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RE: Is It Truly Domination? - 1/9/2006 6:03:01 AM   
LuckyAlbatross


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ORIGINAL: MojoRisin

What's interesting is the question.... are Masters TRULY dominating their slaves?

Meaning, a Master can do all the "right" things, and demand that the slave obey a certain command and threaten "punishment" if these demands go unfullfilled.... but the slave can still get up and walk away at any time. It's always the slave's choice to obey..... so IS it true domination.... truly conquering.... when it's all up to the sub to obey? They hold the cards... they can say "fuck you, get out of my face" any time they want....

MR

Is it truly submission then because the dominant can end the relationship and walk away?

As long as everyone remains committed to the foundations of the relationship, then it's as real and true and nirvana as it needs to be for them.

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RE: Is It Truly Domination? - 1/9/2006 6:05:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub
i guess that is where the difference is tween a sub and a slave.

For you, yes. If the answer were that simple, we wouldn't have this debate crop up on every single discussion list in existence at least a few times a year.

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RE: Is It Truly Domination? - 1/9/2006 7:10:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MojoRisin

What's interesting is the question.... are Masters TRULY dominating their slaves?

Meaning, a Master can do all the "right" things, and demand that the slave obey a certain command and threaten "punishment" if these demands go unfullfilled.... but the slave can still get up and walk away at any time. It's always the slave's choice to obey..... so IS it true domination.... truly conquering.... when it's all up to the sub to obey? They hold the cards... they can say "fuck you, get out of my face" any time they want....

MR


I'm not dominating anyone...I have no need too. But then its all in perception and how I view things. But loosely put, as a Mistress I control the slavish. Consent negates submission and dominance ... thus it becomes one of control and yielding to that control. If they do not yield as I wish I could invoke dominant qualities and/or dynamics ...but if I have to dominate someone to keep them submissive (to me) then, simply put, I don't have control.

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
As long as everyone remains committed to the foundations of the relationship, then it's as real and true and nirvana as it needs to be for them.


Nicely said.


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RE: Is It Truly Domination? - 1/9/2006 7:27:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RiotGirl



A true slave, by my definition can not do the things you have mentioned. That is why they are a slave and they call their Master, Master. As they have been Mastered. A Mastered slave, can not do those things, nor could it really entered their mind to do so. Look up IE the link was posted.





Riot, I agree with this. Though I am a sub and not a slave. I've been around long enough in the life, and met real slaves. (please do not mis read this) I do mean "True Slaves" Total power exchange. I'm talking ones you'll never meet on here for it's forbidden to be here.

Back in 2000 I began research for a book. And had to travel into different communities to seek what I really needed for my book. I was even allowed access to 1 "underground" dungeon. Because the Head Master heard about me and my quest for information for this book. Finally I ran across what it was I was in searching for. I finally found that one True Blood Slave.

It has taken me the past 3 years perfecting her story (with her real Master and his approval). And the book it about completed.

But from what I have learned. And what I have seen in all my years. WOW. A true slave would never ever be able to say "fuck you" and just walk out. She doesn't even move out of bed without permission of a morning unless prior permission before going to bed. I observed that she sought out permission for about everything she did except breath. And At times during their play, she had to beg for that too. This couple are in a poly home. She is the "Queen" slave. All others a submissives and servants only. Her Master is a very powerful and rich man. One that I have only read bout myself, and thought was only in fairly tells. Not real life. So it's been interresting to write this book. I've been able to recapture their meeting and their past 10 years together. They met 5 years before I met them. I got to see her personal journals on her thoughts and life with her Master. I've seen actual films on some of the "Parties" her Master has had. So some of the things I've written in this book, some would never believe. Hell I didn't believe them, untill shown footage... LOL

So I think it's not in the mind of a slave to walk out. A sub, yes. A slave no. As I believe any Dom can say, fuck this. And walk on a sub as well. But a Master that has taken, and took over in a toal power exchange, could not walk either. Knowing that for how ever long the realtionship has gone on. That to walk could actualy damage a slave mentally.

I'm not sure how far any one actually goes in this lifestyle. No one does but the ones involved. Reaching the point of needing permission to even breath, seems to extreme to me. But then again, I've not met one who could "Master" me in that type of TPE. But everyones got their own ideas of what TPE is too. The two I have written about have totally different ideas than most on here on M/s relationships.

I'm eager to be able to go back and finish the final few chapters of this book. Master is even eager for me to finish this book as well.

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