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colouredin -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/25/2009 4:05:57 AM)

If you feel I missrepresented your intent masterrt then I am sorry that you feel that way.



masterforRT -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/25/2009 4:13:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

RT, no one owes you an appology. You voiced your opinion, other people do not care for your opinion and voice their opinion about your opinion. That's how this discussion thing works.

You may be able to command the slaves in your home, if indeed there are any, to behave in a specific way. Here, the moderators are in command, whether you like it or not. Sometimes many of us don't but we accept it or we leave. It is our choice. If that isn't good enough for you.........I just don't know what to tell you.


What you state is true...but unfortunately while not agreeing with my opinion and discussing such in an adult manner is one thing, being downright condesending and nasty is quite another! Read the majority of the posts here-you'll see that most of the posters (including you) act(ed) like children with all your nasty name calling.

Not to mention that as I just proved above, most of you seem to not let the FACTS get in the way of your opinions, do you?
At least you have finally acknolowleged that you realize I was stating my OPINION in the first post! It only took 14 pages for that to be understood by the lot of you.

If you want to have an adult discussion about BDSM I'm there-but from what I can see, most here want to play like a bunch of adolescents-calling names, making jokes and generally acting like a bunch of children-NOT adults!

In simple terms: GROW UP!



LaTigresse -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/25/2009 4:33:40 AM)

You are free to have your opinions, even about the intent and behaviour of others. Yet, as much as I am quite certain you would like to control it, you can't. I, and all of the other participant of the forums will conduct ourselves exactly as we wish within the terms of service of the site. Until you own the site and control the terms of service, your opinion of what is mature adult behaviour is quite simply that, an opinion. Whether those reading it give it any validation or not, is out of your control.

I've not read one of your posts, on this subject or any other, that rings true within my own soul. To have your opinion of me, matter to me, I would have to feel there is something behind your words to make them worthy. I don't. That being said, your opinion of my words, how I conduct myself, bears no weight. There is no validation. If that is upsetting to you, it is unfortunate indeed. It still doesn't matter to me. I know myself and my intent, it is enough.

As for the topic....any woman or man that states they are a slave. Regardless of current ownership or not. If they are not MY slave, I treat them as a human being. Not as a slave. That is for their master or mistress. It is my way, based upon my opinions. It may not ring true to you, or anyone else. If that is the case, it will not BE true to you. You may find my way, my opinion sublimely rediculous. It does not matter to me, I find yours so. I don't feel any threat to my peace of mind or confidence if you express your opinion of mine. I will not lash out if you express or redicule my thoughts or my way. It doesn't matter to me. Your opinion would have to have some measure of weight for me to care.

It is humorous to me, that someone that calls themself master, cannot master his own responses to someone expressing an opinion that does not fall in line with his own. Why should it matter? It should have no affect on you or your household. Simply acknowledge it exists and move on. It is what adults that have mastered themselves do.



StrangerThan -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/25/2009 4:50:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

You are free to have your opinions, even about the intent and behaviour of others. Yet, as much as I am quite certain you would like to control it, you can't. I, and all of the other participant of the forums will conduct ourselves exactly as we wish within the terms of service of the site. Until you own the site and control the terms of service, your opinion of what is mature adult behaviour is quite simply that, an opinion. Whether those reading it give it any validation or not, is out of your control.

I've not read one of your posts, on this subject or any other, that rings true within my own soul. To have your opinion of me, matter to me, I would have to feel there is something behind your words to make them worthy. I don't. That being said, your opinion of my words, how I conduct myself, bears no weight. There is no validation. If that is upsetting to you, it is unfortunate indeed. It still doesn't matter to me. I know myself and my intent, it is enough.

As for the topic....any woman or man that states they are a slave. Regardless of current ownership or not. If they are not MY slave, I treat them as a human being. Not as a slave. That is for their master or mistress. It is my way, based upon my opinions. It may not ring true to you, or anyone else. If that is the case, it will not BE true to you. You may find my way, my opinion sublimely rediculous. It does not matter to me, I find yours so. I don't feel any threat to my peace of mind or confidence if you express your opinion of mine. I will not lash out if you express or redicule my thoughts or my way. It doesn't matter to me. Your opinion would have to have some measure of weight for me to care.

It is humorous to me, that someone that calls themself master, cannot master his own responses to someone expressing an opinion that does not fall in line with his own. Why should it matter? It should have no affect on you or your household. Simply acknowledge it exists and move on. It is what adults that have mastered themselves do.


You know, there are occasions where you want to say something, then someone comes along and says what you had in mind, only better than you could have or would have.

I'll go back to sitting in the corner now because you did just that LaTigresse.



kazzaslave -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/25/2009 5:49:18 AM)

Greetings MasterforRT,
 
Actually we DO choose who owns us, and that is the last decision we make.  From then on we are property with no rights including the right to make decisions. I don't imagine that simply saying "Hey you, you in the back, you belong to me" would go over well, especially in the world at large.*smiles*
 
As to how we can make the decision as to who owns us, simple, unlike a car or house we have brains and are living human beings. You're right a car or house cannot choose who to belong to, we can and do.
 
Now I'm sure that there are some whose kink it is to be simply taken but the vast majority of us do choose our Owner.
 
I hope this answers your question, Master,
 
iwyw,
 
kazza



RedMagic1 -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/25/2009 6:12:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: masterforRT
At least you have finally acknolowleged that you realize I was stating my OPINION in the first post!

All posts are statements of opinion.  Even the Moderators are stating opinions.  They just have additional powers, to enforce their opinions on others.  It did not appear to me that the posters on this thread were unaware that you were stating an opinion instead of a fact.

Not all opinions are equal.  Some people fantasize about how the world ought to be, while others are grounded in the way the world truly is.  I have seen that, in general, people who are in -- or who have been in -- long-term D/s relationships are better at providing advice to others about what "D" and "s" really mean, than are people who only wish they had a slave, and don't because the women on this site are "fake."

You have often complained about your inability to find someone on this site.  By contrast, several of the posters who posted "childishly" on this thread are currently in successful D/s relationships.  I choose to give their comments more weight than yours.  You could choose to pay attention to people who know more than you do.  You might be happier if you did.  Would you rather be successful in your search, or be emptyhanded but "right?"



thetammyjo -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/25/2009 8:21:41 AM)

Excellent response about "Old Guard" BitaTruble.

Well done.



Opalescence -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/25/2009 9:23:41 AM)

Waaaait a minute, I'm not supposed to just smile pretty and nod every time someone says "Yer mine, beetch."

Dammit, I knew I was doing something wrong.



alittleevil -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/25/2009 10:59:29 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: masterforRT
I have always believed that slaves are property, just like a house or a car.

quote:


The definition of slave from Answers.com is as follows:  
"One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household."

That would be me: bound in servitude as the property of my Master's household. I am a different sort of property than his house or car or bike, but bottom line, he determines the uses that he puts me to.

quote:


More and more, I see people who call themselves slaves claiming that they only want women...or men...or couples.


Possibly because it is necessary to assign a basic descriptive label to oneself when you put yourself on the market and there is no check box for the elaborated "one seeking slavery"--it would possibly be a useful check box to have, but there isn't one, so those seeking make do with what there is that most closely matches their nature. 

quote:

I don't see my car refusing to start for only one sex-so how can a slave make any decision as to who owns them?


This is actually a more interesting and complex question. It's true that  following my own nature and free will carried me down the path that led to meeting Master. For the purposes of marketing myself i labeled myself a "slave" since that was the life i sought--a word to give others a basic idea of what they were getting with me.  As i was not at that time a slave as defined as one who is bound in servitude, i was a free entity and as such there was a lot of active decision making on my part when people expressed interest in me while i was on this proverbial block. However, once Master and i met,  i really don't feel i  made any decision as to whether or not he would own me.  My nature made me susceptible to the process but  at no time time  did i consciously "decide" to submit/surrender to him. My ability to make any decision about the whole thing ended at about the end of our first hour together. He wanted me, he was able to claim me and enslave me and he did.  (Of course, the being able to claim and enslave me required compatibility and such, which required at least a modicum of collaboration on my part, but this is the 21st century Western world).   In short, while i, as a free individual acting under my own will made the decision to meet with this particular man, once he determined i would be his slave it was kind of out of my hands since he also (and this is very important) had the will and ability to enslave me. If a woman, or a couple had been interested in and capable of enslaving me, that's what would have happened instead.

Other people do and see things differently, of course. C'est la vie.

Best,
aj




welcomerain -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/25/2009 11:40:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: masterforRT

"I have always believed that slaves are property"

Do you not know what a personal opinion is?

Now, why don't YOU go back and read my original post-as you instructed the poster to?

And then apologize.


No apology from me. Everyone posts their opinions on the board. You think you deserve some sort of deference for doing it? More to the point, since it is your "personal" opinion, why are you surprised people seem to be attacking you personally?

You are welcome to seek the sort of slavery arrangement you are outlining. Other people are welcome to enter it.

However, you were asking why potential slaves seem to think they have the right to say no to you. That's ridiculous. The fact is that the more power you expect to turn over to your partner, the more due diligence you have to exercise when you choose who that partner is. It seems to be your, ahem, "personal opinion" that they should just shrug their shoulders when you express interest and trust to luck that you know what you're doing.

With all due respect, you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword in your face. I don't even play casually with anyone unless I have some reason to believe they know what they are doing. I won't enter a relationship with anyone unless I have some reason to believe we are compatible over a long period of time. And I would never enter contracted slavery unless I were 100% confident that the person in question could handle the responsibility. Maybe you can, but that is not apparent to me from your OP. You betcha bottom dollar I'd have requirements.

quote:

If you want to have an adult discussion about BDSM I'm there-but from what I can see, most here want to play like a bunch of adolescents-calling names, making jokes and generally acting like a bunch of children-NOT adults!


If you want to have an adult conversation about BDSM, you can start by realizing that any opinion that includes the idea that true BDSM involves some form of non-consent will lead to a brush fire. Opining that everyone in a relationship that is defined by consent is merely role-playing will pour oil on that.



gumshoe -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/25/2009 2:20:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: amberyone

quote:

ORIGINAL: Amaros

Um, because they are people?


They are?? Well that's gonna burst a few bubbles...

And as for the car, I'm sure if a car could make a choice it would only be drove by certain people.... But, a car doesn't have a brain, a slave does


Don't forget they feelings as well.



came4U -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/25/2009 7:01:44 PM)

OP, If a slave wasn't picky in her choice of a great, worthy Master ...she would be out on a street corner with a sandwich board that reads "Free to good home! Will do anything, for ANYBODY, anywhere at ANY time." then goes home with the first shmuck who takes her to his hovel of an apartment.

Otherwise..be realistic.  A person searching 'here' has more self-respect and brains than that.  Why assume that because they have the label of 'slave or submissive' that they do not have the right to choose a man of worth, integrity and means?  uhhg.  To think otherwise is to imply slaves are total worthless morons.



cloudboy -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/25/2009 7:51:11 PM)

quote:

I have always believed that slaves are property, just like a house or a car.


Well, that sums up the errors in your thinking right there.



Naberius -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/25/2009 7:55:12 PM)

Lots of good input. Requirements are a slaves guidelines. They need them to feel safe and secure before venturing further and it is the dominants role to abide by them and honor those requirements. Otherwise he isn't true to himself or the lifestyle.

Now if a requirement is outlandish, I over look it and move on. Though I guess the only thing I cannot stand about a slave with requirements is that of those who want photos right off the bat. I am old school and when I search for a partner, I hope to touch her heart. As sadistic as I am, the slaves heart is important to me but when an ad calls for "no pic no reply" trust me, I don't bother with them as they aren't true to the form nor being truthful of their wants and the photo they have, probably isn't one of them. That is an outlandish requirement. Everything else that is said to me is noted, questioned and discussed. Once an agreement is made, then slave becomes property.

However, even property has a right to voice themselves...as I stated in a previous thread...to question is right, to demand is disrespectful.





Lockit -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/25/2009 8:21:44 PM)

Wow... lol

I'm behaving... it is difficult...  but I think I now have a new lip piercing...



TranceTara -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/25/2009 9:17:17 PM)

I had to go back to the OP to see what you actually wrote masterforRT.
quote:

More and more, I see people who call themselves slaves claiming that they only want women...or men...or couples. I have always believed that slaves are property, just like a house or a car. I don't see my car refusing to start for only one sex-so how can a slave make any decision as to who owns them?

The definition of slave from Answers.com is as follows:
"One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household."

Property....right?

I'm interested in what the rest of you think.


So, when I read, "I have always believed that slaves are property," I got the feeling you were expressing that this was your belief, but that perhaps, just maybe it wasn't set in stone. I don't know, perhaps I am wrong. Just a vibe. Then you wrote, "I'm interested in what the rest of you think." So, then I thought that maybe you were interested in seeing other opinions. Maybe you might change yours, maybe not. Again, just a feeling.

For me, that is not how I feel. I came into the scene with some who had the belief you did. I was a young woman at the time and a novice and they felt since I was a "slave" I could be hit and beaten whenever they wanted. I left the "Old Guard" world of BDSM thinking that all in that world were cruel and sadistic and did not care one bit for the human being that offered herself to them. That was way back in 1985. I eased back into the scene in 1999 via Pro Dommes just to get my feet wet (not to mention other parts [:D]) and realized there was a calling deep within me. I just let it be without risking a RT relationship for I still did not trust.

I then began to meet a variety of people and found some who understood more of where I was coming from. I have learned there is not right or wrong. I am not Old Guard. I choose to no longer be On Guard. I am more Avant Guard. I say I have a slave or service oriented heart, but do not define myself. Perhaps a quantum slave would best describe me.

And to you DominantDamsel, you said on p. 12
quote:

This OP is seeking something that for him is no role-playing game. He wants a real time slave that is the true meaning of the word, who doesn't belong to some slave labor union with a list a mile long that details what she will or won't do. The man wants a slave who won't mind being simple property, who gets off on that kind of thing, and he's certainly entitled to attempt to find one here amongst the lot of you if he so desires, is he not? So what's with all the jeering and the joking? Do you have any idea how it looks?

This is not roleplay for everyone. Some actually take this serious.


When I see terms such as "real time slave that is the true meaning of the word," and "Some actually take this serious," I feel that my seriousness about this lifestyle is discounted by you. I may not feel the same as you, I may not define myself the same way you or the OP does, but that does not discount how very deeply my soul yearns for Her. In no way am I saying you are wrong. I am just saying we have differing opinions of the reality of "slaveness". Is that a word? Now it is! [sm=idea.gif]

I just got back from dinner at a Tibetan restaurant. There were statues of Buddha as well as Tangkas everywhere. I sat reading The Way of the Bodhisattva and The Dhammapada as well as a book on Time Travel. In the latter, the author was discussing Einstein's Theory of Relativity and the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle as well as saying how quantum physics has basically proved that the world is nothing but probabilities and until an experiment is devised to predict an outcome, anything is possible. Until I have a thought, anything is possible. So, for me, any type of slave is possible. Any type of Master or Mistress is possible.

And, I began to laugh as I read in the Dhammapada about The True Master:
Wanting nothing
With all your heart
Stop the stream.

When the world dissolves
Everything becomes clear.

Go beyond
This way or that way,
To the farther shore
Where the world dissolves
And everything becomes clear.

Beyond this shore
And the farther shore,
beyond the beyond,
Where there is no beginning,
No end.
======
And further on it goes:
=======
The master endures
Insults and ill treatment
Without reacting,
For his spirit is an army.

He is never angry.
He keeps his promises.
he never strays, he is determined.
This body is my last, he says!
====
And further:
How clear he is.
He is the moon.
he is serene.
He shines.
==
And further down:

He is calm.
In him the seed of renewing life
Has been consumed.
He has conquered all the inner worlds.
===

As I read that in the restaurant I realized then and there that to be the slave I wish to be, I must first be a Master of my emotions, [sm=Groaner.gif]
for only then can I truly submit to my One.

I wish to thank all of you for opening my eyes a bit wider and opening my heart a bit more. I have learned that I am a very strong and powerful woman, and yet, I am also a vulnerable woman. There goes that Yin/yang again.

And I would like to end this by sharing a poem I wrote in 1999 when I had a crush on my first Pro Domme:

Thrashed

Thrashed by the morals of a society
that is lost in its fear of pleasure,
i feel beaten.
i hate it.

Thrashed by the lashes of my Mistress's whip,[sm=mistress.gif]
i am lost to my pleasure in fear,
i am beaten.
i love it.

Shackled by the restraints of what is deemed proper,
of what is normal,
i feel bound, trapped in hell.

Shackled by the restraints deemed proper by my Mistress,
our normal ritual,
i am bound, free to travel to Nirvana.
====

May we all find that peace within so we may spread it without (as well as our legs[sm=ubanana.gif]) and the freedom to continue to express our opinions.

Namaste,
TT

Oh, and then I re-read the "slaves with requirements" part. Yes, I do have requirements. I have the requirement to be loved, cared for and respected. Is that not what each and every one of us wishes? To be loved? So yes, I do have requirements. And I do have some physical limitations, so again, requirements based upon my physical needs. In all honesty, I am a romantic at heart. In my own world I can combine romance with M/s and D/s. I can buy Her flowers and She can buy me flowers. We can give each other massages. I can light candles, put on soft music and we can sit gazing into each others' eyes as she consumes me with Her power. Perhaps that is not a slave in terms of Old Guard but it sure warms my heart, soul and, ahem, I'll leave that to your imagination. [:D]





DominantDamsel -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/25/2009 9:59:01 PM)

That's a lovely post, Tara. Thank you for that.

As to what you've highlighted in regard to myself, I wanted to stress that I feel quite strongly that you are entitled to your own opinion one hundred percent and I respect your feelings and thoughts on that opinion, even while it differs from mine. I'll try to explain why I think as I do about slavery, in particular.

At one time, I was attempting submission and slavery drew me like a moth to a flame. I couldn't explain why but it was attractive on some core level and I began to explore the realm of submission. Through that exploration, I found that I am a prideful being and have the spirit of a warrior and a rebel, instead of the calm, humble, passive spirit of the natural submissive or natural slave. Though I could bend that will of mine in order to please, it was terribly hard for me and highly unnatural. It was certainly enlightening and even good for me to attempt it, but it became clear through more time spent and more experimentation that I did not have a "slave heart." I was simply too full of pride to bend consistently. It took much time to discover this about myself.

Through this time of learning, I met many, many dominants, submissives, and masters and mistresses. I developed opinions that defined for me what each was in my own mind. I developed strong personal opinions upon what a slave is based upon a host of slaves who were essentially regarded as "property." I learned about the differences between a dominant and a master. I met many such masters and respected those I got to know well very much.

The one thing that stood out in my mind that lingered was the unfortunate (to me at the time) fact that I was not and would never be what I refer to as "slave material." This was difficult to accept because I had wanted it so. Oh, I could have submitted, certainly... but my heart would never submit as completely or fully as the slave heart that is living only as a vessel to be used purely for her owner's needs, wants, and desires, whatever those might be and whomever that owner(s) might be. It is in that purity that I found "real." This was the truth about slavery for me. (Ymmv).

Hard as it was to accept, I was holding what I had wanted up to a standard that was shown me that I accepted as a true, real time, factual example of slavery and the same with submission. I was also realizing that I was falling far short. I carry this perception with me now, and for the most part the acceptance of it is easier now; still, as one who does not like to fail, I will never be fully content about my lack.

Now, I do realize that you are not me and neither is anyone else. There will be others who see all of this differently, who have their own perceptions, who have their own stories, who have had experiences with entirely different people. I'm not sure who is right. I only know that for each one of us, our feelings and thoughts are valid. They count.

Know that while we may not share the same definition of these various labels, I applaud your right to believe in the "rightness" of them for you. I respect your right to the same.

I think this very thought is key to understanding where MasterforRT is coming from, even if the collective you here don't share his personal perspective on slavery. I think he is very much interested in your definitions and why you feel as you do and would like to exchange thought and share ideas, but to get to this, he has to be shown the respect he deserves as a human being within this public online "community." I'm not saying you have to become submissive to him or respect him as a master or anything of the kind. I'm saying it is important to allow him to be entitled to his own perception and to respect his right to that perception on whatever topic we may be discussing, and to exhibit that respect by providing a reasonable environment whereby he will feel at ease enough to express himself.

We can't learn from others who are having to play defense against our personal jeers and attacks, or a lack of respect for their right to even voice their perspective. And if they show no respect for opinions different from their own, they can't learn from us. The environment has to be a safe one for everyone to be heard and understood. It is this that is the most important, that is the most productive, that will glean us so much more knowledge and that is what we're all after here, isn't it?



Lockit -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/26/2009 7:54:35 AM)

To learn one must have a teachable spirit.

Respect is not a given, it is earned.

How we act and what we do and say relfects back upon us, good or bad... and although a flipant comment is something we all have done, when one is consistant in what they say and do... it is a gauge in which other's will judge us.  All judgment is not bad.  When one says or does inflamitory things on a consistant basis, few will respect or give credit to them and will often times deal with the person in a flipant manner and/or challenge them.  Especailly when some offense is taken to what a person says or does consistantly.

The arguement of what a slave or submissive is, is a common one on these boards.  Sometimes people get a little tired of the argument.  For what it's worth... I don't believe that we can have a view of things that expects things to go a certian way in a public forum, with different personalities and belief's and respect or anything else cannot be expected simply because... we are people, not really a community... likeminded maybe in some area's of interest, but not always of the same mind. 

If I go outside and I see someone and walk up to them and insult them, I am going to get a response.  Some will laugh... walk away and other's might wish to hit me and some will.  It takes an adult to know that what they do or say will envoke a response and some are out there looking for that response, whatever it might be... because they like to be inflamitory and are motivated for whatever reason... to stir things up.



Amaros -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/26/2009 8:19:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: surelyujest71

Perhaps if we look into the more distant past, we can find a definition of "slave" which fits better?

In ancient Rome and Greece, slavery wasn't racially biased.  It simply meant that a person was owned by another person.  The slave's actions were considered to reflect upon the Master.  And, while some slaves were kept more or less as concubines, others were kept to keep house, or help with the household's income.  Many were some sort of combination of these.  "BDSM" as we know it usually didn't apply... we can be fairly sure that if a slave in those times were abused, he or she would either roll over and die, or get up and run.  (unless they liked it.... fetishes existed back then, too, right? ;) ) 

In current times, involuntary slavery is limited to a few areas of the world; usually in 3rd world nations.  In Brazil, once you get away from "civilization," there are some who manage their wealth by enslaving the natives, and anyone else who happens to be convenient.  I'm sure similar things happen elsewhere.  These sorts of slaves only exist to help build the Owner's wealth.  Although, a few might be picked out of the herd to act as a household maid, or concubine.  To my understanding, this category of slaves are often roughly treated, no matter their preferences in the matter.

To me, I prefer the first category - the ancients' concept.  Brought forward to today, and adding in free consent on the part of the slave... it's often more erotic, but also a very stable situation.  And hey!  Slaves have always come with a price tag, right?  In our subculture, the price tag includes consent.

Hopefully I haven't re-written someone else's point... I've only read page 4 of this thread.  :p

Maybe, but the bottom line is, BDSM slavery is not a condition, it's and identity - if it's a condition, it's illegal, if it's an identity, i.e., one self identifies as a "slave", then it's meaning is subjective, meaning that the person who identifies as the slave is the one who defines what that means.

As master, owner, whatever, I can at best try to influence that identity definition, talk you into something different, I can't force you to do anything you don't want to do because unlike my truck, you are not technically property, there is no such thing as title to another human being that is recognized in this country, everyone is accorded the same rights and privileges as everybody else, according to the constitution, the bill of rights and the statutes.

The OP is saying that anybody who identifies as a slave shouldn't care how their master treats them, should be willing to take whatever they dish out - I think this is a bit unrealistic, and it's probably why there is a market for human trafficking, because again, in BDSM, even identifying as a slave does not abrogate your human and civil rights, for mst, it's more of a fantasy, rather than a desire to be made miserable.

Now there might well be somebody out there that doesn't mind being made miserable, but it's up to the Dom to find them and talk them into allowing you to be the one to make them miserable - if we call this the market, then for all practical pusposes, it's the self identified slave that sets the price, in this case that may mean requirements, there is no third party, it's strictly negotiotion between the two of you, meet the price or move along.

No big shock here, that's what women do, they have requirements, go figure.



Amaros -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/26/2009 8:20:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: came4U

OP, If a slave wasn't picky in her choice of a great, worthy Master ...she would be out on a street corner with a sandwich board that reads "Free to good home! Will do anything, for ANYBODY, anywhere at ANY time." then goes home with the first shmuck who takes her to his hovel of an apartment.


Damn the luck.



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