words "I'll do whatever you want"

I didn't say you used those words. But if you can convince anyone that there's much difference between those and "allow her to use me as she sees fit", I know of a bridge in Brooklyn that I want to sell to them.



I don't have to convince anyone, believe what you want (everyone will in the end.) To me, there is a difference between claiming to be a "no-limits slave" who will "do anything" vs. communicating the desire to give oneself to a dominant to be used the way she wants, not necessarily the way the submissive prefers. If that's not a clear cut difference to you or to anyone else reading this then it's a difference of perception and no amount of explanation will change that.

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RE: Harder for a switch guy to find a dom than a sub? - 1/5/2009 6:42:45 AM   
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I think that switches are misunderstood by many.  Yes, we can be a bit like a chameleon but I always saw that as a positive thing, not a negative.  It does not mean that something will snap in us in the middle of a session and we will suddenly change roles.  I find more fulfillment in being a slave, but I was told by many that I was an excellent Domme.  There are still times when I am tasked with being a Domme for specific situations and I have no problem moving into that mindset. 

It is true - women can be overwhelmed with emails.  When I first joined the site as a Domme I found that the needier the email sounded the more likely I was not to answer.  I personally don't enjoy foot worship, so someone going on and on about how much they wanted to furnish that for me was an instant turn off.

Perhaps you can take a look at how you introduce yourself.  I was most likely to reply to emails that pointed out something specific in my profile or journal that they liked or had a question on.  I purposely kept my interest list short so that I wouldn't become wank fodder.  I wanted something intellectual first.  The other thing that was absolutely necessary for me is to see that the sub was willing to look inside of himself and make new discoveries as we worked together.   I was not impressed at all by people who started emails by telling me how beautiful they thought I was.  I wanted a chance to gain their respect and trust, not to have it immediately laid at my feet because of my role.

When I first approached the man who is now my Master I sent a very simple email.  He lived in my home state but in a city I had never heard of.  I let him know that I used to live in that state and wondered where his city was.  That was it - no immediate offer to submit to him, no compliments on his looks, no comments on his likes or dislikes - just a simple ice breaker.  Things progressed from there and I was able to tell him what I was looking for.  Again, I did not go into great detail about what I was hoping for, did not provide a "wish list", just let him know that I was not a masochist but wanted to explore the other side of the lifestyle.  He was intrigued by my intelligence and my ability to make him laugh.  Dommes enjoy the same things in a sub.




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