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themischievous1 -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/26/2009 8:00:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tachikata

In all things, we pursue happiness and fullfillment. We seek that which brings us what we need. The true definition of slave is one who is property without consent. They are bought, captured and sold.  Their bodies and obedience might be owned, but they within their heart and spirit are not. I would say that the dictionary difinition of slave might be acurate. We use the word slave because it is erotic to think of one as total property without choice but in true essence, the full and complete ownership of anyone rests in the possesion of the will, choice, heart and inner being. Freely given.

Seeking that which fits...makes that which one may need, such as surrender..possible.

All in all, weather titled slave, submissive, bottom, Top, Dominant or Master. This is really all about being free to be who we are and what is required to bring that freedom into being.

I actually hate labels, definitions etc...Take away from truth.


I agree completely with pretty much everything you've written here. What you've written above reminds me of the original Story of O. I remember the part in the film where O tells Sir Stephen that she loves Rene' and that this is why she will be obedient to Sir Stephen, because of her love for Rene'. Sir Stephen shakes his head firmly and tells her, "You will obey me without loving me and without my loving you!" And then he orders her to completely expose herself physically and emotionally in a scenario that was very difficult for her. He was attempting to teach O that true slavery/submission had nothing whatsoever to do with romantic love and meant the ability to be submissive to whomever was commanding her.

This had to be one of the more exciting moments of that film. Talk about hot! The true test of one's submissive nature, imo, is if one is capable of obeying literally any dominant/master/mistress and loving it solely for the submissive experience and the demand of giving into one's submissive nature completely.



Nikitaa -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/26/2009 8:52:36 PM)

Real slaves do not get choice of if they want to be a slave or not be a slave. People playing slave are making a choice to be slave so really they are not a slave.

I am trying to say ........... ---> If you have a choice and you can choose to be a slave or choose to be a free man then you can not choose to be slave because real slave would not have freedom to make choice.

^^^^^^^^^^^I do not know what I wrote but I do know what I meant to say.


I make an edit. What I really mean to write ----->Kink slavery is all pretend so the people can pretend to slave anyway they want. All the dominatrix and submissive and slave kink is pretend so there are no rules except for the rules the pretenders make for themselves.

edit again. blah blah blah blah blah. Just forget everything I wrote. Some thoughts do not translate from Polish to English correctly.



catize -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/26/2009 9:02:18 PM)

 
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 I think this very thought is key to understanding where MasterforRT is coming from, even if the collective you here don't share his personal perspective on slavery. I think he is very much interested in your definitions and why you feel as you do and would like to exchange thought and share ideas, but to get to this, he has to be shown the respect he deserves as a human being within this public online "community." I'm not saying you have to become submissive to him or respect him as a master or anything of the kind. I'm saying it is important to allow him to be entitled to his own perception and to respect his right to that perception on whatever topic we may be discussing, and to exhibit that respect by providing a reasonable environment whereby he will feel at ease enough to express himself.


I cannot seriously consider this a valid statement:
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 I have always believed that slaves are property, just like a house or a car.

Can the OP provide a convincing rationale as to why he believes a slave is property just like (notice he did not say sort of like, or much like, he says just like) a car or a house?
Am I to give this thought any kind of serious consideration when his statement is simply not true?  Of course a human is not just like anything that is manufactured or inanimate.  And if he did not mean that any human who identifies as a slave doesn’t have a brain to think or a heart to feel, then what did he mean?  And why didn’t he say what he really meant?
Why would you believe that I or anyone here needs to give the OP any credence or respect?  His statement is untrue, therefore his premise is flawed.
If one writes a thought and then asks for opinions on that thought, it would seem to me that the writer needs to think a bit more   carefully, thoughtfully, if you will.  And if he didn’t want differing opinions, then he should have said something like “only those who agree with me need reply.”  Not that this crowd would have listened to that, but it would have been a bit more honest. 
So no, I do not agree with you that we must give weight to words that have not been carefully considered.  Every one of us can demand respect; that doesn’t mean we deserve it, or even if we do, that we will get it
I believe the OP’s problem, one of them anyway, is that this is an environment that is a little too reasonable for his liking.



Huntertn -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/26/2009 9:13:19 PM)

free range slaves..yip-kia...lololol..rope up boys and girls..lolol..what an immage...



thesugarplum -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/26/2009 9:18:39 PM)

PRIVATE PROPERTY
NO TRESSPASSING
NO LOITERING
NO SOLICITING



TranceTara -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/26/2009 9:26:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tachikata

In all things, we pursue happiness and fullfillment. We seek that which brings us what we need. The true definition of slave is one who is property without consent. They are bought, captured and sold.  Their bodies and obedience might be owned, but they within their heart and spirit are not. I would say that the dictionary difinition of slave might be acurate. We use the word slave because it is erotic to think of one as total property without choice but in true essence, the full and complete ownership of anyone rests in the possesion of the will, choice, heart and inner being. Freely given.

Seeking that which fits...makes that which one may need, such as surrender..possible.

All in all, weather titled slave, submissive, bottom, Top, Dominant or Master. This is really all about being free to be who we are and what is required to bring that freedom into being.

I actually hate labels, definitions etc...Take away from truth.


How beautifully put Tachikata. Thank you. I agree with you about the labels. They are useful in helping us categorize so we may have a means of choosing, but getting hung up on a label, for me, does take me further away from The Truth I am a part of.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nikitaa

Real slaves do not get choice of if they want to be a slave or not be a slave. People playing slave are making a choice to be slave so really they are not a slave.

I am trying to say ........... ---> If you have a choice and you can choose to be a slave or choose to be a free man then you can not choose to be slave because real slave would not have freedom to make choice.

^^^^^^^^^^^I do not know what I wrote but I do know what I meant to say.


I make an edit. What I really mean to write ----->Kink slavery is all pretend so the people can pretend to slave anyway they want. All the dominatrix and submissive and slave kink is pretend so there are no rules except for the rules the pretenders make for themselves.

edit again. blah blah blah blah blah. Just forget everything I wrote. Some thoughts do not translate from Polish to English correctly.


You make a lot of sense to me Nikitaa. I was talking about this with a slave. He and his Master both know they are playing in the game of Samsara, or for some they call it Lila. They have an agreement and abide by it and take it very seriously, but they also have a sense of humour about it as well. They understand the mind and the games it wishes to play.

So, this whole world before our eyes, and the subset BDSM world is all pretend in a sense. It feels so real, and at times extremely pleasurable, at other times it can hurt a lot, but underneath it all is a Truth that is magnificent.



Nikitaa -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/26/2009 9:35:33 PM)

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TranceTara ^^^^all that stuff up there


I am glad you understood my writing TranceTara. When my teacher taught English to me she did not teach kinky phrases to me. I learned to say "where is the powder room" and "how much for the pony?" I did not learn to say "get on the floor sub man so I can walk on you and put ice cubes up your butt." <------only the triangle ice cubes I use. The squares ones would hurt too much I am thinking.



WyldHrt -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/26/2009 10:22:45 PM)

-FR-
This is what happens when you try to boil something as complex as a human being down into a single word. Labels will always be found wanting because humans are a spectrum, no matter what aspect is being discussed, and 99.99% of any given population will not fit neatly into whatever little tic boxes are available. In a lifestyle where labels are self-imposed, and the most (for me, only) important definition of any label is how it is viewed between the people in a given relationship, there will never be a standardized definition of any given label. This is why there aren't recognized degrees qualifying someone as "master", "dom" "top", "switch", "sub", "slave", "bottom" etc. and 850 rules that someone claiming a given title must follow in order to be "real". Honestly, who would want such a thing?

As to those using the dictionary definition of slave, word to the wise. English is NOT a dead language, and words often take on new meanings depending on context and popular use, particularly amongst groups that share a common interest. Take the word "troll" for example. To someone who doesn't use the 'net much, a troll is a mythical creature from fairy tales, a method used to catch fish, or something to do with singing. To most internet forum regulars (no matter what forum), a troll is an obnoxious person who likes to stir the pot or start fights on a message board or in a chat room. The last definition has not made it into most dictionaries YET, but it is what almost any netizen will think of first.

For DominantDamsel- While I get what you are saying about politeness and such (I disagree about respect, as that is to be earned in my opinion), please understand that part of being a contributing member of this community is, you know, joining the community. People get to know each other here by the words both written and read. Fair or not, one's posts will be read by most with an eye as to what one has posted before. If I were to make 100 posts that made me look like a contentious bitch, then I would expect to be treated as such on post 101. In my mind this is mostly a good thing, as it gives a frame of reference to people's posts. Unfortunately, when said posting history is extremely negative, sometimes the reaction to a post or thread can look excessive to one unfamiliar with the history. This is not unique to CM; it is actually quite common on any message board that has a regular membership... much, I suspect, to the dismay of Mods all over the globe when the flamethrowers come out, lol.





DominantDamsel -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/27/2009 1:04:31 AM)

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Original: TranceTara:
So to those who have shared their feelings I thank you for helping me delve deeper into myself and DD, if it would be okay I would like to email you on cm to ask you questions for I find you have done a lot of the soul searching I am in the process of and would like to get some more information from you. You seem like another soul I can share some of the painful insights with as well, since from what I have read in your posts, and your profile, you have had the ups and downs I seem to be going through in my journey.


Yes, it would definitely be okay. I'll be happy to offer my take on whatever you would like to chat about.

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrtFor DominantDamsel- While I get what you are saying about politeness and such (I disagree about respect, as that is to be earned in my opinion), please understand that part of being a contributing member of this community is, you know, joining the community. People get to know each other here by the words both written and read. Fair or not, one's posts will be read by most with an eye as to what one has posted before. If I were to make 100 posts that made me look like a contentious bitch, then I would expect to be treated as such on post 101. In my mind this is mostly a good thing, as it gives a frame of reference to people's posts. Unfortunately, when said posting history is extremely negative, sometimes the reaction to a post or thread can look excessive to one unfamiliar with the history. This is not unique to CM; it is actually quite common on any message board that has a regular membership... much, I suspect, to the dismay of Mods all over the globe when the flamethrowers come out, lol.


I'm assuming that you're speaking to MasterforRT's posting history in what you're saying above? It's interesting that you would bring this up as I've already read through that for myself the other evening when I first took note of the poor treatment of him on this thread. I suppose I was searching for exactly what it was about him that had offended so many here. Strangely enough, I've read through the entire five pages worth of postings of his that go back to the middle of last year, I guess. And do you know what I found, WyldHrt?

I found a very succinct mindset, logical and intelligent, as well as a wonderful sense of humor. I also noted a strong, dominant presence, and one who often wished others "good luck" from a place of good will and seemingly well meaning intent. His posts indicate a desire to help others who may be struggling, and a person who overall appears to be positive, if a bit on the cynical side.

So no.... I'm afraid I found nothing whatsoever within this good master's post history that would horrify or offend -- quite the opposite, in fact. Now, I admit that I'm beginning to wonder if some are simply jealous of the attention and fame he suddenly appears to be receiving, due to this thread and the way its gone. (chuckle)

I suppose if I'm mistaken in some way or have missed something positvely abhorrent that you would be willing to point it out for me? Please feel free to do so via private message to my inbox if you would like.






TranceTara -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/27/2009 2:18:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nikitaa

quote:

TranceTara ^^^^all that stuff up there


I am glad you understood my writing TranceTara. When my teacher taught English to me she did not teach kinky phrases to me. I learned to say "where is the powder room" and "how much for the pony?" I did not learn to say "get on the floor sub man so I can walk on you and put ice cubes up your butt." <------only the triangle ice cubes I use. The squares ones would hurt too much I am thinking.


[sm=biggrin.gif] Maybe you can open your own language school for kink? You can give "chill out" a whole, or in this case, hole, new meaning. And, some may think "how much for the pony," is BDSM related as well. [:D]



DesFIP -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/27/2009 6:05:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

For DominantDamsel- While I get what you are saying about politeness and such (I disagree about respect, as that is to be earned in my opinion), please understand that part of being a contributing member of this community is, you know, joining the community. People get to know each other here by the words both written and read. Fair or not, one's posts will be read by most with an eye as to what one has posted before. If I were to make 100 posts that made me look like a contentious bitch, then I would expect to be treated as such on post 101. In my mind this is mostly a good thing, as it gives a frame of reference to people's posts. Unfortunately, when said posting history is extremely negative, sometimes the reaction to a post or thread can look excessive to one unfamiliar with the history. This is not unique to CM; it is actually quite common on any message board that has a regular membership... much, I suspect, to the dismay of Mods all over the globe when the flamethrowers come out, lol.


Not just on message boards. If in real life I go into a shop and one clerk there is always rude and nasty, do expect me not to buy anything from her but to go to another store where the clerks are nicer. If in an office, I am asked for help by a coworker who is friendly, expect his/her requests to be met quickly whereas the nasty coworker will be told that I am too busy to do his work for him.



NuevaVida -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/27/2009 8:04:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

To those who are unowned:  Do you identify as a slave, despite the fact that you are not owned?  Would you please share your thoughts on this?

To those who ARE owned slaves:  Did YOU consider yourself a slave prior to being bagged and tagged?




I'll answer the above since I have related to both questions.

I am unowned now and do not consider myself a slave.  When I was unowned before my former owner owned me, I considered myself someone who believed she wanted to be a slave, and who pursued that type of relationship.  But until I had someone to be a slave to, I wasn't a slave.

Now...well, I am submissive, but even if I wanted to become enslaved again (and right now I don't think I do), I wouldn't consider myself a slave unless I was, well, enslaved.



welcomerain -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/27/2009 8:10:45 AM)

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Now, I admit that I'm beginning to wonder if some are simply jealous of the attention and fame he suddenly appears to be receiving, due to this thread and the way its gone.


This says quite a bit more about you than you probably realize.



sirsholly -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/27/2009 8:11:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: welcomerain

quote:

Now, I admit that I'm beginning to wonder if some are simply jealous of the attention and fame he suddenly appears to be receiving, due to this thread and the way its gone.


This says quite a bit more about you than you probably realize.

*nods*



heartfeltsub -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/27/2009 8:14:38 AM)

Attention and fame!! Attention and fame from whom, for what. i honestly don't understand where you would think such attention and fame would be coming from and for what. There have been many longer threads and more active threads in my time on the forums and i am a relative newbie in comparison to some. The more that i read your posts DD, the more i am wondering if you are the OP in another form. i could be very wrong, but the thought has crossed my mind.

heartfelt



alittleevil -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/27/2009 8:15:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance


To those who are unowned:  Do you identify as a slave, despite the fact that you are not owned?  Would you please share your thoughts on this?

To those who ARE owned slaves:  Did YOU consider yourself a slave prior to being bagged and tagged?


Good morning,

When I was unowned, i was not a slave.  I self identified as "one who wants to be a slave and who is rather likely to happily collaborate with enslavement." Due to the lack of a check box on marketing sites that make such a wordy distinction , i checked "slave,"  In my experience, those seeking a slave had no real difficulty with the shorthand ;-).

Best,
aj



Nikitaa -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/27/2009 8:19:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TranceTara


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nikitaa

quote:

TranceTara ^^^^all that stuff up there


I am glad you understood my writing TranceTara. When my teacher taught English to me she did not teach kinky phrases to me. I learned to say "where is the powder room" and "how much for the pony?" I did not learn to say "get on the floor sub man so I can walk on you and put ice cubes up your butt." <------only the triangle ice cubes I use. The squares ones would hurt too much I am thinking.


[sm=biggrin.gif] Maybe you can open your own language school for kink? You can give "chill out" a whole, or in this case, hole, new meaning. And, some may think "how much for the pony," is BDSM related as well. [:D]

Hi TranceTara. One fact I have learned about English, all words spoken can refer to sex or kinky things if words are said, written, or ordered in proper way. This can be the same in Polish but we do not do the same way. Americans try to speak about sex secretly using their words instead of them saying exactly what they want to say.



LaTigresse -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/27/2009 8:22:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

ORIGINAL: welcomerain

quote:

Now, I admit that I'm beginning to wonder if some are simply jealous of the attention and fame he suddenly appears to be receiving, due to this thread and the way its gone.


This says quite a bit more about you than you probably realize.

*nods*



Yes, if a long thread with lots of drama leads to fame and attention..........there are alot of famous people on here.

And Heartfelt, I've wondered that twice on this particular thread......your gut is probably correct.



sirsholly -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/27/2009 8:25:53 AM)

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Heartfelt, I've wondered that twice on this particular thread......your gut is probably correct.


i have felt the same also



colouredin -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/27/2009 8:28:15 AM)

Gosh what a cynical lot you are [:D]



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