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RE: High Fructose Corn Syrup - 1/17/2009 5:59:25 PM

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That sounds yummy,especially on this cold nite.

Some people get allergic reactions from it or from any corn product.For some reason,certain nuts can be just as nasty to some people and make them sick.

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RE: High Fructose Corn Syrup - 1/17/2009 8:09:02 PM

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if I remember correctly from the article I read about it:
1. the body doesn't metabolize it like sugar, but instead tends to store energy from it like fat and;
2. the intensity of the sweetness is far sweeter than sugar, so it triggers some kind of crack-like craving in the brain for more.

I find I feel much more energetic when I stay away from "white", processed foods, which kind of seem to go hand in hand with hfcs. I'm sure something else will get me anyway

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RE: High Fructose Corn Syrup - 1/17/2009 8:14:44 PM

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I think Kittin's on the right track here- it does seem to be quite a coincidence that there's an obesity epidemic and this HFCS is so prevalent. Some recent research suggests that most of the problem is that with these highly processed substances, we don't recognize it as calories, and hence keep craving something sweet (caloric).

The suggestive bit of evidence is that people don't seem to lose weight on diet soda- again we seem to crave something sweet and we're eating the wrong foods. I'd also point out that refined cane sugar isn't wonderful for you either, but at least you know the stuff has calories and curb your intake.

In terms of maple syrup- when I was in college and would invite some girls over for waffles on a Sunday morning brunch- they used to bring Aunt Jemima Lite syrup. I showed them the label on maple syrup- I think it's 1/3rd the calories- and no comparison in terms of taste. The next time the Aunt Jemima didn't enter my kitchen. (and this was close to 30 years ago.) Of course, the maple syrup is probably 10x the cost.

I think the obesity epidemic is likely caused by the fact that we've come up with very calorie dense foods (how on earth does McDs pack that many calories into their wretched burgers and fries?) that aren't very filling. And has been pointed out previously- there's big business behind it.

I also recall that there was some political machinations to produce the stuff-weren't there some price shocks for sugar and lots of corn lying around- even though we were paying farmers not to grow the stuff?

Don't be too hard on the FDA. I know a few folks that work there, and in private conversations its pretty clear that things are not good. They're undermanned, under a lot of pressure to approve stuff, and they don't have anybody working in food. The scientists working there generally are pretty good and want to make sure that stuff is safe and effective-but one way to deregulate is to gut the agency that's supposed to be doing the job. I don't have a lot of respect for the head cheeses though, but working for Bush as a scientist is as bad as being a lawyer for OJ.

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RE: High Fructose Corn Syrup - 1/17/2009 8:31:17 PM

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You do know that hot dogs in most cases are ground up bits of this that and the other, that wasn't attractive to sell right?

I assume that the hodge podgyness of the meat of hot dogs, wouldn't taste very good left alone and un fucked with.

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Why would hot dogs need to be sweetened? No, i don't even thing i want to know. Processed food for processed people. Sugary hot dogs?

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RE: High Fructose Corn Syrup - 1/17/2009 8:36:54 PM

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OK i saw this one dumb commercial where there is a guy and girl sitting in a park i think. The girl offers the guy a bite of her popsicle. One of those no brand 50 cent kinds from the looks of it. He starts talking about how it has HFCS in it and it's bad for you. She basically say's no thats not true.

Now my brain is wondering why the hell is this commercial on my tv. Am i supposed to just go "yea it's good for me" or something like that?
Is there some kind of lawsuit or something against HFCS going on? Is there some push to ban it or something?

My friend and I saw this commercial tonight. Our reaction was, "Who the hell brings popsicles on a picnic?"

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RE: High Fructose Corn Syrup - 1/17/2009 8:37:07 PM

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That's the thing though MArie, It's in everything just about, so you're not getting it " in moderation" I'd say over half the stuff in our pantry, from the canned fruit, to the boxes of mac and cheese, to the cambles soups, to jellies and breads and butters have HFCS.

Now, maybe that says more about us and our pantry than HFCS, but it really is very very hard to escape, and it's in even the most innocent things So I don't see how it can be " in moderate amounts".

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I think moderation is key.

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RE: High Fructose Corn Syrup - 1/17/2009 8:38:15 PM

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Try buy wholefoods.

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RE: High Fructose Corn Syrup - 1/17/2009 8:47:45 PM

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You do know that hot dogs in most cases are ground up bits of this that and the other, that wasn't attractive to sell right?

I assume that the hodge podgyness of the meat of hot dogs, wouldn't taste very good left alone and un fucked with.

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Why would hot dogs need to be sweetened? No, i don't even thing i want to know. Processed food for processed people. Sugary hot dogs?

. Don't listen to her ballpark franks. You know how much i care for you. What she is saying just can't be true.

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RE: High Fructose Corn Syrup - 1/17/2009 8:49:08 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: blacksword404

OK i saw this one dumb commercial where there is a guy and girl sitting in a park i think. The girl offers the guy a bite of her popsicle. One of those no brand 50 cent kinds from the looks of it. He starts talking about how it has HFCS in it and it's bad for you. She basically say's no thats not true.

Now my brain is wondering why the hell is this commercial on my tv. Am i supposed to just go "yea it's good for me" or something like that?
Is there some kind of lawsuit or something against HFCS going on? Is there some push to ban it or something?

My friend and I saw this commercial tonight. Our reaction was, "Who the hell brings popsicles on a picnic?"

The whole commercial was just odd.

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RE: High Fructose Corn Syrup - 1/17/2009 8:58:39 PM

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My understanding that the high fructose is bad for you just as corn on the cobb isn't good to eat often. Both are high in sugar. Diet sodas are even bad for you because they trick your body into thinking it is getting sugar. You gain weight. We simply have to cut sugar, salt, and processed foods out of our diet.
You are better off making things from scratch when you can. You KNOW what is going into it and how it affects YOUR body.
I had taken English class in High School and we learned about advertising, commercials and how they trick you with messages on what to buy. I don't fall for it. I learned at an early age not to fall for it.
I am going back to the basics here and cook my own food no more processed stuff if i can avoid it.

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RE: High Fructose Corn Syrup - 1/17/2009 9:07:45 PM

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Like most things, it's fine if you have it in tiny quantities, but it's seriously in everything. And inexplicably, it's certified as organic, which is kind of hilarious in a terrifying and sad way. I'm super careful about buying bread now, especially whole wheat bread, because of how much hfcs is in it. I've been sticking mostly to rye and sprouted grain, which is generally better for you anyways so it's all good.

Why on earth is it in bread?
Is this an American thing? I just checked the bread I have and none of it has any sort of corn syrup in it. Sounds really weird to me...

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RE: High Fructose Corn Syrup - 1/17/2009 9:30:39 PM

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Now, maybe that says more about us and our pantry than HFCS, but it really is very very hard to escape, and it's in even the most innocent things So I don't see how it can be " in moderate amounts".

I know what you're saying, and I know it's in a lot of things that you wouldn't normally expect to see it in, but you can consider some alternatives to eliminate some or most of it. You can buy juices with no sugar added, and I'm fairly certain you can buy canned fruit also with no added sugar, or better yet, buy fresh fruit. And if you like macaroni and cheese, it can be made from scratch fairly easily (unless the cheese has hfcs? I don't know). There are probably more chemicals in that boxed stuff than people should be eating anyway, make homemade soup instead of canned etc. Just think of all the items with hfcs that would still have sugar in them if it wasn't for the hfcs. If that many items contain even regular sugar, it's probably a good idea to find alternatives to them anyway.

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RE: High Fructose Corn Syrup - 1/17/2009 10:35:24 PM

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HFCS is cheaper and allows many companies so sell larger portions at lower prices than using sugar. Yes HFCS is bad for you, and independent research can be found with just google.

The lobbyist for the corn industry, and specifically for HFCS are paying for their own public service announcements.

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RE: High Fructose Corn Syrup - 1/17/2009 11:26:42 PM

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It's in bread for two reasons: The yeast that makes the bread rise needs sugars to feed on. Now, you can make them work and crack the starches in the bread for sugar, but you can also add a certain amount and they will eat more, produce more gas, and, if you have the rest of the bread recipe doing its part, you'll have a lighter, airier loaf of bread.

Fructose as a sugar specifically inhibits staling and makes the crust browner. Honey will also do all this in bread, incidentally. Given that homemade bread stales in a very few hours if not closely wrapped, and molds in about four days if closely wrapped at room temperature, inhibition of staling is a great good thing in the baking industry.

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RE: High Fructose Corn Syrup - 1/17/2009 11:39:54 PM

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Here's how I do it.

Make your own baked goods, especially sweets. Make your own pasta sauces and salad dressings. Make your own jams, jellies, and nut butters. Make your own steak sauce, sweet and sour sauce, ketchup, and barbecue sauce.

Plain canned vegetables are safe, as are fresh vegetables and fruits. Cheese, if not a processed dip type of thing, is generally safe, whether block or shredded. Plain milk and butter, cottage cheese and sour cream are okay. Watch the yogurt, though; if it's flavored, it may well have HFCS added to sweeten it. 100% fruit juices will not contain HCFS, but any juice drinks, blended "cocktails", etc. very well might. Most commercial ice creams, sherbets, frozen treats, etc. contain it. Many candy bars contain it, though a good-quality plain chocolate should not.

I have to avoid eating too much honey and many fruits because they are high natural sources of fructose, like oranges, strawberries, and pineapples. However, what this means in practice is that while I can have orange juice at breakfast, I'll buffer its effects by having it with high-protein and complex carbs in the form of eggs and bacon, and I won't have pancakes with it unless I have the "diabetic" form of syrup. I don't eat vast quantities of fruit at any one type. Though I did binge and eat three blood oranges in an hour and a half the other day, but ohhh they were so good, the headache was worth it!

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RE: High Fructose Corn Syrup - 1/18/2009 12:00:46 AM

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Why on earth is it in bread?
Is this an American thing? I just checked the bread I have and none of it has any sort of corn syrup in it. Sounds really weird to me...

No idea. AlexandraLynch explained it way better than I could haha. I'm assuming by an American thing you mean North American, since I'm in Canada. I know when I was in the UK and read lables they seemed to use a lot more regular sugar rather than the HFCS, so it could be the same way in Australia. The problem is that generally on lables, they don't straight up put "high fructose corn syrup," here most of the labels say glucose-fructose. They may just have a different name for it there.

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RE: High Fructose Corn Syrup - 1/18/2009 12:04:47 AM

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Hot dogs are a sausage.

There is a reason there is a saying that "Those who respect the law and like sausage should not watch either one being made."

Just sayin'. (grin)

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RE: High Fructose Corn Syrup - 1/18/2009 12:29:10 AM

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Hot dogs are a sausage.

There is a reason there is a saying that "Those who respect the law and like sausage should not watch either one being made."

Just sayin'. (grin)

Hahaha, thank you Alexandra. That one brought a big smile to my face. I needed that tonight and will certainly have to remember that quote. :)

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RE: High Fructose Corn Syrup - 1/18/2009 1:40:34 AM

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We have HFCS for many reasons. The main reason is agricultural subsidies. We need domestic farming, but we can't compete globally with other countries. I don't agree with it, but we do it. Europeans and the Japanese do it more than we do. But agricultural subsidies are a major reason for the switch to HFCS.

Corn is an indigenous crop to the Americas. It grows well here, and it's not any worse than other grain crops (health wise). It grows well in many climates. It's a tough, hardy crop. It is a utilitarian crop. It can be used for lots of things. Sugarcane is not a utilitarian crop. It can only be cultivated in a few places in the world. It doesn't have the multitude of uses that corn has. Before you attack corn, you should understand that it was the staple of most pre-Columbian Americans. It was the staple of many post-Revolutionary War Americans in many parts of the country. Corn feeds and has always fed the United States. Corn is not bad.

Now I agree with many that sugarcane is a superior sweetener to HFCS. I've compared both in the soft drink, and I find sugarcane based formulas to be superior. But, we have to be willing to pay for that. Sugarcane is more expensive, and it will remain that way as long as we have agricultural subsidies. We can drop those subsidies, and you will see the family farm die a quick death. It boils down to what is the most important to you.

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RE: High Fructose Corn Syrup - 1/18/2009 2:18:57 AM

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We have HFCS for many reasons. The main reason is agricultural subsidies. We need domestic farming, but we can't compete globally with other countries. I don't agree with it, but we do it. Europeans and the Japanese do it more than we do. But agricultural subsidies are a major reason for the switch to HFCS.

Corn is an indigenous crop to the Americas. It grows well here, and it's not any worse than other grain crops (health wise). It grows well in many climates. It's a tough, hardy crop. It is a utilitarian crop. It can be used for lots of things. Sugarcane is not a utilitarian crop. It can only be cultivated in a few places in the world. It doesn't have the multitude of uses that corn has. Before you attack corn, you should understand that it was the staple of most pre-Columbian Americans. It was the staple of many post-Revolutionary War Americans in many parts of the country. Corn feeds and has always fed the United States. Corn is not bad.

Now I agree with many that sugarcane is a superior sweetener to HFCS. I've compared both in the soft drink, and I find sugarcane based formulas to be superior. But, we have to be willing to pay for that. Sugarcane is more expensive, and it will remain that way as long as we have agricultural subsidies. We can drop those subsidies, and you will see the family farm die a quick death. It boils down to what is the most important to you.

Keeping our ability to feed ourselves is always a good idea. But are the benefits of HFCS worth the cost?

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