TheHeretic
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ORIGINAL: Raechard
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
Y'know, lots of people grow up with horrible lives, Rae. Awful things happened to them that they carry around, and deal with the scars of every day. How dare you exploit those who have not chosen to become human scum, to defend those who do? That's pretty fucking ignorant and offensive.
I'm not talking about how bad people's lives are and that forcing them into crime. The reality is, they kill and to them it's normal because they hold up so little respect for your society, they are not a part of it, they don't believe in it. You would kill someone that walked into your house and they kill those that walk into their area. You believe you own your house and they believe they own their area. The only difference is paper money issued by a government they don't believe in. I can't explain the problem in more simple terms than that. Don't let them draw parallels in terms of what society allows and what they do.
What you said, and what I was responding to specifically, was this:
Sexual predators and such like are a different case entirely they've grown up with such warped views that you could easily class them as mentally ill and so why shouldn't they be treated as other dangerous mentally ill patients?
That was the offensive bit. The argument that, "it's how they were raised. Bad things happened to them." People make choices. Demanding sympathy, based on awful early years is an insult to all those who have lived through that and worse, and made the choice to be better. Don't diminish that, Rae. I know saints who came out of nightmares, and trash from upper middle-class nirvana.
Ok. I'm glad you like to think the best of people in your assumptions about how the world works. It's a pretty ideology. I'm going to guess that you and I come from very different sorts of backgrounds. I'm going from the realities I see and have lived. It is a mindset, but circumstance doesn't excuse it.
I still ask, "people won't get jobs?" What about truck drivers? They are subject to all sorts of additional punitive regulations (add a zero to every traffic fine). Do we have a shortage of drug dealers? Just let that one go...
My house. Yes. I have the ability to defend my home and family with deadly force, but that is hardly the first option. Somebody tries breaking into my home, there are a number of possibilities. Most likely, the dogs will alert to the attempt and frighten them away. If I am close enough to the door, the dogs will chase them to the corner. I like that one. They don't come back, and they tell their friends not to either. I've used that method. Another is that they are confronted by the dogs inside, and get to stand very still while we all wait for the police. The lesson still gets learned, and the message spread, but between the snarling dogs, and me working the action of a shotgun to reinforce that, I'm going to have to shamoo the carpet. If I'm confronted with some crazy-eyed lunatic (we have those here. They are called "tweakers"), I will work the action a second time to replace the birdshot with something a lot more lethal, and use it if necessary. I'd rather not. Not only would I have something new to have years of nightmares over, I would have to replace the carpet, and paint.
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