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RE: Young Master / Mature Submissive - 1/9/2006 7:25:13 AM

LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

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Well....subs ARE a dime a dozen.

While you may choose to view yourself so cheaply....I choose not to.....and I would have to think that there are others here that believe that they too are worth more than a dime a dozen.

As for the "under a rock" statement....how you can view that in the same light as walking ten paces online and finding a dozen subs is completely beyond me.

Because to me it's saying the same thing.

Saying you can turn over any rock and find something is an EXPRESSION OF SPEECH. It's not a derogatory statement any more than "fish in a barrel."

I don't know why you are hung up on the individual words as somehow meaning something. I could also say "smokers are a dime a dozen" in the scene. Does that somehow make smokers less worthwhile? Does that somehow make them cheap?

Maybe you've never heard the expression "dime a dozen" before, but it's NOT meant as a literal cheapening- it's meant as an expression that they are extremely common.

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RE: Young Master / Mature Submissive - 1/9/2006 7:45:03 AM

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Maybe you've never heard the expression "dime a dozen" before, but it's NOT meant as a literal cheapening- it's meant as an expression that they are extremely common.

Okay, maybe this is an expression that came before your time.....

"a dime a dozen"
If a thing is very common and easy to get, we say it is "a dime a dozen." Example: "Do you think I should buy this now and bring it with us?" Answer: "Don't bother; those are a dime a dozen where we are going." There is no need to get excited or worried about finding something that is a dime a dozen. Example: "Look what I found!" Answer: "That's nothing special; those are a dime a dozen." It is easy to find a dime (a 10 cent US coin), and a dozen (12) of something is a common, everyday unit of measure. You are not in a hurry to get a thing which is a dime a dozen because it is not so special and you could get one any time you wanted. Example: "I don't need friends like him; they are a dime a dozen."

"dime a dozen"
<Idiomatic English Glossary - D>
Definition: common; of little value

Explanation: Used when speaking about common things that are of little value
Examples: Don't listen to what she says, her stories are a dime a dozen. - Those 'antiques' are a dime a dozen.

Dime a dozen

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Posted by R. Kesavan on June 03, 2004
Most of us know the meaning of the phrase 'Dime a dozen' as something cheap and available aplenty.

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RE: Young Master / Mature Submissive - 1/9/2006 8:07:33 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

quote:

Maybe you've never heard the expression "dime a dozen" before, but it's NOT meant as a literal cheapening- it's meant as an expression that they are extremely common.

Okay, maybe this is an expression that came before your time.....

"a dime a dozen"
If a thing is very common and easy to get, we say it is "a dime a dozen." Example: "Do you think I should buy this now and bring it with us?" Answer: "Don't bother; those are a dime a dozen where we are going." There is no need to get excited or worried about finding something that is a dime a dozen. Example: "Look what I found!" Answer: "That's nothing special; those are a dime a dozen." It is easy to find a dime (a 10 cent US coin), and a dozen (12) of something is a common, everyday unit of measure. You are not in a hurry to get a thing which is a dime a dozen because it is not so special and you could get one any time you wanted. Example: "I don't need friends like him; they are a dime a dozen."

"dime a dozen"
<Idiomatic English Glossary - D>
Definition: common; of little value

Explanation: Used when speaking about common things that are of little value
Examples: Don't listen to what she says, her stories are a dime a dozen. - Those 'antiques' are a dime a dozen.

Dime a dozen

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Posted by R. Kesavan on June 03, 2004
Most of us know the meaning of the phrase 'Dime a dozen' as something cheap and available aplenty.

Postings like that one... is not "A Dime A Dozen" More like 5 cents on the half dozen. They're rare and always inerresting to read.

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RE: Young Master / Mature Submissive - 1/9/2006 11:32:40 AM

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I have been dominant to two women who were old enough to have given birth to me, but this simple fact certainly DOES NOT get in the way of an older female submitting to a younger male, provided four things:

• The older female in question is open-minded and able to see past age (perhaps even able to see it as "kinky")

• The young Master is wise, intuitive, mature—and above all things‚ truly dominant

• The young Master knows himself and is comfortable with learning from the older females

• The females in turn are open to understanding they can likewise learn from him

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RE: Young Master / Mature Submissive - 1/9/2006 12:18:02 PM

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RE: Young Master / Mature Submissive - 1/9/2006 1:08:06 PM

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Any way to retract the claws and get back to the Op's point?

MasterB69,

It will probably be something of a challenge, and mostly for what you have seen here. That's just the way it is.

For my personal views... here's my lil story of experience:

A good friend of mine has a Master that's in his early 20's ( he also is inexperienced). I'm 32, she's around 37 I think (late 30's). She has zero problems with his dominance over her. There power exchange, according to them works great. I would not be able to do that. I have a need to have a partner, with similar levels of life experiences. That way they are in tune to what's going on with you, because they have been there, or are there.

I wouldn't think to resort to insulting him, telling him to do homework, or you are like my kid...whatever. That would just speak little of me.
But, when he gets "Toppy" feeling with me, authoritarion...whatever you want top call it. I'm simply polite, but I don't get any submissive, or slave pull at all. Thtose type of feelings just don't happen with someone that much younger than me.

Another reason, with my case, might be that even at his age... I had already done much more, and gotten past the point he's at right now. That just widens the gap.

Ok.. example over...smiles.

That's basically why I think that it will be hard, but not impossible, to find someone.

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RE: Young Master / Mature Submissive - 1/12/2006 7:34:20 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
Creatures that dwell under rocks are worms and slugs. The statement implies that we are the throw always or the desperate of the lifestyle world. It implies that we are a dime a dozen and should be grateful should some sympathetic dominant cast their attentions our way. Well that is pure bull shit.

Well....subs ARE a dime a dozen.

I think reading into it that we should be grateful at any Dom who comes our way is your own reading- I didn't get any such impression from the statement.

As far as taking offense to the "under a rock" you can substitute any metaphorical image that you like, it means the same thing. How about "You can't walk 10 paces online without running into a dozen subs"? It's true.

Ok on a serious note, you can not substitute just any metaphorical image for another. The whole point is the image created. "Fish in a barrel","You can't walk 10 paces online without running into a dozen subs" maybe appropriate, there are many subs and yes they have many similarities I can see past this one as not offensive. Sorry but "dime a dozen" and "under any rock" are different they do not just denote common or plentiful as the above do but attach to the meaning that of cheap, of little or no value or importance. There is a big difference in the use of these terms. For example I could say "you can not walk more than 10 paces at this park without running into a dozen grandmas”.... but I would never say "you can kick over any rock in this park and find a granny"... or if some one said hey look at the grandmother would you dream of saying "nah they are a dime a dozen here" ... no you would not show grandmother's such disrespect by using such degrading metaphors ... it is just ill mannered.

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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline
Well, that would actually be stated as "You can't walk 10 paces without running into a dozen 40+ subs." It seems that these ladies have taken offence to what I said because it may just be true. But then, what can they expect when they, themselves segregate themselves because of their age? ANY group that does such things will tend to find themselves to be a dying breed. (no pun intended.)

I feel You miss the point, the objection is not to what you said, yes all agree there are many subs online and yes many are 40 plus in age. The objection was to the way You put it across. Where was the respect for others in your comments, where was the value and worth of these subs, I really do not understand why it was necessary to use a metaphor that could be misconstrued as ill mannered so easily and that could so obviously offend so many whose input was part of what the Op was seeking.

The majority of replies have not dealt harshly or disrespectfully with the Master's age, only tried to put forward some points of view that can make it difficult for mature subs to form a relationship with someone of such an age difference. In no way stating that He is not a good Master, just stating opinions that they felt may be relevant and helpful to His Post.

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RE: Young Master / Mature Submissive - 1/12/2006 7:48:58 PM

LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: redheadedfire4u
no you would not show grandmother's such disrespect by using such degrading metaphors ... it is just ill mannered.

Thanks Fire, that I understand and see how others would have taken it badly. It's not how I took it and I don't think it's how it was intended.

I tend to be oversensitive to the whole "ds = better" idea. So many subs and doms think their relationships, and themselves, are better/higher/more than others and I think that's wrong.

This is not to say that any remark uplifting Ds is towards that aim however, nor any defense of it.

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RE: Young Master / Mature Submissive - 1/12/2006 8:32:49 PM

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Well personally I don't think age enters into it unless you want it to. However, it is an uncollared sub's right to pick and choose who she/he wishes to play with, and also to use whatever criteria she/he wishes, after all why not, until she/(oh to hell with it...i will just say she because it is simpler and the OP was about a female sub) is collared she is a free person (unless of course she is in mainland China....or Myanmar..orrroh never mind).

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RE: Young Master / Mature Submissive - 1/13/2006 11:39:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: redheadedfire4u

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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline
Well, that would actually be stated as "You can't walk 10 paces without running into a dozen 40+ subs." It seems that these ladies have taken offence to what I said because it may just be true. But then, what can they expect when they, themselves segregate themselves because of their age? ANY group that does such things will tend to find themselves to be a dying breed. (no pun intended.)

I feel You miss the point, the objection is not to what you said, yes all agree there are many subs online and yes many are 40 plus in age. The objection was to the way You put it across. Where was the respect for others in your comments, where was the value and worth of these subs, I really do not understand why it was necessary to use a metaphor that could be misconstrued as ill mannered so easily and that could so obviously offend so many whose input was part of what the Op was seeking.

The majority of replies have not dealt harshly or disrespectfully with the Master's age, only tried to put forward some points of view that can make it difficult for mature subs to form a relationship with someone of such an age difference. In no way stating that He is not a good Master, just stating opinions that they felt may be relevant and helpful to His Post.

warm smiles to all

And you, my dear, have missed my point. The saying wasn't meant to offend anyone but if you take offense to it, well too bad. I really don't care. As for no other replies being as harsh, well what about this:

quote:

ORIGINAL: windchymes
those of us in our 40's who might possibly have offspring your age find it difficult not to think of you as a child. We can't help it, and you'll understand someday. It's not meant as disrespectful when I say that I want to giggle and tell you to go to your homework, or ask you if your mother knows where you are!
chymes

This statement and the peanut gallery that backed it up were condescending. So why is it that what she said is ok but what I said is not? Because she farts dust? Because I have a swinging richard and she has lips that don't speak? Would I say "Grannines in the park are a dime a dozen" to a group of elderly women in the park? Yes, if they were as rude to me first, I see no reason why they deserve any more respect then they give. The sad fact is why should anyone respect your age when you can't respect thiers.

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RE: Young Master / Mature Submissive - 1/13/2006 12:42:13 PM

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Look B, you can kick over any rock and find a 40+ submissive there waiting to be dominanted

This statement seems incredibly mean spirited and disrespectful... M

< Message edited by BlkTallFullfig -- 1/13/2006 1:00:24 PM >

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RE: Young Master / Mature Submissive - 1/13/2006 12:57:44 PM

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i, Im a 24 year old master. I have a strong interest in dominating a mature submissive, say in her 40's. But im having no luck in finding one.

Does anyone have any advice on how to meet and/or attract oler women. I have had limited experience but am very creative and adventurous. I think some maturer women would feel quite humiliated if being controlled by someone half there age.

I don't think mature women would feel humiliated being dominated by a younger guy at all. Usually more mature women are comfortable and bad enough they enjoy the fun and adventurous spirit of the younger men. I do think that some women would have problems doing something so sexual with a guy young enough to be her son/grandson, but a lot of women don't think that way, so keep looking and you'll find the right one for you.

How do you attract one? Be yourself, be respectful, and don't limit your interactions to women over 40, since you are a testament to the fact that being under 40 does not mean immaturity, or position within D/s context. Learn gentleman 101, and never, ever treat any woman you respect (especially if you want to get her attention), like she is a dime a dozen..
Good luck, M

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RE: Young Master / Mature Submissive - 1/13/2006 1:52:28 PM

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Just my two cents on the dime a dozen/under a rock/all that. Personally, I didn't even consider that it might be rude until I read the follow-up posts. I can *almost* understand how someone would be offended by it if they were already sensitive to it. But that's just the usual problem with written communication. It's easy to misunderstand someone's intent. Try to understand the point someone is trying to convey, rather than just nitpicking the way they say it. I think we've seen by now that what he meant to say is that there are plenty of 40+ subs out there and that simply finding one is not the issue. It's finding one, presenting yourself in a way that will interest her, and then keeping her.
And that's all I have to say about that.

For me, personally, I'm only 25 and even I might be hesitant over a 20 year old Dom. Is this unfair? Probably. I'm not saying I wouldn't give them a chance, but I have to admit that I would likely be biased against them from the start, and it might take some time to change my mind. This really has nothing to do with the hypothetical person in question, it has more to do with my own experience with guys who are younger than me. I recently gave one a chance, and was rather disappointed. Sure, he seemed very mature a lot of the time, but there were other times where the difference in maturity was just too obvious. I know there are plenty of younger people who are very mature. I think I'm one of them. And you would think that would make me more open to the idea. But experience is hard to argue with. I wonder if maybe the older women who find it hard to take a younger Dom seriously have just never had a good experience with someone who was younger, even while they were younger themselves. But as people have said in other threads, it's not uncommon for subs to look for older Doms simply because of the trend that "older = more mature and more experienced". Is it always true? No. Is it true more often than not? I think so.

My question is, why are you specifically looking for someone who is older? What is it that you want that you don't think you will find in someone who is younger? That may partially answer the question of why some older subs aren't looking for younger Doms. If it's purely a physical thing, that wouldn't really go both ways. But if you're looking for a higher level of maturity, or experience, or something else that comes along with age, then..... well, do you see where I'm going with this?

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RE: Young Master / Mature Submissive - 1/13/2006 2:07:18 PM

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Personally, I didn't even consider that it might be rude until I read the follow-up posts. I can *almost* understand how someone would be offended by it if they were already sensitive to it. But that's just the usual problem with written communication. It's easy to misunderstand someone's intent.

I'm not 40 or submissive, but being spoke of in a way that makes one sound excessively common, unimportant, and worthless usually gets under people's skin. I'm in no way suggesting you should be sensitized to other people's sensibilities though, I simply said I thought/think the statement disrespectful. M

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RE: Young Master / Mature Submissive - 1/13/2006 2:23:56 PM

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At some point, you just have to be able to say:
"I thought that was disrespectful and I was offended. Blablabla is why."
"I see that now. I'm sorry, I didn't mean it that way."
"Okay, I understand."

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RE: Young Master / Mature Submissive - 1/13/2006 3:45:39 PM

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This statement and the peanut gallery that backed it up were condescending. So why is it that what she said is ok but what I said is not? Because she farts dust? Because I have a swinging richard and she has lips that don't speak? Would I say "Grannines in the park are a dime a dozen" to a group of elderly women in the park? Yes, if they were as rude to me first, I see no reason why they deserve any more respect then they give. The sad fact is why should anyone respect your age when you can't respect thiers.

The general comments on this post have been respectful to the Young Master, and most have tried hard to give views on why he has been having problems in a constructive way, yes some have maybe been less successful in this then others.

I disagree with the idea that just because someone has been disrespectful to you that you can drop all your values and join them on their level but then this is just my opinion, so no if the old ladies in the park were rude to me I would walk away I would not see this as reason to be rude in return. We are all human and therefore not perfect and all capable of mistakes and of statements that can be misconstrued and given meanings we did not intend, but usually the best policy is to say “sorry, hey did not mean to offend".

However I have banged my head on enough brick walls to recognize one when I see it so no point in continuing this, as You said

quote:

And you, my dear, have missed my point. The saying wasn't meant to offend anyone but if you take offense to it, well too bad. I really don't care.

have a nice day
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