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oceanwynds -> RE: Just out of curiousity (1/20/2009 3:38:51 PM)
Luci, I for one am honored that President Obama is in office and our country has moved to a new level of consciousness. All i was saying is He cant save us. But together perhaps we can create a better USA. I cried during his inaugration with hope as well. I just pray we all stand behind His efforts and do our part too.

slaveluci -> RE: Just out of curiousity (1/20/2009 3:42:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: oceanwynds Luci, I for one am honored that President Obama is in office and our country has moved to a new level of consciousness. All i was saying is He cant save us. But together perhaps we can create a better USA. I cried during his inaugration with hope as well. I just pray we all stand behind His efforts and do our part too. I know what you were saying, oceanwynds. I was just making a general statement to all those who scoff at those of us who do feel honored and relieved today. He sure can't save us singlehandedly. No one could. But as you say, if we could come together and those we've elected could actually work together instead of squabbling like idiots all the time, there is hope for a better tomorrow. "Dems" or "Repubs" alike as well as all the others who don't affilitate with either of these parties, share this responsibility. Here's to climbing out of the pit America has found herself in...................luci

E2Sweet -> RE: Just out of curiousity (1/20/2009 3:43:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 But it's typical of Dems to speak bad out of one side of their mouth, and talk about hope with the other. No. These days, that's the American way...

rulemylife -> RE: Just out of curiousity (1/20/2009 3:44:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 Your "thinking man" lost his license to practice law. Anyone here know why? I think it was because he got a blowjob.........................I could be wrong.

oceanwynds -> RE: Just out of curiousity (1/20/2009 3:46:57 PM)
I think we will Luci, but then I also believe in the good of people. We have survived so much and I think we can rise again. MissSepphora I thought of responding to some of your comments, but figure it would be pointless. One suggestion turn off MNBC. You have control of the remote. bright blessings oceanwynds

thishereboi -> RE: Just out of curiousity (1/20/2009 3:47:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol What a charming sentiment [&:] . No shit, WTF (see I do agree with you on some things)

thornhappy -> RE: Just out of curiousity (1/20/2009 3:48:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 I'll just use him as an example when someone tries to tell me that a college "degree" is "valuable.". Try designing say, a rocket, a complex satellite, a jet engine, a large passenger plane with advanced avionics, and see how far you get without a degree. thornhappy

E2Sweet -> RE: Just out of curiousity (1/20/2009 3:51:41 PM)
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hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Just out of curiousity (1/20/2009 3:52:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 I'll just use him as an example when someone tries to tell me that a college "degree" is "valuable.". Try designing say, a rocket, a complex satellite, a jet engine, a large passenger plane with advanced avionics, and see how far you get without a degree. thornhappy Ah, but Thorn, to do any of those things you have to be Compitant and Intelligent - neither of which are requirements to run for political office in Any party.

SilverMark -> RE: Just out of curiousity (1/20/2009 3:53:08 PM)
"Bill Clinton is the person ultimately responsible for 9/11 and the Iraq war. It was his adminstration that failed to apprehend or kill Bin Laden during the 90's (despite numerous chances.) It was his administration that provided the bulk of intelligence supporting Saddam Hussein's WMD programs and ambitions." <------now that's a twist intelligence that was obviously wrong and not acted upon and somehow, Clinton after the fact declared war on Iraq? Clinton indeed gave the order to kill Bin Laden, it wasn't successful but, he gave the order...see his Fox interview with Chris Wallace. Ultimately, the war in Iraq has been squarley upon the Bush administration as it should be. Isn't it just a bit too soon to revise history that is so recent?....

Thunderbird56 -> RE: Just out of curiousity (1/20/2009 4:05:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 I'll just use him as an example when someone tries to tell me that a college "degree" is "valuable.". Try designing say, a rocket, a complex satellite, a jet engine, a large passenger plane with advanced avionics, and see how far you get without a degree. thornhappy Many years ago my brother-in-law did just exactly that. He single-handedly designed a "box checker" for airliners. Plug it in and it sent dummy signals to the avionics and then "read" the response to confirm proper operation ... he was just a tech, not an engineer. He only got a tech's pay too! The point is, stuff your degree, you don't need a piece of paper from someplace saying you can do something to be able to do it. Just nowadays, you need the piece of paper to get someone to pay you to do it.

jlf1961 -> RE: Just out of curiousity (1/20/2009 4:08:43 PM)
Actually, I dont blame Bush for everything that is wrong with this country, or with the world, or the problems we now face. The problems are to be laid squarely on those who are directly to blame, the voters. WE elected Bush, WE allowed the Bush administration to emasculate the Bill of Rights with the Patriot Acts, WE allowed President Bush to get away with every heinous act he committed. Its like trying to blame a teenager for being a delinquent, the ultimate responsibility lies with the parents and society as a whole. It is society that allows the conditions that create the pathway of crime and delinquency the teenager follows, and it is the parents who fail to teach the kid the proper way to behave in society. While Hitler is the one who instigated the Third Reich, who put him in power? Stalin created the Soviet Gulag system, but who allowed the communists to remain in power? WE are the cause of the world's problems, not one man or group of people. WE allow the AIDS epidemic to spread unchecked across Africa and third world countries. WE allow political leaders to get away with lies, and half truths. WE allow it by blindly looking away while injustice, poverty, hatred, prejudice, the various plagues of the twentieth and twenty first centuries ravage the world. Humanity is the problem for the world's ills, and one can only hope that mother nature decides to knock off the majority of us to give the planet another chance.

rulemylife -> RE: Just out of curiousity (1/20/2009 4:12:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou Rumsfeld is not a war veteran. He was a Naval aviator on active duty from 1954-1957. He served in the reserves until the 70's, but he never saw combat. Of course that isn't an indictment of his character. He served, and he served honorably. George W. Bush's service in the National Guard was just as honorable, and it's a fabrication that he didn't live up to his obligations. Oh and Colin Powell was a member of Bush's "inner circle" and he did have some combat time. He's just conveniently latched on to the new POTUS. If you read about his career, he has a habit of doing that. Yes, Cheney took student deferrments, but he never wrote letters disparaging the military like Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton is the person ultimately responsible for 9/11 and the Iraq war. It was his adminstration that failed to apprehend or kill Bin Laden during the 90's (despite numerous chances.) It was his administration that provided the bulk of intelligence supporting Saddam Hussein's WMD programs and ambitions. Colin Powell was the only one in that administration that urged caution in the rush to war. Unfortunately he let himself be misled. As for Rumsfeld, my mistake. I thought he had served in Korea. That only bolsters my point though, that we had a group of people in charge of initiating a war that had never seen war or its effects and aftermath. People that I really don't believe even now realize the consequences of the choices they have made. Clinton had only one legitimate opportunity that I am aware of to take out Bin-Laden. My understanding of that was the risk of civilian casualties was deemed too high weighed against the reliability of the intelligence that he would be there.

LaTigresse -> RE: Just out of curiousity (1/20/2009 4:16:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 Can't say I've ever been charming. Undeniably apparent. On topic.........I detest Bush but I do, grudgingly, admire the way he handled the transition. He didn't have to be as amicable towards the new administration as he was. Though I am gonna pout he didn't give ME one of those boxes of M&M's. I could have used a chocolate fix today. Now, can we please keep him in Texas and away from all cameras and microphones.....please?!?!?!

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Just out of curiousity (1/20/2009 4:17:24 PM)
quote: Clinton indeed gave the order to kill Bin Laden, it wasn't successful but, he gave the order...see his Fox interview with Chris Wallace. Ultimately, the war in Iraq has been squarley upon the Bush administration as it should be. Isn't it just a bit too soon to revise history that is so recent?.... Sudan offered Bin Laden up on a silver platter during Clinton's watch. The offer was turned down, and Bin Laden moved to Afghanistan.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Just out of curiousity (1/20/2009 4:27:01 PM)
quote: Colin Powell was the only one in that administration that urged caution in the rush to war. Unfortunately he let himself be misled. Horse manure. Powell is trying to paint himself in this light. It's typical of him. He also has completely removed himself from his role in covering up the My Lai massacre during the Vietnam War. I've never liked the SOB. He's a phony, and an opportunist. He didn't "let himself" into being mislead about anything. He reported the findings from our intelligence services and intelligence services in the UK, France, and Israel. All expressed concerns over reported Iraqi WMD programs. It was the right call to be concerned about it. It turned out to be wrong. Hey, that happens in the intelligence business. Powell (unloyal pussy that he is) tried to pretend he was coerced into reporting those findings. quote: Clinton had only one legitimate opportunity that I am aware of to take out Bin-Laden. My understanding of that was the risk of civilian casualties was deemed too high weighed against the reliability of the intelligence that he would be there. He had several opportunities. The biggest one was when Sudan had him and offered him to the U.S. We could have had him right there. We could have killed him several times in Afghanistan. It had nothing to do with civilian casualties.

rulemylife -> RE: Just out of curiousity (1/20/2009 4:27:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou quote: Clinton indeed gave the order to kill Bin Laden, it wasn't successful but, he gave the order...see his Fox interview with Chris Wallace. Ultimately, the war in Iraq has been squarley upon the Bush administration as it should be. Isn't it just a bit too soon to revise history that is so recent?.... Sudan offered Bin Laden up on a silver platter during Clinton's watch. The offer was turned down, and Bin Laden moved to Afghanistan. Come on, this is old news that has been widely discredited. If you have some startling, new information then offer some links.

rulemylife -> RE: Just out of curiousity (1/20/2009 4:33:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou quote: Colin Powell was the only one in that administration that urged caution in the rush to war. Unfortunately he let himself be misled. Horse manure. Powell is trying to paint himself in this light. It's typical of him. He also has completely removed himself from his role in covering up the My Lai massacre during the Vietnam War. I've never liked the SOB. He's a phony, and an opportunist. He didn't "let himself" into being mislead about anything. He reported the findings from our intelligence services and intelligence services in the UK, France, and Israel. All expressed concerns over reported Iraqi WMD programs. It was the right call to be concerned about it. It turned out to be wrong. Hey, that happens in the intelligence business. Powell (unloyal pussy that he is) tried to pretend he was coerced into reporting those findings. I don't disagree that he is an opportunist. He was the only one that showed any reluctance to get us involved in Iraq, and with good reason. I already stated he allowed himself to be misled. Whether he was misled out of a misguided sense of loyalty or whether he did it for other reasons is open to debate. To call him disloyal though is ridiculous.

kittinSol -> RE: Just out of curiousity (1/20/2009 5:06:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol What a charming sentiment [&:] . No shit, WTF (see I do agree with you on some things) Aawww, c'm here, you [8D] .

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Just out of curiousity (1/20/2009 5:15:28 PM)
quote: Come on, this is old news that has been widely discredited. If you have some startling, new information then offer some links. I haven't seen it discredited. As far as I know, it's a well established fact. Sudan wanted to get rid of him, and they offered to turn him over to us. Clinton's administration turned down the offer. You offer me any "new information" that disproves it, because I haven't seen any.

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