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RE: More on German human rights... - 1/12/2009 5:50:51 PM   
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well there you go....I guess we shall have to agree to disagree.  Not sure where you see thousands of lives at risk in the cited instance though.  So one person thinks that warrants or court orders are unneccessary, any other comments on it?


Actually what you are seeing in the case of this female that would fold under the pressure is the slave's morality. Ironically a condition explained in the social philosophies of a German. Her statements bend to the appeasement of the dominant party. The BBW calls herself a domme and yet her comments allude to the contrary; a switch perhaps?

What is important to remember is that Germans have taken these mob rule routes before. Das Bier Hall Putsch. I suppose some will be writing a book about their head now.

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RE: More on German human rights... - 1/12/2009 5:57:01 PM   
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Sheep Slave mentality. So you only care if they take something you care about? The fact that they took something that they had no right to is cool? As long as it's something insignificant? Well this time anyway.


Again, even if it were something significant, if thousands of people were attacking a building, where I was not the only resident, and taking an item out of view would make them calm down, I don't have an issue with it.

Call it whatever you want kiddo, but I was raised to believe that peoples safety trumps everything else. I can see where both sides are coming from, and I think it's really shitty that they had to take down the flag, but no one was hurt. In exigent circumstances, like when they think there is an immediate danger present, a warrant isn't necessary (in the states anyways, I'm assuming there's something similar in Germany).


I guess your glad they took those pesky rights away from ya huh? You might have hurt somebody with them.

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RE: More on German human rights... - 1/12/2009 5:57:49 PM   
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I agree with Canadomme, and I am pro-Israel. The immediate problem is how to keep the peace. The Polizei did it in the fastest, most sensible way possible. I've spent some time in Deutschland, and I don't mean being stationed at Rammstein and going into town to drink beer being my only contact with the People (damn near all of the people who have served in Germany in the military that I have met can't speak a word of German. They might as well have been at Ft. Bragg). Germans don't have the same view of "Free Speech" that we have. 

I can see this is futile.


You are correct about the German culture being different than that of the American, no big shock there. Might be part of the reason us dumb ass Americans have bases there.

Nur ein schwein trinkt alein.... Ich bin ein Bamberger....

I actually wouldn' agree with your comment, at least in my experience. But hey, that's only experience on my part.

I guess that doesn't count all of us.

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RE: More on German human rights... - 1/12/2009 6:00:58 PM   
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IMO the mob people need to learn tolerance for the rights of others since they expect (demand) the same.  THAT'S hypocrisy.
 
 




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RE: More on German human rights... - 1/12/2009 6:17:26 PM   
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I agree with Canadomme, and I am pro-Israel. The immediate problem is how to keep the peace. The Polizei did it in the fastest, most sensible way possible. I've spent some time in Deutschland, and I don't mean being stationed at Rammstein and going into town to drink beer being my only contact with the People (damn near all of the people who have served in Germany in the military that I have met can't speak a word of German. They might as well have been at Ft. Bragg). Germans don't have the same view of "Free Speech" that we have. 

I can see this is futile.


You are correct about the German culture being different than that of the American, no big shock there. Might be part of the reason us dumb ass Americans have bases there.

Nur ein schwein trinkt alein.... Ich bin ein Bamberger....

I actually wouldn' agree with your comment, at least in my experience. But hey, that's only experience on my part.

I guess that doesn't count all of us.
And that's only experience on my part. I exaggerated for dramatic effect, but not by much.
Ich glaube, dass man würde normalerweise sagen, "Ich bin Bamberger". Dieser Artikel erklärt warum.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/cs/historical/a/jfk_berliner_2.htm

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RE: More on German human rights... - 1/12/2009 6:57:18 PM   
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So let me be clear.  Europe is no better or worse than America or any other place.  There are great people living everywhere.  And some real Bastards everywhere. 


Wellllll .... I kinda disagree.

I know you are trying to be open, and inclusive, so as to attempt to maintain a semblance of rational discussion.

Pretty much wasting your time, I'm afraid.

So ....

The US is better than just about any other place.

Plain on the nose on your face!

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RE: More on German human rights... - 1/12/2009 11:25:55 PM   
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If my freedom of expression is putting other people in my building at risk; go for it. Seriously. I would not be upset. I would probably have the good sense to take it down before police had to intervene though.


let's not confuse freedom of expression with aggression.



And lets not confuse freedom of expression with admitting the decision to incite violence or provoke negative association.
 
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RE: More on German human rights... - 1/13/2009 12:10:28 AM   
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RE: More on German human rights... - 1/13/2009 3:00:04 AM   
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  The lack of trees was very pronounced to me.


you were serious about this? I didn't understand that..sorry.
There are so many woods..even in the main industrial area...the Ruhrgebiet.
Bayern has big woods...The Black forest is one big forest spreading over a whole state.
Yes..there are parts in the middle that are grasslands. But in general..there are many trees.

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RE: More on German human rights... - 1/13/2009 5:27:26 AM   
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RE: More on German human rights... - 1/13/2009 6:01:37 AM   
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RE: More on German human rights... - 1/13/2009 6:09:21 AM   
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Isn't the entire purpose of political protest to provoke a negative association?



No

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RE: More on German human rights... - 1/13/2009 6:59:09 AM   
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  The lack of trees was very pronounced to me.


you were serious about this? I didn't understand that..sorry.
There are so many woods..even in the main industrial area...the Ruhrgebiet.
Bayern has big woods...The Black forest is one big forest spreading over a whole state.
Yes..there are parts in the middle that are grasslands. But in general..there are many trees.



There are 48 trees on my city lot.  I planted them.  :-)    I have more trees then some towns.

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RE: More on German human rights... - 1/13/2009 9:54:19 AM   
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BBW canadomme, remember that when a kink hating mob comes to take away your right of free expression....

How can you say its not so much as acceptable?   They did it.

The law entered and took with no warrant...to appease a mob.


On ships on the water there is one of the "Rules of the road" called "The Prudential Rule" which states that you can basically do anything to prevent a collision between two ships or to prevent a ship from going aground.

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RE: More on German human rights... - 1/13/2009 10:00:37 AM   
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The US is better than just about any other place.

Plain on the nose on your face!



....i'm pretty sure that an excerpt of the lyrics from Larry the Cable Guy's country and western album isn't it?

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RE: More on German human rights... - 1/13/2009 10:34:00 AM   
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  The lack of trees was very pronounced to me.


you were serious about this? I didn't understand that..sorry.
There are so many woods..even in the main industrial area...the Ruhrgebiet.
Bayern has big woods...The Black forest is one big forest spreading over a whole state.
Yes..there are parts in the middle that are grasslands. But in general..there are many trees.


Oh come on JustDarkness, I've been hearing rumours that you lot on the other side of Venlo have been nicking trees again....

... and garden gnomes.

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RE: More on German human rights... - 1/13/2009 10:37:02 AM   
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The US is better than just about any other place.

Plain on the nose on your face!



....i'm pretty sure that an excerpt of the lyrics from Larry the Cable Guy's country and western album isn't it?


Is it?!

OHMYGawdohmygawdgottagoandgetitrightnow ...

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RE: More on German human rights... - 1/13/2009 10:40:36 AM   
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Oh come on JustDarkness, I've been hearing rumours that you lot on the other side of Venlo have been nicking trees again....

... and garden gnomes.

stella



lol.....psssssssssssss don't tell every one I collect the cute garden gnomes....and smurfs :P

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RE: More on German human rights... - 1/13/2009 11:49:52 PM   
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Isn't the entire purpose of political protest to provoke a negative association?



No.  Why on earth would you want to make a political protest that purposefully provokes unrest or people to turn against you or see your affiliations or groups in the negative, instead of provoke change?  Seriously, what is the point?  That any attention is good attention, even the bad attention?  That might be said for small factions and immature people like the people hanging that flag but for genuine causes and those that have fought oppression and human rights issues, not so much.
 
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RE: More on German human rights... - 1/14/2009 1:57:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		It seemed to me that the crowd, by it's chanting was trying to create a negative association to Isreal.  A protest allways is about saying something is negative.   As opposed to a rally which is about promoting something.  Both are a desire towards change.  Words have meaning.

Here's an update, especially for those who doubted the reality of the event.  http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,601122,00.html

Milli Gorus the organizers, are refusing comment, and the leader is out of the country/unavailable.  The group is under survielance by German Intelligence groups, for a host of crimes and connections to radicals.  They are openly anti democratic.  Apperantly an ethnic Turkish muslim group.

People hung around for hours after , and one his guests had "shit Jew" yelled at him.  The Police ordered the friend to leave.   Hours after the Mob was gone.

At least some people in Germany are reacting, "The state chapter of the center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD) wants a discussion about the police actions to take place in the state parliament in Düsseldorf. ...

"The central question is this: Why was the potential for danger during the protest so underestimated that police were forced into a situation in which they had to concede to the demands of violent (protesters) rather than (protect) the right to the freedom of speech of others?"

A very good question....

And P has to hire a lawyer to get someone to fix his door,  which is ok with some people who Fight oppression and  for Human Rights Issues....




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