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RE: Partisanship and Personal Opinion - 1/25/2009 3:11:56 PM   
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    And what would that have been, RML?  What rabid view did I express?  Clarify, if you would.



Uh well, this for one:

"I have long felt, for instance, that there should be much more concern about radical/fundamentalist Islam among the more liberally minded folks."

Do you really believe that the "liberally minded folks" are not concerned?

Or are you just trying to stir things up and then say "no Ma, it wasn't me"?




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RE: Partisanship and Personal Opinion - 1/25/2009 3:16:15 PM   
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Funny that Rule can read what is nowhere in the op.  I've reread looking for where he called those who disagree sheeple.  Strange that it isn't there.  There is a place where he notes that the term will show up and that it refers to those who wait to be told what to think and then blindly follow.  It seems Rule is the one who assumes that they must be on the left.  The op didn't assign sides at all.
Of course, it is hard to be impartial when you are busy reading things that aren't there or attacking someone for what you want to believe they are saying.
Philosophy, yours was a well thought out post.  I think you are one of the very few to actually read and address what was said.


No, he didn't specifically say that.

I based my assumption, and I admit it was that, on the other parts of the post and the many other items I have read from the poster.

So, based on that, yes, it was hard to look at the post as impartial.

If I am consistently on here voicing a particular viewpoint and then I make a post about that viewpoint, claiming to be impartial, would you take me seriously?



Of course I don't ... I mean wouldn't .... just kidding.  That was pretty awesome to admit.  We all let our biases slip in sometimes and it is pretty hard to admit it.  You just scored a huge jump on my respect meter.  That rocks!!!

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RE: Partisanship and Personal Opinion - 1/25/2009 3:23:30 PM   
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Funny that Rule can read what is nowhere in the op.  I've reread looking for where he called those who disagree sheeple.  Strange that it isn't there.  There is a place where he notes that the term will show up and that it refers to those who wait to be told what to think and then blindly follow.  It seems Rule is the one who assumes that they must be on the left.  The op didn't assign sides at all.
Of course, it is hard to be impartial when you are busy reading things that aren't there or attacking someone for what you want to believe they are saying.
Philosophy, yours was a well thought out post.  I think you are one of the very few to actually read and address what was said.


No, he didn't specifically say that.

I based my assumption, and I admit it was that, on the other parts of the post and the many other items I have read from the poster.

So, based on that, yes, it was hard to look at the post as impartial.

If I am consistently on here voicing a particular viewpoint and then I make a post about that viewpoint, claiming to be impartial, would you take me seriously?



Of course I don't ... I mean wouldn't .... just kidding.  That was pretty awesome to admit.  We all let our biases slip in sometimes and it is pretty hard to admit it.  You just scored a huge jump on my respect meter.  That rocks!!!


I've never claimed to be impartial.

The OP didn't claim it directly but presented his post as such.

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RE: Partisanship and Personal Opinion - 1/25/2009 3:27:50 PM   
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I belong to a political party which no longer exists.  It is what the GOP used to be.  Limited government, personal responsibility, and a belief in free enterprise.  (The modern GOP focuses on expanding government in the name of antiterrorism, lack of personal responsibility and ethics if ideological litmus tests are met, and big bailouts. Also, the GOP is fine with massive spending as long as taxes are kept low.)  However, I do believe in government regulation as a necessary evil, which doesn't quite fit in.



This, right on the nose.  We don't have a "conservative" national party anymore, there hasn't been one in quite some time.  Bush was one of the most economically liberal presidents we've ever had.

The Republican Party and Democratic Party are both far more similar than either party will admit - They both want increased government power, more spending, etc - They just disagree on what to spend on.


As a constitutional moderate who disassociates myself from both parties for that reason, it gets frustrating to express concerns about one group, only to find that group try and lump me in with the other group that they've been fanatical about villifying.  It got old in Bush's early days from several of the Republican fanatics, and it's getting even more old now from the Liberal fanatics.

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RE: Partisanship and Personal Opinion - 1/25/2009 3:35:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Someone on another forum I frequent put it so well hehe.  (This one is a shot at Liberals, but the "Conservatives" are equally guilty of similar silliness).  I don't know how many times I've seen exchanges that could be summed up like this though -

Liberal: I don't think we should do such-and-such.
Conservative: I think you are wrong, this is why we should do that...
Liberal: How dare you question my patriotism!
Conservative: Huh?
Liberal: Hey everyone! This guy here is questioning my patriotism because I don't fall lock-step with Bush!

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RE: Partisanship and Personal Opinion - 1/25/2009 3:46:50 PM   
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No, he didn't specifically say that.

I based my assumption, and I admit it was that, on the other parts of the post and the many other items I have read from the poster.

So, based on that, yes, it was hard to look at the post as impartial.

If I am consistently on here voicing a particular viewpoint and then I make a post about that viewpoint, claiming to be impartial, would you take me seriously?





      So you're just going on personal prejudice.  That's probably as close to an apology as I'm ever likely to get.

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RE: Partisanship and Personal Opinion - 1/25/2009 3:49:13 PM   
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Do you really believe that the "liberally minded folks" are not concerned?


       Yes.  That, or they have given their need to stand in complete opposition to Bush the higher priority, when the values conflict.

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RE: Partisanship and Personal Opinion - 1/25/2009 3:54:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

No, he didn't specifically say that.

I based my assumption, and I admit it was that, on the other parts of the post and the many other items I have read from the poster.

So, based on that, yes, it was hard to look at the post as impartial.

If I am consistently on here voicing a particular viewpoint and then I make a post about that viewpoint, claiming to be impartial, would you take me seriously?





     So you're just going on personal prejudice.  That's probably as close to an apology as I'm ever likely to get.
Not quite the way I read this post Rich,but hey every one brings their own perspective to the table heh....even you.

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RE: Partisanship and Personal Opinion - 1/25/2009 3:59:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Even I did not read it as an apology.  I read it as the admission that he was not trying to be impartial due to past experiences and personal biases.  I still think its a pretty awesome thing to not try to hide that fact.   I like honesty even when it isn't pretty or pleasant.  

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RE: Partisanship and Personal Opinion - 1/25/2009 4:02:34 PM   
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No, he didn't specifically say that.

I based my assumption, and I admit it was that, on the other parts of the post and the many other items I have read from the poster.

So, based on that, yes, it was hard to look at the post as impartial.

If I am consistently on here voicing a particular viewpoint and then I make a post about that viewpoint, claiming to be impartial, would you take me seriously?





     So you're just going on personal prejudice.  That's probably as close to an apology as I'm ever likely to get.


Nope.

Just trying to point out your prejudices in your post, which you seem oblivious to.

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RE: Partisanship and Personal Opinion - 1/25/2009 4:05:46 PM   
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Do you really believe that the "liberally minded folks" are not concerned?


      Yes.  That, or they have given their need to stand in complete opposition to Bush the higher priority, when the values conflict.


I see.

And what was it you were just telling me about being prejudicial?

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RE: Partisanship and Personal Opinion - 1/25/2009 4:06:19 PM   
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Do you really believe that the "liberally minded folks" are not concerned?


      Yes.  That, or they have given their need to stand in complete opposition to Bush the higher priority, when the values conflict.


...i think you're wrong TH.....and that you've already explained why. You have spoken of a change in the political prism. There have been plenty of liberals concerned on this issue. Thing is, the solutions they come up with have been characterised by those sympathetic to the last administration as 'unworkable'. That characterisation is just as much a product of a political prism as anything else.  'Unworkable' solutions don't get a lot of air-time, they don't get much attention.

Those concerned liberals have been here all the time, just out of range of the last political prism. As the prism changes position expect to hear a lot of voices you thought absent, but that have been here all along.

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RE: Partisanship and Personal Opinion - 1/25/2009 4:33:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		The OP comes from an anti-liberal republican claiming to have no bias,claiming to be open minded.Anyone who`s read his posts knows that`s not true.

It`s self serving and not really a quest for knowledge or insight,but more of a whine.

If this is all he has to complain about,he`s doing pretty good.

I just go with who`s right and good/better for the middle class/soldiers/Joe the plumber and it`s only a coincidence that puts me in the democratic slot.

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RE: Partisanship and Personal Opinion - 1/25/2009 5:24:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Really? So if in a previous topic you supported an idea by a Democrat that helped the middle class, but slammed that same idea made by a Republican in another topic, you would want that brought to your attention? If so, would you want that brought to your attention privately or publically?


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The OP comes from an anti-liberal republican claiming to have no bias,claiming to be open minded.Anyone who`s read his posts knows that`s not true.

It`s self serving and not really a quest for knowledge or insight,but more of a whine.

If this is all he has to complain about,he`s doing pretty good.

I just go with who`s right and good/better for the middle class/soldiers/Joe the plumber and it`s only a coincidence that puts me in the democratic slot.


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RE: Partisanship and Personal Opinion - 1/25/2009 5:47:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the viewpoints espoused by both parties do not benefit any common American. They benefit the "elite" of the nation, big business, the media, our hereditary rich. Nothing either party says or proposes means anything to me beyond either paying more taxes, or my eventual children paying taxes to pay for short sightedness of the parties, "liberal" and "conservative". The partisanship displayed today anywhere is pure silliness, its like arguing about 2 shades of blue so close they look the exact same. Personal opinion is many times pulled from the bookshelves as one other poster said. I'd like to think I am not guilty of this, but I will admit some of my own opinions are "bookshelf", but that does not mean they came from just one book. Anyways, I am sure this will get torn up, so have fun and a great evening. J 

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RE: Partisanship and Personal Opinion - 1/25/2009 5:54:31 PM   
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I belong to a political party which no longer exists.  It is what the GOP used to be.  Limited government, personal responsibility, and a belief in free enterprise.  (The modern GOP focuses on expanding government in the name of antiterrorism, lack of personal responsibility and ethics if ideological litmus tests are met, and big bailouts. Also, the GOP is fine with massive spending as long as taxes are kept low.)  However, I do believe in government regulation as a necessary evil, which doesn't quite fit in.



This, right on the nose.  We don't have a "conservative" national party anymore, there hasn't been one in quite some time.  Bush was one of the most economically liberal presidents we've ever had.

The Republican Party and Democratic Party are both far more similar than either party will admit - They both want increased government power, more spending, etc - They just disagree on what to spend on.


As a constitutional moderate who disassociates myself from both parties for that reason, it gets frustrating to express concerns about one group, only to find that group try and lump me in with the other group that they've been fanatical about villifying.  It got old in Bush's early days from several of the Republican fanatics, and it's getting even more old now from the Liberal fanatics.










Wrong,bush and the GOP majority were the culmination and full implementation of Reaganomics(the primary conservative economic school of thought and practice).

What regulation did he not cut?

Tax cuts for rich people,none for middle class folks,that`s conservatism,yes?

Let the market decide.Government is always the problem,never the solution.

And bush was Reaganomic`s final chapter.

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RE: Partisanship and Personal Opinion - 1/25/2009 6:01:56 PM   
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RE: Partisanship and Personal Opinion - 1/25/2009 6:02:03 PM   
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I think the viewpoints espoused by both parties do not benefit any common American. They benefit the "elite" of the nation, big business, the media, our hereditary rich. Nothing either party says or proposes means anything to me beyond either paying more taxes, or my eventual children paying taxes to pay for short sightedness of the parties, "liberal" and "conservative". The partisanship displayed today anywhere is pure silliness, its like arguing about 2 shades of blue so close they look the exact same. Personal opinion is many times pulled from the bookshelves as one other poster said. I'd like to think I am not guilty of this, but I will admit some of my own opinions are "bookshelf", but that does not mean they came from just one book. Anyways, I am sure this will get torn up, so have fun and a great evening. J 


yeah-ah.

The nurses union.Bunch of hoidy toidy rich elitists.

How dare they push for better hospital conditions or take on the insurance industry.

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RE: Partisanship and Personal Opinion - 1/25/2009 6:13:53 PM   
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I think the viewpoints espoused by both parties do not benefit any common American. They benefit the "elite" of the nation, big business, the media, our hereditary rich. Nothing either party says or proposes means anything to me beyond either paying more taxes, or my eventual children paying taxes to pay for short sightedness of the parties, "liberal" and "conservative". The partisanship displayed today anywhere is pure silliness, its like arguing about 2 shades of blue so close they look the exact same. Personal opinion is many times pulled from the bookshelves as one other poster said. I'd like to think I am not guilty of this, but I will admit some of my own opinions are "bookshelf", but that does not mean they came from just one book. Anyways, I am sure this will get torn up, so have fun and a great evening. J 


yeah-ah.

The nurses union.Bunch of hoidy toidy rich elitists.

How dare they push for better hospital conditions or take on the insurance industry.



Funny how I never mentioned unions. I guess my invisible typing showed up after all.  try not to read between the lines so much, like I said unions were never mentioned. Granted, I don't care for unions, but I never mentioned them.


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RE: Partisanship and Personal Opinion - 1/25/2009 6:50:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		umm unions are part of the left.....

In this country anyway.

And aren`t elitists.

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