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DavanKael -> RE: That first home visit... (1/12/2009 1:51:42 PM)

Jewel----
I am so sorry for you and yours that this happened.
I was just reading a book I've read many times ("Time Enough for Love" by Robert Heinlein) where the main character runs into some senseless stealing and essentially states that the individuals were surplus population.  As others have suggested, the individual likely was just randomly stealing meds.  And, again, as has been suggested, that's some serious junkie behavior.  Not good to have around you and yours, though I know that is little comfort to you when you have invested your time and emotions in a person. 
Hang in there, 
  Davan




ChainGoddess -> RE: That first home visit... (1/12/2009 2:08:48 PM)

I am so very sorry that you had this awful experience.  So many lousy people in this world,  but also a lot of good people. 
Best wishes to you.




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: That first home visit... (1/12/2009 2:40:37 PM)

There are some things that we are pretty anal-retentive about. Meds are one of them, and toys are another. My general policy is that if we're going to have someone coming to or staying in the house that we -generally trust- but haven't seen in a while or who only comes around occasionally (including people like the housekeeping service or the plumber, etc.), or someone new that we're considering as a new potential member of the household, we put up anything that might be 'tempting' -- prescriptions, adult toys... we even harvest the ripe or near-ripe fruits off our garden plants, since we've had people who had legitimate reason to be in our house, and who were bonded professionals, or whom we knew and trusted, clean some of the plants in our garden -bare- on their way out. It's not that we wouldn't -share-, but some people seem to be under the impression that, because you've invited them in, that gives them carte blanche to make use of, borrow, or abscond with things that they find that might make their lives easier and more pleasant... and, without any malice intended... it just seems like, for some reason, and in some individuals, the idea of -asking- just doesn't really creep into their forebrains.

Because I tend to have some casual play-partners for particular activities, we've also set aside areas of our home that are more... visitor-friendly. Folks can pretty much touch anything we leave out in those areas, and if something is damaged or comes up missing, we're not going to have a freak-fest about it.

One thing that taught us how to manage our private things vs. the things we don't care if visitors mess with was having teenagers. These young adults have this peculiar idea that, because you gave birth to them and are providing their shelter, clothing, and food, that anything -you- have, they're entitled to as well... and feel no compulsion to ask first... they just -take-. No matter how many times we corrected them, and despite earstwhile attempts to inculcate proper manners by multiple methods, they were constantly "borrowing" things that we didn't particularly want to share. Even little things, like special cheeses or something that I'd buy for myself, knowing that NOBODY else in the house claimed to like it... and then going for it later and finding it gone, only to have one of the teens whine "but I wanted something -different-, and it had been there for 5 whole days and YOU hadn't eaten it..." That taught us, pretty quickly, about things like 'borrow-proofing' our home, and we use that same technique when we have visitors whom we know, but who we don't really have enough experience with yet to know whether they have the same sense of proper 'visitor decorum' and good manners that we use when -we- visit people.




littlewonder -> RE: That first home visit... (1/12/2009 3:00:02 PM)

Why would I invite someone into my home that I don't trust or I feel I need to keep an eye on? If I need to do that then I've got a couple screws loose imo.

Then again I'm a mom and thus not just anyone gets through my front door let alone learns where I live.




ShiftedJewel -> RE: That first home visit... (1/12/2009 3:19:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Why would I invite someone into my home that I don't trust or I feel I need to keep an eye on? If I need to do that then I've got a couple screws loose imo.

Then again I'm a mom and thus not just anyone gets through my front door let alone learns where I live.



Why would anyone? That wasn't the question, the question was... what kind of precautions do you take when you are having that first visit to your home from someone that you have lots of reasons to trust?
 
Jewel




littlewonder -> RE: That first home visit... (1/12/2009 3:55:30 PM)

None. I don't take any. Why would I if I trust him? <is really confused by this>





Twicehappy2x -> RE: That first home visit... (1/12/2009 6:03:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

One thing that taught us how to manage our private things vs. the things we don't care if visitors mess with was having teenagers. These young adults have this peculiar idea that, because you gave birth to them and are providing their shelter, clothing, and food, that anything -you- have, they're entitled to as well... and feel no compulsion to ask first... they just -take-.


LMAO.......i had three of those things home at one point in time, you are sooooo right on spot with this observation.




DavanKael -> RE: That first home visit... (1/12/2009 8:39:22 PM)

I realized I did not answer your question about precautions, Jewel.  If I consider the person a partner or something equivalent, I don't take any precautions.  I want them to be comfortable and I trust them at a particular level.  Having a key to and/or being left alone in my home is a particular sign of high regard. 
There are times when people I have trusted less have been allowed in my home rather unfettered but it put me on edge.  My ex- and I had a relationship with a couple of friends who we allowed to live with us briefly as they were intending to relocate across country; I cringed every time I left them in the house as the level of trust wasn't there.
My biggest concerns in allowing someone into my home are:
1)My personal safety (And the safety of anyone else living there)
2)The safety of my pets
3)The security of valuables
4)The condition of the house; the potential for material damage
1&2 are hunting down and hurting offenses if breached, 3&4 less so. 
I think maybe you are attempting to examine where you went wrong with the person who visited. 
Sometime one can not know.  Sometimes people just suck. 
There are lots of good ones out there too, though. 
Take care,
  Davan




MissAnimus -> RE: That first home visit... (1/12/2009 8:50:15 PM)

Fortunately this isn't a problem for me because no one seems to want the crappy lawn chairs I call living room furniture. [:'(]




joy4u2use -> RE: That first home visit... (1/12/2009 10:12:45 PM)

op, i really feel for you, i have a hard time trusting people even people i love with all my heart, but now i live in a building with high security so my lawn chairs are safe lol !!!! just kidding really i have been ripped off big time. And my only child allowed it to happen. you just have to keep things safe.
be well & safe
in peace
joy/654-049-049




MasterblasterIV -> RE: That first home visit... (1/13/2009 12:30:48 AM)

quote:

what precautions do you (the generic you) take when having someone from the other side of the kneel, a potential partner, over to your home for the very first time?


Unless someone wanted to bolt down and lock up everything possible that can be in their home I not sure if any “special precaution” could be taken...

Whenever we allow another person in our personal environment we extend a degree of trust (by choice) which allows a possible trial albeit negative or positive in it’s outcome. What I am trying to state is sometimes due to an event or social setting we must allow some amount of trust (or risk)  in the hopes that we have trusted our instincts and personal knowledge of that person. If there is a negative outcome (from this visit albeit the 1st 2nd or 3rd time) I for one would look at myself and then wonder if I might have missed something when I come to that point of trusting them. Wondering about the other person is simple insomuch that they stole something and now can be label a thief but what would worry me more so is my own accountability of this situations and can I learn how to better evaluate those whom I place my trust in...      




MsMillgrove -> RE: That first home visit... (1/13/2009 1:55:59 AM)

What difference does precaution make?  The loss is replaceable.. the "stuff" is just stuff. The damage, the true loss is of trust.  The visitor in the house proved he cannot be trusted. 

That is a serious loss, especially when so much care and attention was given to him ahead of time, the precautions presumably were already taken--he was considered worthy of a home visit.

All the fuss on the "how did it happen", " when did it happen", "how do we be sure it doesn't occur again, what do others do"......  What's the point of those distractions?  Fussing will only raise your stress levels.  You took reasonable precautions, what others do doesn't matter, it happened.

The sadness is over the real loss, the hopes dashed, the investment wasted.  The potential sub proved himself untrustworthy, a man who wasted your time and affection, who doesn't deserve any place with you. 

When I opened the thread I was excited to read the followup..to hear how well it went. And of course it went disastrously.  Not what I'd hoped for and many miles away from what Jewel and her husband planned. 

Everyone feels your real loss, which was cannot be prevented; it can happen again.  That's where hope comes in...that you and all who care for you hope that next time there will be a happier report recorded here.

Most of us on both sides have had our hopes dashed too, have discovered the unworthy have stolen our time and attention which are more valuable  than our "stuff".  It's hard to accept and even harder to take another chance, but we have to keep trying, listening to our intuition and bringing a bright spirit to the next chance. 

Here's hoping that you after this time of comforting each other, you will soon to look forward to another try.




Underumam -> RE: That first home visit... (1/13/2009 3:50:54 AM)

I am the person that Jewel is talking about on this thread. I am NOT a thief. I do not know where she keeps her meds, and definitely wouldn't want to take them. To what ends? I have my own money. I paid for my trip there and back.

I don't know what happened with this whole fiasco. One minute we were parting company so that I could return home for a while to take care of some loose ends, and the next minute Jewel blocks me and is accusing me of stealing. It's a shame. I won't stay here and argue point after point, as there's quite simply- no point. So I'll state a bit of it just ONCE. Do with it, what you will.

I explained that my cell phone was dead(yes-pay phones could be used- I'm wrong for not calling her), my brothers' plans changed and he no longer needed his truck( I own a rental property in Pittsburgh and re-routed there for the night), and that I was talking with a certain Domme here for the past month or so, but stopped the month before. Some people are really making mountains out of mole hills with this one. I don't expect how Jewel can possibly expect to "micro-manage and have me account for every minute of my time time in the two days since leaving her place. Now she won't even confront me face to face, but sends her pit bull wife after me.

I'm done considering myself part of anything that has to do with these people's poly household. I can only hope that others here don't feel that I'm a thief/ liar/ dishonest person.

Jewel, if you honestly don't want continue seeing where our future might lead- fine. It hurts a bit, but I can accept that. Calling me a thief,a liar, and other such none-sense is just plain wrong.

I also have met and stayed with TWO other Dommes from this site who can verify my integrity if anyone needs to check. One of whom still has a profile here.Just email me. I also met a Domme over five years ago from here who I lived with for over four years. I am verifiably real, and have had an account here since 2002.




Underumam -> RE: That first home visit... (1/13/2009 4:25:53 AM)

And further more- I'm not sure what happened to your meds Jewel. I'm NOT diabetic, and most definitely have no need of them. Things sometimes get misplaced, or "kicked under the hutch". Until you know a little bit more thru time, it's just plain wrong to openly accuse someone of stealing in this way. You and I talked for several hours, and you KNOW I'm a spiritual person with a good heart. I'm a former minister, and have made it my life's goal to help others in whatever way is asked of me. While not many here know me personally, there are MANY in real life who do, and would not believe a single word of what you have said.

I guess there's much peril involved with a subbie who makes a house visit as well. Stealing is not only wrong, it's against the law! Accusations like this can land a person in jail in case you didn't know...

Since  I didn't take them,(unless someone else did), I'm sure they'll show up sooner or later and I'll expect a full apology at that time. And be sure forgiveness will be forthcoming because THAT'S HOW I AM.............

I'm also in classes at the university almost all day, so don't take my absence as "hiding". I have NOTHING to hide. I'll check back later.




KatyLied -> RE: That first home visit... (1/13/2009 6:48:42 AM)

I understand you wanting to defend yourself, but this thread is quickly going the way of:
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RedMagic1 -> RE: That first home visit... (1/13/2009 7:13:04 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

I understand you wanting to defend yourself, but this thread is quickly going the way of:
[sm=jerry.gif]


Yeah.  You know that other thread, ShiftedJewel?  Titled "I know I shouldn't really be doing this, but..."  Well, next time, you might listen to that voice telling you not to do it.  ("It" being posting publicly before the first date even happens.)

If this is a simple misunderstanding, it would be a lot easier to fix without there being a permanent public record in internetland.

Maybe there's some male/female inequality here.  I think if I posted complaints about women I've dated, people would have less respect for me, especially if it was public knowledge who I was talking about.  I know I'd have less respect for myself, because I agree with the notion that "a gentleman doesn't tell."  I think the way to get advice from the boards -- or give it by telling stories about bad relationships -- is to keep identities of people out of it.




ShiftedJewel -> RE: That first home visit... (1/13/2009 7:14:00 AM)

Yeah, not a direction I wanted it to go. I stated the question as hypothetically as I could and it went downhill from there. I honestly don't know what happened or if anything happened. All I know is that right now I'm in emotional turmoil so I'm doing what I do best in these situations... I'm just gonna shut down for a bit and let my emotions heal themselves so that hopefully I'll be able to think more clearly.
 
Thank you all for your replies.
 
Jewel




Carmeldelight -> RE: That first home visit... (1/13/2009 7:15:52 AM)

I rented a room to a person my God child told me had good personality but I have found out he is a thief. A friend of mine who defeated cancer gave me a Cannon camera over 18 years ago as a Christmas gift. The person who I rented the room to stole the camera to pay men my back rent, once he lost his job. The sad thing is he now will be homeless in a few days because I have put him out of my home.  If a person has no class the person has no class and the person who stole your medication had no class. Also remember this WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND. These days payback is coming faster than it use to be, I would tell this person that I know that he took my medication, then tell him as the Lord forgives me for my trespasses I forgive you. Then say a prayer for this man and move on with your life. Put this person in the Lords hands.   




FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: That first home visit... (1/13/2009 8:16:53 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ShiftedJewel
They head home and days go by (just a few days) and there is no contact, no indication that they even made it home safely, then one morning you get up and go to grab something (like meds that you have to take daily) and they are gone... just gone. You know they were there, daily, keep you alive stuff, is something you tend to keep track of.
 
How does the rest of the world handle things like that? I know that we keep a close eye on our valuables whenever someone we don't know very well is coming over, and pain meds are pretty much always locked up, purses and wallets are put up for safe keeping, but what about the little stuff that you really don't see as being interesting to other people? What kind of precautions do you take when having that s-type or D-type to your home for the first time?
 
Jewel
I tend to go with trusting until I have reason to distrust, but that is also because stuff is not as important as people in my life. I don't live like a paranoid person and it is a choice of mine to keep that outlook despite knowing some sleazy humans and being disappointed in them on occasion.

How would I deal? Just call the doctor and ask for new prescriptions, and nod my head at the nonsensical part of it all; there are crazy people out there, and I'm grateful for you my friend that he wasn't a dangerous kind of crazy, just a weird one. M




Underumam -> RE: That first home visit... (1/13/2009 9:20:41 AM)

I try not to drag others name's around on the net. Red Magic, I know EXACTLY what you're referring to in your last comment.

For me, the matter's finished. (unless others want to keep propagating this stupidity). It's really too bad about the missing meds, but hey, we all misplace things from time to time. If Jewel needed money to replace them, I'd give it to her. (who wouldn't?)

I'm just really disappointed that things went south so fast. I honestly was falling for Jewel, and other than a few minor details, I thought everything was just great. She was someone I honestly could "see" spending my life with. The lifestyle her and Scooter have going fit me to a T.  There was/is some "outside interference" going on here, and what I thought was just distortion and rudeness in our group conversations, seems to be rearing its head in daily affairs as well. I'm not referring to Scooter and Jewel here.

Anyhow, I'm feeling very fortunate that this showed itself before I tried to permanently relocate. That would have totally sucked the bag.. I wish them all well, and that they can their lives exactly how they want it for themselves.




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