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RE: Insane situation? - 1/16/2009 5:57:56 PM   
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My major worry would be that he would drop dead and she would die there.

But I'd need more than that in a relationship. I can see doing it for a week as a scene, but that's it.

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RE: Insane situation? - 1/16/2009 6:22:21 PM   
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For those who stated there was not enough information to make a judgement call, or stated it would depend on other criteria of the basement, confinement etc, i completely agree.
I personally do not believe there was enough info for anyone to outright state it was insane or extreme. Interesting that quite a few people would though, don't ya think?
It's just yet another case of your kink is not my kink so it's not ok.

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RE: Insane situation? - 1/16/2009 6:26:50 PM   
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I personally wouldn't care what others I am not involved with chose to do Nor would I have concerns about it, if it wasn't involving mentally ill people, people unable to give full consent or minors. If that's what blows their skirt up and it's consensual go right ahead.

Me personally I'd never agree to it, but then again I'm not a sub, or a slave, nor am I looking for a Master, nor am I interested in bondage, nor am I interested in never leaving my environment.

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Another thread mentions leaving a sub chained in a basement. Said sub has no will, rights and cannot make decisions. It has been assumed that the basement has no natural light only artificial and it is assumed that said sub will be fed and watered three times a day. This means that the sub will have human contact on a daily basis and that the Dom will be able to check how she is doing at this time. The Dom has the right to make a decision on whether or not she is ok and can be left or whether she needs to be removed from this situation at any time. It would also be assumed that both parties have consented to this.
 
Apologies that i have not gone into any further detail but this is all the detail i have from the previous thread and did not wish to derail / hijack that thread any further with this discussion.
 
What would your personal concerns with such a situation be?
 
If both people had given consent for such a situation and fully looked at the risks involved etc would you deem them insane for going ahead?
 
Would you call such a situation extreme?
 
Would you even consider such a situation possible?
 
 

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RE: Insane situation? - 1/16/2009 6:35:57 PM   
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For those who stated there was not enough information to make a judgement call, or stated it would depend on other criteria of the basement, confinement etc, i completely agree.
I personally do not believe there was enough info for anyone to outright state it was insane or extreme. Interesting that quite a few people would though, don't ya think?
It's just yet another case of your kink is not my kink so it's not ok.


Ahhhh.... I see now. She's a tricky one, isn't she? Nicely done!


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RE: Insane situation? - 1/16/2009 6:44:51 PM   
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RE: Insane situation? - 1/16/2009 6:48:58 PM   
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RE: Insane situation? - 1/16/2009 8:03:53 PM   
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What would your personal concerns with such a situation be? 

Unless I was the one to be chained, my concerns would be more objective than subjective.  I would wonder how many days or weeks it would take for the chained one to regret their decision.  I have my doubts about anyone thriving in such an environment if it was long term.  And like a lot of things we discuss/debate here, I think some fantasies are just not going to play out as well as hoped for.

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 If both people had given consent for such a situation and fully looked at the risks involved etc would you deem them insane for going ahead? 

It is my firm belief that very very few people would be capable of making an informed choice because there are just too many aspects to consider.  Most people have made and will make bad decisions throughout their life time.  That is not criteria for insanity. 
 
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Would you call such a situation extreme?  

My guess is that most people would eventually change their minds because they would be extremely bored with it. 

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  Would you even consider such a situation possible? 

Of course it is possible, but is it realistic to think it could continue for even 6 months, let alone a life time?  All I know for sure is that it would not likely turn out well for me. 

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Interesting that quite a few people would though, don't ya think?
It's just yet another case of your kink is not my kink so it's not ok.   

You asked for opinions---not quite fair to disparage those who gave one!


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RE: Insane situation? - 1/16/2009 8:06:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		To me this is a good example of fantasy versus reality.  I can imagine this situation and even begin to crave it as a severe dose of deprivation.  The thought of that moment of being locked and left, with no hope of being released is delicious.  (in fact I've written a little story with a similar set up quite recently)  I have no idea of how long I could actually take this in a worst case ( damp, dark basement, etc..)  Now, switch to actually doing it, and I suspect that the juice might run dry in a much shorter time than I might imagine. 

I believe that my colleagues have extensively described the risk factors. 

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RE: Insane situation? - 1/16/2009 8:26:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		As I'm sure others have replied, extreme would depend upon the situation and the individuals... same as the question of insanity. 

Is it possible?  I imagine so.  Throughout history people have been held captive in all sorts of horrendous ways.

Personally, I'd never be interested in anything like that.  Assuming all the details concerning physical well-being were carefully attended, I'd still be bored silly. 

Even if I were in posh surroundings and provided with books, television, and/or other ways to occupy my mind or entertain myself, I don't understand the point.  *shrugs*  Makes about as much sense and just telling me not to leave the house. 

I can't imagine what the dominant would find the least bit appealing about it, either... sounds like a lot of work with very little return.  Then again, it's not surprising that I don't see the appeal... I'm just not wired that way.




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RE: Insane situation? - 1/16/2009 10:01:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: missturbation

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For those who stated there was not enough information to make a judgement call, or stated it would depend on other criteria of the basement, confinement etc, i completely agree.
I personally do not believe there was enough info for anyone to outright state it was insane or extreme. Interesting that quite a few people would though, don't ya think?
It's just yet another case of your kink is not my kink so it's not ok.


You could use the above criteria to make the case that no one who stated the situation in the OP wasn't insane or extreme, had enough info to draw that conclusion also, no? 

I believe it's actually a case of those who believe it's extreme or not extreme basing their judgment on their own life experiences and how the situation felt to them, rather than 'your kink is not ok'.  Open-ended questions are bound to get a variety of opinions. 

Or I could answer this as neutrally as possible ... 'What anyone decides to do with his/her body is up to them, provided the proper consent is given between the parties.'  I suppose most questions posed could be answered that way - not that I'd find it overly helpful or interesting. 


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RE: Insane situation? - 1/17/2009 7:40:22 AM   
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I can pay rent.


Cool! Before this thread is over I will have a whole harem down there!



LOL count me in, please.

Actually in reading the OP (I did not see the thread she mentioned), I was thinking anything is possible in this situation, and I envisioned much what you described of your basement - exercise equipment, windows that open, wireless internet, music, a TV with on demand movies, comfy places to sit or lie down, my own fridge - seriously, people think "basement" and automatically go to horror film conditions.  Without info listed about the basement, we really have no clue to judge. 

The basement you describe is nicer than my apartment!


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RE: Insane situation? - 1/17/2009 8:22:38 AM   
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You could use the above criteria to make the case that no one who stated the situation in the OP wasn't insane or extreme, had enough info to draw that conclusion also, no? 

Hang on, those who stated it wasn't insane also voiced concern. In the main they said they would not partake in this confinement for various reasons. They did not however judge anyone who would and condemn them as insane. Basically they were saying your kink is not my kink but its ok. 

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 Or I could answer this as neutrally as possible ... 'What anyone decides to do with his/her body is up to them, provided the proper consent is given between the parties.'  I suppose most questions posed could be answered that way - not that I'd find it overly helpful or interesting.


Well sometimes things in life just aren't over helpful or interesting. To voice concern about anothers actions is great, may even give the people concerned something to ponder on they haven't thought about. To condemn someones actions when we know very little as harshly as saying they are insane is in my book just ignorant.

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RE: Insane situation? - 1/17/2009 8:23:12 AM   
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What would your personal concerns with such a situation be?


None as I have no interest in that kind of scenario.

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If both people had given consent for such a situation and fully looked at the risks involved etc would you deem them insane for going ahead?


No that would be for a jury of their peers if something went wrong, but you would not see Me associated with people like that.

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Would you call such a situation extreme?

YKINMK

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Would you even consider such a situation possible?
  If I did, My basement would be filled with all the little subbies who have begged Me for this treatment--oh wait, I don't have a basement.

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RE: Insane situation? - 1/17/2009 8:24:25 AM   
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Interesting that quite a few people would though, don't ya think?
It's just yet another case of your kink is not my kink so it's not ok.
  
You asked for opinions---not quite fair to disparage those who gave one!


I think it's probably more fair than most of the disparaging that goes on in cm.



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RE: Insane situation? - 1/17/2009 10:33:43 AM   
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This topic/question originally came up discussing people who ask for such things in a profile on a site such as CollarMe… Adding that detail, this shows the described scenerio is not something that a relationship has evolved into, it’s a situation that is desired and being saught out…

I personally accepted the term "left" to mean there is no limit on the timeframe, the slave has no ability to tap out, nor will the Dom tap out on his/her behalf… I do feel desiring to be locked away from society and dehumanized is insane… I see that as having an opinion and being willing to share it, other’s may see it as being judgemental… you can judge me on my opinion however you like ;-)

If the slave we’re given plush conditions and had ideal care, I may change my opinion of her/him being insane and then view them as coping out of life and using the Dom to supply their needs… no longer insane, but no more respectable either…

Regardless… in my opinion and in my opinion alone… to accept a life tucked away in a basement with no human contact except one person and having no ability, will or right to tap out… is just flipping crazy…

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RE: Insane situation? - 1/17/2009 1:09:20 PM   
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Hang on, those who stated it wasn't insane also voiced concern. In the main they said they would not partake in this confinement for various reasons. They did not however judge anyone who would and condemn them as insane. Basically they were saying your kink is not my kink but its ok.


OK.  It was a trick question.  Got it.  I'm not sure what the point was, but ok..

I did not like your choice of word 'insane' - I'm not clinically trained to be able to make that type of determination, and I'm not sure how you mean to use it, except possibly in the 'stark raving mad' type of way.  Based upon the indefinite time period that you left open in the OP, I did voice concern about how my needs would not be met amd that I thought it was a bit 'off' and unhealthy for someone to want to be removed from life for an indefinite time this way, and voiced concern about the type of dependency this would create.  Again, opinions based on my experiences.  And yes, this is an extreme situation to me.  Anything which would remove me from my life in this way would be extreme. 

And I don't see it as 'your kink is not ok.'  Some who disagreed saw it as an unhealthy situation and extreme.  It comes down to everyone having a line that should not be crossed - people have used amputation as an example before.  Do you think it's ok for someone to agree to have someone else remove a finger?  After all, your kink is not my kink but it's all ok...  I have a feeling you'd say it was fine with you - but for me, it would be unhealthy and extreme.  Of course, I'm well aware that my vanilla friends would think what I submit to is unhealthy and extreme.   It certainly doesn't stop me, as it shouldn't stop anyone else from doing something they wish to do. 



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RE: Insane situation? - 1/17/2009 1:22:51 PM   
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What would your personal concerns with such a situation be?


Health of the submissive, mental and physical, well-being of the submissive in terms safety and long-term repercussions.

Problems I can see easily, just off the top of my head:

1) Vitamin D deprivation. Lack of access to natural sunlight causes a serious vitamin deficiency in humans. In children this deficiency manifests in a disease called "rickets", which causes growing bones to become weak and rubbery, and to bend in unpleasant, permanently disfiguring ways. In adults this disease manifests as a condition called osteomalacia, which causes brittleness of bone and a tendency to repeated fractures, especially of the ribs.

2) Depression. Lack of access to natural sunlight can also cause serious mental health impacts in humans, which is why depressive behavior and suicide rates are correlated with the winter months in any region where sunlight grows weaker during that season.

3) Hygiene. Whether the chained victim is male or female, there are hygiene issues in long confinement which can have serious health impacts. Among these are the tendency to rashes, fungal growths, bacterial and parasitic infections, etc. No mention is made here of how waste would be eliminated for this prisoner or what access they would have to other sanitary and self maintenance facilities like the toilet, shower and sink.

4) Safety. This situation is described as one of absolute dependence, where the submissive's welfare depends all day and every day upon a single person. The power to help or save herself from harm does not seem to be present. Nonetheless, it seems improbable to me that the "guard" in this scenario will always be in the house to watch over the prisoner. Who will supervise the situation when he/she is out? What will the slave do if there is a fire, a flood, an earthquake, if a pipe bursts, or if she happens to be injured or suffering medical distress?

5) Accountability. Even if blind luck prevents some accident or disaster from occurring, I would also have a concern for accountability in this situation. "Who watches the watchmen" is always an issue in BDSM relationships. Any situation in which a submissive will be isolated unduly from personal and social contact--where he or she is kept from leaving the house to have a job, to interact with friends and colleagues, or to keep touch with loving family members--always gives me serious pause.

Many submissives might fantasize about such absolute control, but I do not believe it is a good idea. Not least because social skills, like any other skills, tend to atrophy when they are not used. Job skills are similar, which is why I don't think that any person should ever entirely give up working unless he or she is going to school at the time.

As for the other questions:

Would I consider such a fantasy extreme? Yes.

Would I consider such a real life situation dangerous and/or harmful, at least potentially? Yes.

Have such things happened non-consensually in real life to real people? Yes.


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RE: Insane situation? - 1/18/2009 5:42:48 AM   
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Meh, like I said, depends on the basement. Damp and moldy, unfinished walls etc? Probably not the best idea, but people survive worse around the world. I'd think that eventually the person would suffer from some social issues, if they do not already have them by wanting to be shut away from the world. Then again, I'm no expert.



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RE: Insane situation? - 1/18/2009 8:11:48 AM   
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I did not like your choice of word 'insane'

 
As i said this thread came in response to another where this scenario was described as insane. I really don't like the use of the word being in connection with the scenario either.
 


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RE: Insane situation? - 1/18/2009 2:48:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's more than likely possible, though things like daily life will be trouble.  I mean, if you're missing for say...a week, two, three...a month...Will relatives or friends come looking for you?  will there be police reports and missing people files brought up?   I don't think it'd be in any way easy.  Plus, even if it's a situation that it can happen,. what if it gets out of hand and the sub ends up being sick or hell, gutted like a fish because the Dom goes nuts or was in the first place?  I couldn't do anything like that, it'd take a special sort of people to make it work.

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