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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/23/2009 7:50:41 AM

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Quite honestly, my eyes glazed over when they hit the answers.com definition.

You're a bad girl! If you had your blindfold on in the first place like you're supposed to, they wouldn't glaze over! ::grins::

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Later he said unowned were for the taking. So, he's still being inconsistent.

Yep, absolutely inconsistent. He started off with a 'all slaves are' mindset and it went downhill from there.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/23/2009 7:55:53 AM

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Yep, absolutely inconsistent. He started off with a 'all slaves are' mindset and it went downhill from there.

I let him start in the gutter... that way you has no where to go but up.... or play in the gutter..... he seems to like to play!

BTW... do you know what your car did last night *w* oh baby what a car!!!!

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/23/2009 8:00:46 AM

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BTW... do you know what your car did last night *w* oh baby what a car!!!!

Damn.. you just reminded me... I have to find a place with a hose to spew forth some golden liquid into my baby's hole.

It's really expensive to do that here, too!

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/23/2009 8:04:06 AM

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BTW... do you know what your car did last night *w* oh baby what a car!!!!

Damn.. you just reminded me... I have to find a place with a hose to spew forth some golden liquid into my baby's hole. It's really expensive to do that here, too!

*GASP* My virgin eyes...where's that darn blindfold....

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/23/2009 8:16:46 AM

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I think many single people would like to be married (and thus bound heart and soul to another as long as they both shall live). And I think such people have a view of the sort of person to whom they would like to be married.

One generally thinks of such people as not "married" but want-to-be-married people. Similarly one might think of the people to whom you refer ("who call themselves slaves") perhaps not as "slaves" but as want-to-be-slaves.

They are in the state where slavery is earnestly desired but not yet achieved.

And whether a person would like to be married or be a slave ("one bound in servitude as the property of a person or household") it seems to me reasonable that they should hold views on the sort of person to whom they'd like to be married or by whom they'd like to be owned.

So answering your query, yes they want to be property but they are not yet property and therefore of course you are, strictly speaking, right that they're not slaves - they merely aspire to slavery.

I hope this is helpful. I think many of us had worked this all out some time ago and had not seen it as complicated nor had we seen it as unreasonable. Your confusion on how this stuff works suggests you may benefit from posting more questions here with which we can help you.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/23/2009 9:51:53 AM

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I am not after anyone. I am making sweeping general statements. Yet so much defense of self, when it wasn't even needed. I especially love the ones who feel a need to defend their comment when comments like theirs weren't even referenced. Taking a comment personally so often results in the other person's point not actually being heard. Perhaps 1/2 heard. Then fill in the blanks with what you think went there because you've heard it before. Which results in a viscious cycle of of "actually, what I said was...".

Who do I want to learn from? Well, as my 1/2 heard post indicated... everyone. Multiple opinions are great. It's what I'm looking for. It's hard to get to the root of why people need religion if you only study one of them. Here is what I'm trying to say: "It's hard to really get much out of "The Loving Dominant" when every paragraph is followed by three pages of a pharmacy manual" I'm not the greatest when it comes to analogies, but I hope that is clear. I'm not saying I can't get good information. I'm saying that it's hard to get to that good information when I have to scan over the things that aren't helping me learn in order to get back to the good information.
Where somebody got the idea that I was looking to learn from the OP only and that I had no interest in what the "meanies" have to say... I dunno. I suspect another 1/2 read post.

Be mean all you want. I'm not going to stop you. I'm not going to send you messages telling you that your an asshole. I'm not going to talk trash about you. I don't really care what you want to do or how you want to speak to people. But, it does give me a good view on someone when I see that they are unable to have a debatable conversation with varying degrees of disagreement without throwing out insults. Do I mean YOU? *shrugs* I dunno... you know if you are like that. And if you're not, then I'm not talking about you. I'm not going to try and stop you from being this way, but yes.. it does show me that you may not be the type of person that I would hold as a role model or a mentor (of course... everybody is allowed to fly off the handle occasionally). I prefer calm, mature people who are able to debate without anger. Passion, yes... anger, no.
It also tells me something when somebody says "this guy has always done this" and at the same time, you continue to play into it. Just like I'm doing now, still coming back to try and make the same point because my posts have apparently fallen into the 1/2 read category.

Ok, fine. This is not going anywhere. I've learned my lesson. No "adult" will admit to bad behavior or even being mistaken. These "adults" will continue to defend their nastiness. It's hard to admit to a mistake. It's even harder to admit when you've been an asshole. It takes a helluva person to admit that they stepped over the line and may have reacted badly. It is far easier to continue down that path and say "I had every right!". *shrug*

I am being an asshole now. I have stepped over the line. It was not right for me to assume that I could come in here and "change" things. I have called out bad behaviors and offended people in their right to say and act as they please. Please forgive this girl for expecting better. It is not my place to define how "adults" should act or treat each other. It was rude of me to assume that, by my comments, someone would say, "You know, you're right, we ARE reacting poorly. But this guy has a real bad history with this sort of thing and I guess he just brings out the worst of us by now."
I apologize for my audacity.

In the meantime, if someone could recommend a good place to go with more... hmm... how shall I say this... with "less emotional" participants that houses a very good learning environment ( a site, a forum, a discussion group, or even yourself) please message me on the other side.

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I agree completely with sundowner. They are not yet slaves, but aspiring to be slaves. Then by choosing the right owner, they can then be the slaves without limits that they long for.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/23/2009 10:32:20 AM

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...Actually all slave-owning societies throughout history had a lot of rules about slave owning -- who could own, how slaves were to be treated, and even ways out for slaves. These were complex rules both legal and social and deviation from them by the owner could bring about dire consequences and ridicule from their peers if not legal actions against them.

Again you're use a historical and institutional definition to discuss a subculture's use of a term. You can argue this all you like but it does change the fact that for many people the term feel right to them for whatever reason.

Better to just decide how you will use those and then find partners who also use them that way...

Just as another side note (as if this thread needed more); property ownership comes with all kinds of "limits" and restrictions (ie; rules and regulations.)

I own my house, but am subject to building code and zoning requirements.
I own my car, but have to be licensed, registered, and obey lots of other laws.
On a more personal level, contracts between individuals can be written with all kinds of clauses and codicils.

You can write contracts with any terms that you desire.

I view this as the condition of the slave in the context that we are talking about, which is consensual slavery: the slave is an equal party entering into an initial contract or agreement.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/23/2009 10:42:44 AM

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...And just for the record... turns out he and I DO have the same opinion. I am a slave to my Master. A slave without limits. I am owned. I am his property. I make no decisions, I have no rights. I have needs of which my Master knows and understands and provides.
Of course... being human, one can't help but have limits. So I just made sure to choose a Master who was in line with those limits. I.E. I have a limit about being "shared", therefore I chose a Master who doesn't like sharing his toys....

Not to pick on you, Catgirl, but I find those parts in bold to be a little contradictory.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/23/2009 10:55:02 AM

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I have called out bad behaviors and offended people in their right to say and act as they please.

You haven't offended me. You haven't called out my behavior, because I didn't previously post on the thread. And I'm still telling you that you are wrong. Something to consider.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/23/2009 11:07:24 AM

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In the meantime, if someone could recommend a good place to go with more... hmm... how shall I say this... with "less emotional" participants that houses a very good learning environment ( a site, a forum, a discussion group, or even yourself) please message me on the other side.

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Perception........mine. The only person I see getting emotional is you. If you were to read other's words with less emotion involved you might learn something here. I cannot recommend another site as I feel this is the best I've found.

Were you also to take the time to do some reading, you would find that those you more than likely think are behaving poorly, do in fact, admit their mistakes quite readily. The difference is your perception of wrong, or poor, versus someone else's. We have to believe we are wrong before we will admit it.

I do not expect you to agree with me as I believe we are coming from very different places in not only our reason for being on the site but also in how we each filter the words typed here. Don't worry, my feelings will not be hurt nor will I be I become "emotional".

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/23/2009 11:20:04 AM

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*human* slave. Means emotions. Why would a person give themselves to something that they know is going to make them misriable? I know that I can't serve a couple. I also can't be happy in a poly relationship. Knowing these things, I think if I became property to either one of those situations then I am doing them a grave injustice as well as myself. All in all? A person shouldn't set themselves up for failure.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/23/2009 11:26:50 AM

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In the same post that you quoted, I also stated that the OP has said that an unowned slave is not a slave and therefore has the right of choice because they are NOT a slave. Yes, this was information that is not in the public debate. The thing is... it MIGHT have ended up here, if the OP hadn't been stoned in the garden for voicing his opinion which just so happens to be way off the mark for a lot of other people.

If that's how he feels, why did he muddle his own post by saying that slaves have no rights to choose who owns them?

You can defend him all you like but he made his bed and until he returns to clarify things himself, people will take him as he has presented himself.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/23/2009 11:34:39 AM

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It's even harder to admit when you've been an asshole.

You got to be kidding!!?? Hell... I do it all the time!! and I have never found it hard to do!

Frankly.. I have found the the OP lacking in any post he has put on the forums..... Does that make me an asshole? No.. but I have been very much an asshole in how I have expressed my contempt for his thougths on these boards... and I will continue to be an asshole to some peoples opinions that I find lacking of any intellectual capacity or thougth. I just don't have much use to stupid question or stupid answers!

and lastly.. I don't apologize for being an asshole! No self-respecting asshole would do that!!!!

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/23/2009 12:05:02 PM

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It's even harder to admit when you've been an asshole.

You got to be kidding!!?? Hell... I do it all the time!! and I have never found it hard to do!

Frankly.. I have found the the OP lacking in any post he has put on the forums..... Does that make me an asshole? No.. but I have been very much an asshole in how I have expressed my contempt for his thougths on these boards... and I will continue to be an asshole to some peoples opinions that I find lacking of any intellectual capacity or thougth. I just don't have much use to stupid question or stupid answers!

and lastly.. I don't apologize for being an asshole! No self-respecting asshole would do that!!!!

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/23/2009 12:09:07 PM

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Gwyn, there is nothing plain about you!

LeeAnn,

A mean old bitch.

...............among other things........

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/23/2009 12:48:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: Jeptha

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...Actually all slave-owning societies throughout history had a lot of rules about slave owning -- who could own, how slaves were to be treated, and even ways out for slaves. These were complex rules both legal and social and deviation from them by the owner could bring about dire consequences and ridicule from their peers if not legal actions against them.

Again you're use a historical and institutional definition to discuss a subculture's use of a term. You can argue this all you like but it does change the fact that for many people the term feel right to them for whatever reason.

Better to just decide how you will use those and then find partners who also use them that way...
Just as another side note (as if this thread needed more); property ownership comes with all kinds of "limits" and restrictions (ie; rules and regulations.)

I own my house, but am subject to building code and zoning requirements.
I own my car, but have to be licensed, registered, and obey lots of other laws.
On a more personal level, contracts between individuals can be written with all kinds of clauses and codicils.

You can write contracts with any terms that you desire.

I view this as the condition of the slave in the context that we are talking about, which is consensual slavery: the slave is an equal party entering into an initial contract or agreement.

Exactly, Jeptha.

This fantasy that owning someone or something gives the owner the right to do anything is a complete fiction from both a legal and social view.

Take the car idea from the OP, I'm just adding this to agree with you, Jeptha. Sure you can leave your rusting car out in your yard but your neighbors may complain and you could end up paying a fine. Or if you don't have neighbors maybe some critters start living in it then they start biting you and your family when they get hungry.

Ownership means responsibility not just to the now but to the future or at least it should. You aren't free, I'm not free, not the complete meaning of that words unless we drop out of society but even then would we be truly free?

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/23/2009 12:52:20 PM

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*Hums a little song for KoM*

Gwyn,
Just a plain ol bitch.

*with tears streaming down my face***

It humbling to be so inspiring to such artistic creativity!!! I am so proud to be who I am..... An Asshole!!!

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/23/2009 12:54:42 PM

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Ok people,enough.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/23/2009 3:15:42 PM

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Where somebody got the idea that I was looking to learn from the OP only and that I had no interest in what the "meanies" have to say... I dunno. I suspect another 1/2 read post.

Since I am the one who specifically used the term meanie in my post, I will now hopefully clarify to whom I was directing it to. It most certainly was not an attack on you or anyone else, but a general statement regarding the fact that many posters have, do and likely will continue to accuse certain posters of being mean to them because in reply to their threads those posters either did not agree with them, did not coddle them, did not sympathize with them or did not sugarcoat their response, but instead were blunt in saying how they saw what was presented to the population of the boards for feedback.

Are there posters here who ARE mean? Yes there are, but they aren't generally the main ones being consistantly accused of it actually. People put their own emotions into reading what others have to say and many times that provokes some heated reaction and even total misunderstanding of the "mean" poster's actual intent and emotions in what they posted.

I have myself been accused a time or two of being mean to someone because they did not like my reply and probably will be again, but I see no need to change my way of posting from blunt to politically correct non offensive to all bs. Hell no matter how hard a person tries to not offend anyone, someone is sure as hell still going to find something to take offense at and a lot of times, in my experience, they take offense because the reply struck an uncomfortable cord in them.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/23/2009 6:23:44 PM

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Here on Collarme when emotions run high
You can post on threads and let words fly
Here on Collarme
You got subbies you got subbies on your mind
Make a post, check profiles
Log in and see what you can find
If you dom is rich go with him for a meal
If your sub's a bitch
Just write what you feel
Post on another thread
You can post and make a thread alive
When the subject is slaves
You can flame a lot and start a fire

We like kinky people
Even the doms who are mean
We love everybody
Even those on their knees
Here on Collarme
We browse profiles or post on these threads you see
We're all half crazy
BDSM is our philosophy

Post along with us, dee dee dee dee dee
Da da da da da da, yes we're half crazy
Da da da dee da da da da da da
Da da da da da da da da da da da da

As you can see here
It is slaves thread time
Don't worry folks
Soon it'll be hard limits time
And we'll post again
Mod Eleven will come and we'll all settle down
Then a newbie will come
And these threads will carry on

Here on Collarme when emotions run high
You can post on threads and let words fly
Here on Collarme
You got subbies you got subbies on your mind
Make a post, check profiles
Log in and see what you can find
If you dom is rich go with him for a meal
If your sub's a bitch
Just write what you feel
Post on another thread
You can post and make a thread alive
When the subject is slaves

We like kinky people
Even the doms who are mean
We love everybody
Even those on their knees
Here on Collarme
We browse profiles or post on these threads you see
We're all half crazy
BDSM is our philosophy

Post along with us, dee dee dee dee dee
Da da da da da da, yes we're half crazy
Da da da dee da da da da da da
Da da da da da da da da da da da da

original by Mungo Jerry

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