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MistressOfGa -> RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties (1/5/2006 4:57:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

That might be because you don't want him reading here the quantities advice posted, which is overwhelmingly sending a clear message: Get AWAY from this woman. I'm thinking you'd rather limit him to PM's (possibly screened by yourself?) so you can control his access to advice running contrary to your wishes.

I personally think he should run for the hills. BDSM has, at its core, honesty, communication and trust. In a word, Integrity. Without that foundation, submission would be impossible. It's pretty clear you possess none of the above attributes.

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ORIGINAL: DommeBMFS
I WILL say that WE are seeking KIND advice from true bdsm LIFESTYLE couples, dominants and submissives who care and we would welcome private mails from here on out.




I agree with Lady Morgan. To keep a submissive from learning all there is and from getting advice which is so badly needed here is wrong. I cant believe that you (Miss) brought your own posting over here where you had asked and encouraged your sub to ask for advice. How in the world is he to feel free to come here and post when you are here contridicting and trying to make him look badly in front of us. You lied. Period. And with this lie, you put your submissive in harms way. Part of your responsibilities as his Domina is to keep him SAFE. You subjected him to your STD. There is no excuse whatsoever for it. My advice, quit acting like you are the injured party here. Most Domina's would give anything to have such a loving caring submissive who tries his best to anticipate your every need. You dont know how lucky you are.

Submissive: RUN! Save yourself before it goes any further. Find a Domina who will appreciate what she has and wont lie to you to get it.




LadyMorgynn -> RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties (1/5/2006 5:29:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DommeBMFS

As soon as I found out about the two threads (thanks AAkasha for pointing out that it 'may be slander') I put a STOP to it IMMEDIATELY.


Did you not post this on the "Ask a Mistress" thread just yesterday:

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I had no idea and think it's GOOD that he is seeking advice as I directed him to. I'm PROUD of him for this. TWO WEEKS for a damn good reason! And we'll get together AFTER that and hash it out. Thanks A/all for your concern.

I'm done with this thread. I've repeatedly asked people if they'd like to PRIVATE email Me on this matter and I am STILL asking for such.


What's the matter? Don't you like the advice he's getting here? What you want is to put a stop to it, now that you've read it and see you're not being portrayed here as you would like... what with all the "little" details you failed to mention in your posts in the Mistress forum being revealed here, so that suddenly you don't look so good anymore. Hopefully you'll really read what's being written, and start not looking so good in your own eyes either, and you can take a good, hard look at yourself and see where you could improve.





BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties (1/5/2006 8:43:59 PM)

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I do need to say one more thing. This is from the man in me, and not the sub. I think the fact that you would openly discuss something like your Domme/Lovers/Wife/GF's sexual medical issues is highly questionable. (Just edited this part of my post out of a desire to be kind). In my humble opinion you may wish to think about editing that post and pray that she did not in fact see it before you do. I simply cannot understand ones motivation in posting such things in a public forum. This, IMHO is not a very loving way to love someone.

That said - best of luck to you.
m
I don't know you, but you just stated the most important thing I noticed in his post.
I don't believe she exposed him to anything buy making him lick through her panties, and as I understand, she did tell him before they've done any direct touching or fucking, so he should be safe.
She should have been more open and honest about her experience, and health, but that is about it.
I find an enormous problem with him revealing her health status here on the boards, and think it conduct unbecoming a gentleman. M




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties (1/5/2006 9:07:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig
I find an enormous problem with him revealing her health status here on the boards, and think it conduct unbecoming a gentleman.[/size] M

One can point out that he never gave any personal identifying information out. She outed herself.




FTopinMichigan -> RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties (1/5/2006 9:21:50 PM)

Here's a huge surprise...for anyone following the soap opera [:D]...er, thread, it's interesting to note the profile of the Domme referred to, has now either been deactivated, or deleted. Hmmmm.

K




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties (1/5/2006 9:22:08 PM)

Sensualips and Akasha figured out it was her before she came and said yes it's me from the other thread. M




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties (1/5/2006 9:24:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FTopinMichigan

Here's a huge surprise...for anyone following the soap opera [:D]...er, thread, it's interesting to note the profile of the Domme referred to, has now either been deactivated, or deleted. Hmmmm.

K

And we're all surprised I'm sure.

Sad but typical story. One can only hope that she gets her life stabilized, and finds her true path instead of lashing out and blaming all others.




Petruchio -> RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties (1/5/2006 9:28:08 PM)

Whew. So much for soap operas.

I don't think she's dom at all. Just in case you're thinking about resuming, remember:

1. She LIED.

2. She LIED and DECEIVED.

3. I'm not sure how much of a domme she is… She sounds more like an angry sub. (Angry because she got infected?)

4. I'm not sure how much of a sub you are, especially if you have issues with subservience. You have taught her how to treat you, now you complain? You may be neither sub nor dom, simply free and confused.

5. She LIED.

I had someone lie to me about herpes and I had been dating her 2-3 months. She said she was afraid she'd have lost me if she was truthful. I was compassionate (damn me!), and tried longer… but the deceptons never ended. Only the affair.




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties (1/5/2006 9:32:51 PM)

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She lied to you...not only about having no experience, but also about not having any diseases. Now granted, herpes is not that bad, and it's treatable...but the fact still remains that she lied. I would now be wondering what ELSE she lied about.

Her attitude change could be a result of her feeling guilty for lying to you...she would rather place the blame on you, then take the responsibility herself. That's just my opinion though.

As to your feelings for her. Well, that is something only you and she can work out. Talk to her, let her know ...be honest...be open...if you are angry about her lying to you, say so...but you need to sit down and discuss this with her
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In my opinion, this bit of advice and post in response to harpomrx to be the least drama-laden, and most sensible of all here. M




subtlesubie -> RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties (1/6/2006 1:05:02 AM)

Those are some threads - not so much a train wreck as a HEAD-ON TRAIN WRECK - WITH TWO SPEEDING TRAINS!!!

The tide has turned against the woman. Just as well that they are kaput. Seems to me that the man isn't really submissive and the woman isn't really dominant. They both just like the fantasy.





Tristan -> RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties (1/6/2006 5:44:15 AM)

Many question the dominance and submissiveness of both posters. I doubt that anyone is completely dominant or submissive. The trick is to find the right balance in any relationship.




MHOO314 -> RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties (1/6/2006 12:06:30 PM)

That relationship appeared to be way unbalanced, lets hope they either right it or move on--




AAkasha -> RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties (1/6/2006 12:35:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tristan

Many question the dominance and submissiveness of both posters. I doubt that anyone is completely dominant or submissive. The trick is to find the right balance in any relationship.


The "trick" is to communicate and be honest. We saw two sides of a difficult story and who knows where the reality really is. The one thing that could have improved the situation -- more communication.

There's a huge challenge when someone can't communicate because they don't know what they are feeling. Despite all the more obvious rights/wrongs with the entire situation, the one thing I read between the lines that was a catalyst for the entire blow up was the dominant's growing *resentment* toward her submissive.

She expressed it through anger and confusion and used detachment (don't talk to me for two weeks) as a response. She has "femdom feelings" there's no doubt, but maybe doesn't understand them completely yet.

Resentment is extremely destructive for a femdom. The knee jerk reaction is to turn into a "bitch" and try to "bitch slap" the sub into *knocking it off* (whatever the behavior is) instead of telling him simply "What you are doing is making me uncomfortable."

Where does this resentment come from? In my point of view:

** Resentment that he brought over/loaned/gave femdom videos to her and watched them with her. This makes a woman feel like he is saying, "I want you to be like this." He thought of it as helpful and educational.

** Taking her to see a pro femdom. Same as above, but more intimate, and more "in your face". Wow, check out this stunning goddess I forked over a grand to -- see, THIS is what I like! Oh yeah, and I like you too!

** Gifts. It smacks of "I'm richer than you" to a woman who seems to be humble and poor and money is a trigger in a bad way. It creates a feeling of obligation.

** (speculation) A sub with a lot of experience with pro femdoms has a lot of experiences to talk about. I did this,I did that, oh guess what so and so did to me, oh I paid her this to do that to me, this one time she did that to me and it was mindblowing, ohh I've done x, y z so many times.... -- comparisons grate on femdoms when they are new and learning.

A new femdom reacts to her growing resentments by point a finger and saying "you're topping from the bottom! You're using me! You just want me to be a fantasy object! You only want it your way!" -- and, best of all, "You are NOT a true sub!"

She is saying, "You are not a true sub," because what she is feeling is, "I feel inadequate, out of control, manipulated and uncomfortable. Not empowered. Therefore, you are screwed up."

What can solve all of this? Communication. My first couple experiences with submissives (after dominating vanillas who came with no agenda and no knowledge) were very bumpy and frustrating because I couldn't figure out what I was so impatient and resentful and always feeling manipulated and used.

I learned how to tell subs to leave their expectations, agendas and experiences at the door unless I asked about it. I told them they'd learn to appreciate *my* style or find another partner. I told them I would hear about their fantasies, but not be expected to act upon them. Most of all I told them to let me go at my own pace.

It really isn't easy dealing with overzealous subs out of the gate. Throw in a lack of communication and it's a recipe for disaster.

Akasha




MstrssSatin -> RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties (5/31/2006 11:11:18 AM)

harpo darling, run...  This woman is not a Mistress, she is playing out a fantasy and you are her puppet. A true Mistress would encourage and nuture your growth and learning in all aspects. your responsibility is to serve, but her responsiblity is to nuture, guide and protect you, she has not done that. Find a Mistress that is worthy of your gift of submission. Good luck and please be safe. 




mellian -> RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties (5/31/2006 9:02:14 PM)

Oi, this reminds me to much of my first relationship. As it was said, trust is really important, so does communication, so if someone shows again and again that they are not able to communicate and be trusted, better to just leave them and leave the drama behind.

-mellian




theRose4U -> RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties (5/31/2006 9:31:49 PM)

There were so many flags in the first 2 pages of this post...almost 5 months ago that I'm frankly shocked to hear that it took 5 months for you to move on. Kind of confused by the logistics of how oral turned into herpes but I guess it's safe to assume an intimate relationship...though I really wonder why.
If you realized early on that there were problems and more and more and more. You probably could have avoided a lot of sleepless nights, money in tribute and a gift that keeps on giving. You might seriously investigate chastity as this is something that you're likely to become very familier with in your next relationship if your new mistress can get past it.
Last time I checked being a domme was about building up what's yours and spanking it for the enjoyment of both. Treating you like garbage, taking advantage and tossing you aside once you've been used up normally is something out of your videos. Too bad it took this long to learn your lesson. You now have a punishment no domme would think of dishing out.




babysburnin -> RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties (5/31/2006 10:22:10 PM)

Yuck - who needs the headache?  Isn't BDSM about trust?  Lies have already tainted the relationship - call me a purest...but lies have infected the "foundation" of the house...why keep building on unstable ground?  (Bad investment.)




CrappyDom -> RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties (5/31/2006 10:41:41 PM)

FUCKING BAIL OUT NOW

I am usually all for trying to work things out but the woman lied to you on just about every issue including STDs!.   You are young and good looking, move on.

Find a local group, buy some non fiction BDSM books, learn more about what you are doing so you can better spot idiots next time.




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties (6/1/2006 1:03:00 AM)

So are you the same person with a different name from your initial post (harpomrx) still dwelling on this old drama?    M




Lashra -> RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties (6/1/2006 5:12:28 AM)

She lied to you about something very important. Who's to say she isnt HIV positive and she was too *ashamed* to tell you? How does she expect you to trust her with your life if she's already done something like this?
Sorry but in my opinion sweep her under the carpet and keep looking. It sounds like she's got mental issues that you don't need to be bothered with. For some reason she feels its ok for her to lie and manipulate you and that will continue and escalate as time goes on.

~Lashra




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