Maya2001
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Where did I say they were not people? Of course they are people..BUT AGAIN I SAY, by the actual def. of what a slave is they are ALSO property! They have no rights. The fact that no one owns them only means that they are available for ANYONE to own them. Back to the 1800s again. Were those cotton pickers not people? yet, they HAD no rights or privliges! What about prisoners? Do they not have their rights taken away? Yes, most of them have committed crimes, but it seems that practically every day we hear about someone innocent in prison that was put there wrongly. Are those innocent prisoners not legal slaves?
You may want to do some historical research on slavery..... slavery in the American south tended to be ugliest form of slavery historically to have existed since the beginning of slavery with the least amounts of rights and protection which consists of about 300 year of history a small fraction of the 4000 year time frame in which slavery has existed on earth. so just as others say in BDSM there is no one true way ...the same exists for slavery there is great variances between societies and cultures and with laws and releigions
Many societies did not allow owners total dominance/right over their slaves
Slavery existed long before christ.... not all slaves were captives without a choice some gave themselves freely over to someone else or sold themselves into slavery...that meant they had CHOICES. on who they where willing to sell themselves to or freely give themselves to.
here is other info
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The slave usually had few rights and always fewer than his owner, but there were not many societies in which he had absolutely none.
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Slavery was a form of dependent labour performed by a nonfamily member. The slave was deprived of personal liberty and the right to move about geographically as he desired. There were likely to be limits on his capacity to make choices with regard to his occupation and sexual partners as well. Slavery was usually, but not always, involuntary. If not all of these characterizations in their most restrictive forms applied to a slave, the slave regime in that place is likely to be characterized as “mild”; if almost all of them did, then it ordinarily would be characterized as “severe.”
***even in slave societies they had LIMITS
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In a host of other societies, such as ancient and Roman Egypt, Babylonia, Assyria, Talmudic Palestine, Gortyn, much of medieval Germany, Thailand, Mongol and Ch'ing China, medieval Spain, and the northern Nigerian emirates, slaves had the right of property ownership. Some places, such as Rome, allowed slaves to accumulate, manage, and use property in a peculium that was legally revocable but could be used to purchase their freedom. This provision gave slaves an incentive to work as well as the hope of eventual manumission.
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In Muscovy, for example, a slave might have honour and could recover from a third party who injured his honour.
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A few societies, such as late Assyria and Muscovy, allowed slaves to testify in court, but most did not. It was a rare society that permitted a slave to serve as a witness against his owner, but some societies, such as ancient Nuzi and Muscovy, allowed slaves to testify against, even to sue, third parties. That was particularly likely to be the case when slaves played a major role in the society, because disputes could not be resolved by the freemen alone without resort to evidence provided by slaves.
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Many Islamic societies, broadly interpreting the Hebrew prescription, generally prescribed that slave owners had to free their slaves after the passage of a number of years,
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Some legal systems prescribed manumission when the slave adopted the religion of his owner.
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It should be noted, however, that in Rome manumission was relatively easy and was widely practiced, even though there was a 5 percent tax on manumission in the Republic, and the Lex Fufia Caninia of 2 BC forbade manumission by testament of more than a fifth to a half of one's slaves, depending on the number owned. In much of sub-Saharan Africa, manumission was common in most periods, and the freed person typically became a kind of relative in a process of assimilation.
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although the status of the slaves was uniformly lower than that of comparable free people in every society, the material and sometimes other conditions of slaves were frequently better than those of free people; thus it is not surprising that free people occasionally volunteered to be slaves
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In Africa, where most owners and slaves were black, lineage incorporation was the primary purpose of slavery, and in most societies slaves were allowed to participate in many aspects of social life
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Still other high-status slaves worked as merchants. Before the invention of the corporation, using slaves was one way to expand the family firm. The practice seems to have begun in Babylonia and was perpetuated in Rome, Spain, the Islamic world, China, and Africa. Slaves were entrusted with large sums of money and were given charge of long-distance caravans.
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A related function was concubinage, unquestionably one of the major uses of female slaves since the beginning of the institution and particularly prevalent in China. Some societies prescribed that a concubine who bore her owner children was to be freed; others, ranging from the ancient Middle East to the European Middle Ages, specified that the offspring of free–slave unions were to be freed.
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Hanbali Muslims stated that a slave could insist that his master provide him with a spouse, and Ming Chinese masters were obliged to choose mates for their female slaves when the latter were in their teens and for males around the age of 20. In Russia marriage between a free person and a slave was recognized legally, but according to one of the oldest Russian laws the free person became enslaved by marrying a slave.
above clips from this article on the history of slavery http://www.britannica.com/blackhistory/article-9109538
here is an article on Aztec slavery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_slavery
some clip from it
A slave could have possessions and even own other slaves. Slaves could buy their liberty, and slaves could be set free if they were able to show they had been mistreated or if they had children with or were married to their masters.
a slave could escape the vigilance of their master, run outside the walls of the market and step on a piece of human excrement, and then present their case to the judges, who would grant freedom
a master could not sell a slave without the slave's consent,
People could sell themselves as slaves. They could stay free long enough to enjoy the price of their liberty, about twenty blankets, usually enough for a year; after that time they went to their new master. Usually this was the destiny of gamblers and of old ahuini (courtesans or prostitutes).
You have narrowed your views on what is slavery based on a narrow time frame of slavery based on one slave owning society only
If you look at other slave societies you can find semblences to BDSM consentual slavery.
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