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RE: Tributes and Genuine Dommes - 1/19/2009 11:43:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Venatrix
It's okay, Sea.  I'm getting used to the fact that some people in BDSM need to analyse things to death.  As Descartes once said, "I think, therefore I drive everybody else around me up the wall." 


I have analyzed your aversion to serious discussions and concluded you have a phobia of being taken seriously.

Cheers,

Sea


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RE: Tributes and Genuine Dommes - 1/19/2009 11:47:36 PM   
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Time to shake booty:
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Do you have video recording of all this dancing?   Some of us might want to watch booties shakin' and all.   M

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RE: Tributes and Genuine Dommes - 1/19/2009 11:58:22 PM   
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Regarding justifications for tribute, if one demanding tribute would just say, hey I am charging tribute because I can, I would have no argument

Who are we kidding?  Would you really not still find it opportunistic and unfair?


There are two independent points. If it is opportunism, I won't call bullshit if it is not presented as something else. That is a point by itself.

Whether the opportunism is unfair or not depends on the movation and story behind it. That is a separate point.

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What if the tribute were a demand that he not masturbate for 6weeks?


Per the definition I am using for tribute here, by my book that would not be called a tribute. In my book that would instead be called unrealistic ;-)

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Greed is certainly not a fem dom phenomenom.


Of course, it is not. I described it as a human phenomenon in my post.

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How many of us are perfectly congruent all of the time?   Who never takes shortcuts?   Do all of us always return the money when given incorrect change?   Do we always tell the truth?    Is the truth as you see it the same for all the folks you think are doing something immoral/unethical?   I'm fairly judgemental, but I'm not always sure.  Are you?    M


Good philosophical question. I am glad to see you are not afraid of meaty analysis like Venatrix ;-)

It's hard to speak of absolutes when it comes to morals. While still difficult, it is comparatively easier to speak of ethics. My comments spoke of a metric that makes a persons actions consistent with that person's values; if that person is fine with the same action being done unto a loved one or self, then that consistency is there.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Tributes and Genuine Dommes - 1/20/2009 12:02:40 AM   
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2) Many subs are so cheap it seems that they are using "possibly being scammed or used for their money" as a reason to push back and thrown a tantrum at the mere suggestion that as part of courting or adoration, they may be expected to open their wallet now and then and/or provide some means of financial support in a potential *relationship*.


Whoah. This may actually be the straw that breaks my 13-year-long Akasha obsession Thanks!!


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RE: Tributes and Genuine Dommes - 1/20/2009 12:06:43 AM   
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Time to shake booty:

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Does this dancing make my ass look small?

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Tributes and Genuine Dommes - 1/20/2009 12:10:40 AM   
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Do you have video recording of all this dancing?   Some of us might want to watch booties shakin' and all.   M


Sorry, I don't. But I do a cam show at midnight every February 29th!

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Tributes and Genuine Dommes - 1/20/2009 4:49:50 AM   
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I know a lot of femdoms on here that are not interested in tributes or gifts. I actually prefer to be the one buying the toys and paying for things. But I do expect a tribute of time, consideration and patience from potential subs, and it seems more are interested in how soon I will make them wear panties or shove something in their ass.  If I tell them I'm only interested in *talking* in initial stages, they want to talk about what will happen when I make them wear panties or what kind of item I would shove in their ass. 


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RE: Tributes and Genuine Dommes - 1/20/2009 4:57:59 AM   
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I'm outraged at that slur and feel obliged to defend Venatrix's good name, Sea.  I'm sure Venatrix's analysis of meaty things is very extensive.

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RE: Tributes and Genuine Dommes - 1/20/2009 5:58:49 AM   
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I'm sure Venatrix's analysis of meaty things is very extensive.



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RE: Tributes and Genuine Dommes - 1/20/2009 6:06:42 AM   
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But I do expect a tribute of time, consideration and patience from potential subs


Perhaps some of the disconnect over this issue occurs from how the term is used broadly. I would not describe the above behavior as tribute. After all, a domme also gives time, consideration and patience and it does not mean she is giving the sub a tribute as a gesture of submission.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Tributes and Genuine Dommes - 1/20/2009 6:36:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: undergroundsea

Time to shake booty:

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix
It's okay, Sea.  I'm getting used to the fact that some people in BDSM need to analyse things to death.  As Descartes once said, "I think, therefore I drive everybody else around me up the wall." 


I have analyzed your aversion to serious discussions and concluded you have a phobia of being taken seriously.

Cheers,

Sea



It's a cultural issue.  The British as a whole have an aversion to taking themselves too seriously.  It's just not the done thing.  You know, like putting ice in your tea.

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RE: Tributes and Genuine Dommes - 1/20/2009 6:40:53 AM   
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I'm sure Venatrix's analysis of meaty things is very extensive.


Indeed, it is.  Even if I do sometimes need a magnifying glass. 

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RE: Tributes and Genuine Dommes - 1/20/2009 6:51:42 AM   
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Almost everybody has career responsibilities and other life responsibilities yet they find time for whatever relationship, recreation, or social outlets they have. Thus, the argument that a submissive must relieve a domme of her responsibilities so that she may have time to play does not resonate with me. After all, the submissive also has responsibilities and is still making time for play


She said they serve her financially (I believe).   She didn't say I only make time for them because they serve me financially.    That is why I thought your response was something of an attempt at getting an explanation about her consensual relationship with her slaves, where none should be necessary.   I didn't take it as a general stamtement, because you were specifically replying to her. * (trying no to mention names anymore).*


I distinguish between two issues in my posts: (1) unbenign motivations, and (2) a justification that does not appeal to me intellectually.

It seems you are reading the post above as if it is directed at motivation--it is not meant as such. It is directed at the justification.

Whether my question about the justification (that having multiple relationships necessitates tribute) has basis or not in this case, I do not know. Generally speaking, if someone is to spend 14 hours each day with 2-3 slaves and arises at 8, that would go non-stop from 8 am to 10 pm, which leaves little time for anything beyond coordinating schedules of the 3 slaves (which itself must be very complex since they work) and doing all that is done. It then becomes a chicken and egg matter with respect to which issue came first--a need for tribute because that much time is given, or the need to give that much time so as to achieve what all is desired--and the answer may vary from scenario to scenario.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Tributes and Genuine Dommes - 1/20/2009 6:57:53 AM   
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I'm sure Venatrix's analysis of meaty things is very extensive.

Indeed, it is.  Even if I do sometimes need a magnifying glass
Why do you sound like you're having more fun than I am, with analyzing meaty things and all?   Except for the needing a magnifying glass part, yikes!    M

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RE: Tributes and Genuine Dommes - 1/20/2009 9:46:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMAAM1

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
I'm sure Venatrix's analysis of meaty things is very extensive.

Indeed, it is.  Even if I do sometimes need a magnifying glass
Why do you sound like you're having more fun than I am, with analyzing meaty things and all?   Except for the needing a magnifying glass part, yikes!    M


For me, all this analysis just takes the fun out of BDSM, largely because people are trying to reconcile activities and thought processes that are inherently unreconcileable.  I'd rather concentrate on having a satisfying time with BDSM rather than brooding about it.  I find that the first step is to ignore Sea's posts.

Email for you on the other side after I get home tonight - I can't log on to it from work.

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RE: Tributes and Genuine Dommes - 1/20/2009 9:51:14 AM   
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For me, all this analysis just takes the fun out of BDSM, largely because people are trying to reconcile activities and thought processes that are inherently unreconcileable.  I'd rather concentrate on having a satisfying time with BDSM rather than brooding about it.  I find that the first step is to ignore Sea's posts.
LOL, you are of course absolutely right.    One definitely cannot have fun while taking self or anyone else too seriously.    Sea's kool though...  M

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RE: Tributes and Genuine Dommes - 1/20/2009 10:09:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		For me, all this analysis just takes the fun out of BDSM, largely because people are trying to reconcile activities and thought processes that are inherently unreconcileable.  I'd rather concentrate on having a satisfying time with BDSM rather than brooding about it.  I find that the first step is to ignore Sea's posts.
 
Hah!  The same, and the opposite, is true for me.  Sure I'd rather have fun, and I'm becoming sure by the day not just that certain things are irreconcilable, but don't need to be reconciled. (Because it's the tension between poles that makes D/s fun.  All part of Peon's General Theory of D/s [forthcoming, Walt Disney Press].) 

But I'm the sort who gets obstacles in the way of my fun if certain thoughts aren't explicated then slotted nicely into their opposing poles.  Sea, and others, have helped me a lot in that, and I'm grateful to them.



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RE: Tributes and Genuine Dommes - 1/20/2009 4:11:58 PM   
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Is this a matter of his foot in mouth or your boot?  I am confused here! hehe


Some people like ball gags. PforH likes ball of the foot gag.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Tributes and Genuine Dommes - 1/20/2009 4:16:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: undergroundsea
I have analyzed your aversion to serious discussions and concluded you have a phobia of being taken seriously.

It's a cultural issue.  The British as a whole have an aversion to taking themselves too seriously.  It's just not the done thing.  You know, like putting ice in your tea.


So then I should be sensitive to your phobia and not take you seriously ;-)

Cheers,

Sea 

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RE: Tributes and Genuine Dommes - 1/20/2009 4:30:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is how miscommunication occurs.

So after that thread where PforH gave me some tips about how to speak with the British accent, I asked him to help me perfect it even more. Here is how it went:

Sea: So I'll start with some basic words with the alphabet. Let me know how I do.
PforH: Alright, you're on bloke. I'll have my fish and chips and Cadbury chocolate while I listen.
Sea: Ok, here I go.

A for aunt
B for ball
C for cat
D for dog

Sea: <thinking to self> Is he listening?
Sea: PforH?
PforH: No, P is for Peter. Plus you gots all the letters between D and P to do first.
Sea: ....

See? Miscommunication is so easy when you are talking in person and not typing.

Cheers,

Sea

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