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RE: Vista !!! - 1/28/2009 6:52:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's simple. A cooperation between software and hardware manufacturers, but it is not a conspiracy. The people who define conspiracy have said that it isn't, so it isn't. Merely a business partnership with the goal of making the most money. Just like Wall Stre.........

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RE: Vista !!! - 1/28/2009 6:56:10 PM   
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I'd like someone who likes Vista to explain to me why the increased need for memory and other resources are the result of anything other than Microsoft's desire to prevent you from using your PC as you desire, rather than how they wish to force you to use it.

Firm



.....two words...mass market. Those of us on these fora are generally relatively computer savvy. We don't respond to emails from Nigerian bankers, nor do we think that a lottery we never entered has decided we have won a few million. We don't think that Russian princesses have read our profiles and want to marry us, nor do we  think that a firewall is a useless nuisance.
Vista is designed to be idiot proof. However, turn off  most of the whistles and bells and it's not that bad. i remember the fuss when XP first came out. Not so different to what is being said now about Vista.


I don't know.

I didn't have a choice.  My new computer came with Vista and I was open-minded about it.

I'll take XP without even having to think hard.

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RE: Vista !!! - 1/28/2009 6:57:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		You could have gotten XP Pro and that would be a damn fast machine. Unfortunately Vista requires more RAM and CPU to use, as well as it must be tweaked by a professional for performance. Instead of buying more RAM to make it faster, you could use that money for Photoshop or something.


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Vista home basic
1.67gigahertz Intel Core Duo
2048 kb secondary memory cache
80gb hdd (50% free)
1gb ram ( I know the ram is low, but I have tackled HP about the issue, not their problem as vista needed more than first known, they built the machine to what specs microshaft gave them)



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RE: Vista !!! - 1/28/2009 7:02:13 PM   
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I don't know.

I didn't have a choice.  My new computer came with Vista and I was open-minded about it.

I'll take XP without even having to think hard.



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RE: Vista !!! - 1/28/2009 7:05:18 PM   
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RE: Vista !!! - 1/28/2009 7:29:19 PM   
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Just so you know, most of the onsite purchases allow you to customize the OS and downgrade to XP Pro. About $600 for a middle of the road box from Dell with Win XP Pro.



No, I didn't.

Wouldn't have mattered though.  I was wiling to try Vista.  Just haven't been that happy with it.


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RE: Vista !!! - 1/28/2009 9:02:13 PM   
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Vista is a piece of shit that Bill Gates will spend eternity rotting in the fires of hell for.

(That wasn't too over the top, was it?)



Of course not. Given that you're talking about Bill Gates, the sky's the limit.


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RE: Vista !!! - 1/28/2009 9:27:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		You can check some of the smaller computer shops and see if they have a cheap copy of XP Pro. Save all your stuff to flash, external, cd, dvd, or whatever. Then reformat and reload XP. Many of my clients have done that because the frustration factor combined with the extra IT cost can be substantial.



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Just so you know, most of the onsite purchases allow you to customize the OS and downgrade to XP Pro. About $600 for a middle of the road box from Dell with Win XP Pro.



No, I didn't.

Wouldn't have mattered though.  I was wiling to try Vista.  Just haven't been that happy with it.



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RE: Vista !!! - 1/28/2009 9:48:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wanted to change my os from vista to xp... but was told not to because it might mess things up.  I would like to learn the truth on that because this machine is going down fast as it is.  But I don't get all the tech stuff I am reading and am afraid to do anything at this point.  Someone told me that HP did somethings that would make it tougher to do.  Where would I find good info for a non techie?

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RE: Vista !!! - 1/28/2009 10:17:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lockit

I wanted to change my os from vista to xp... but was told not to because it might mess things up.  I would like to learn the truth on that because this machine is going down fast as it is.  But I don't get all the tech stuff I am reading and am afraid to do anything at this point.  Someone told me that HP did somethings that would make it tougher to do.  Where would I find good info for a non techie?


Yes, I also would be interested in this, as it has crossed my mind more than over a hundred times to downgrade or upgrade to an OS that works. To admit though, before I bought this machine, I was aware of the techy press about how 'good' this system was and tried to get a machine with XP, but nothing was available locally, everything was vista, so I had a negative feeling about it to start with, but as this was all I could get, I was prepared to give it a go, it was either that of soldier on with a nine year old home built box of recovered parts running win 98. I also am not a techy, or techy minded with puters, I just require something that works with minimal or no messing around.

Lockit, it is also interesting that you also are running a HP, as my machine is a HP, and with the I believe the first version of vista on board, home basic so it says, build 6000. I don't know if it is the same with your machine, but I tend not to trust updates from microshaft, as they always seem to mess up in one way or another. The advice I received was only to take updates from HP, and to date, nothing HP have sent has caused a problem to this machine. The first service pack, SP1, that is not on this machine, I disallow it, because everytime I tried to install, it, the puter froze, gave up, went to sleep got bored, whatever, but it would not install, and to make matters worse than they could be, SP1 is incompatible with my sound card, I lost sound for weeks and microshit  technical either did'nt know or seemed not to care, in short, they were no help and HP were boggling over the problem too.

So so far, modern computers, I have not had a good experience, if this was a car, by now I would have got rid of it, unreliability I cannot deal with, especially when you depend on something.


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RE: Vista !!! - 1/29/2009 12:34:16 AM   
JustDarkness


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Status: offline 		download the windows 7 beta...vista drivers run lovely on it.
it is fast...fast enough to be on my old laptop even. (equal to your specs..but worse)

do you have sp1 on vista? (switching off cache in services speeds things up a bit, together with disabling ready boost)
(a vista + sp1 dvd can be downloaded from microsoft. That overcomes the update and normally works better)

or get xp + sp3 (if you want to know where..ask)


ps:

for vista and windows 7 I would suggest 3 gig of memory for 32bit and 4+ gig for the 64bit versions.

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RE: Vista !!! - 1/29/2009 2:55:01 AM   
Evility


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Status: offline 		I felt the same way going from Win98SE to XP. I have XP on this machine but I still use my old machine and it still has Win98SE. It's not a feasible platform since it is no longer supported as an operating system or by software providers but every time I use that machine I am reminded that it was Micro$oft's high water mark.

Micro$oft: "If it isn't broken, fix it until it is."


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RE: Vista !!! - 1/29/2009 3:22:53 AM   
JustDarkness


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Status: offline 		there is still a court case about "Vista ready" going on right now.

(mmm reminds me of LCD screens with HD ready....guess they will be next)

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RE: Vista !!! - 1/29/2009 4:46:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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I'd like someone who likes Vista to explain to me why the increased need for memory and other resources are the result of anything other than Microsoft's desire to prevent you from using your PC as you desire, and how they wish to force you to use it.

Firm


Simple - Vista is in a nutshell, a bunch of features added on top of XP, and not particularly optimized.  (Gross oversimplification I know, but that's the gist.)

Windows 7 is a reworking of the kernel, and far more efficent than Vista.  I'm loving Windows 7 so far; it feels like the Vista features but runs as well as XP. (As well as being the easiest to install Windows I've messed with so far.)

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RE: Vista !!! - 1/29/2009 10:03:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good info comes from good research and knowing someone that does it. The only problem you may find is that some of your hardware may not have drivers for XP. You can check the kind of monitor, cd/dvd drive, sound, etc. and then check to see if there are XP drivers for it. Other than that, I cannot think of anything that would "mess" things up.


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ORIGINAL: Lockit

I wanted to change my os from vista to xp... but was told not to because it might mess things up.  I would like to learn the truth on that because this machine is going down fast as it is.  But I don't get all the tech stuff I am reading and am afraid to do anything at this point.  Someone told me that HP did somethings that would make it tougher to do.  Where would I find good info for a non techie?


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RE: Vista !!! - 1/29/2009 10:19:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		The person (s) I talked to mentioned the driver's being a problem and configuration... drivers I wasn't too afraid of if I could work the computer to get them after installing... but the word configuration scared me. lol

Thank you Orion!  I will keep looking... but have more of a direction now.

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RE: Vista !!! - 1/29/2009 10:26:23 AM   
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RE: Vista !!! - 1/29/2009 10:45:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

It's simple. A cooperation between software and hardware manufacturers, but it is not a conspiracy.


I agree, its not a conspiracy, but not a partnership either.  The volume of legal expense necessary for all the DRM related to vista killed any and all profit margins with the hardware folks.  Vista was a financial spiked bat up their ass, too.

According to ATI  -  “We've taken on more legal costs in copyright protection in the last six to eight months than we have in any previous engagement. Each legal contract sets a new precedent, and each new one builds on the previous one.  The costs go beyond legal licensing costs, however, and also include the costs associated with rewiring the hardware and writing and testing new drivers."



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RE: Vista !!! - 1/29/2009 11:26:08 AM   
OrionTheWolf


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Use this as your search phrase "problems downgrading vista to xp" . Lots of good hits there.


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ORIGINAL: Lockit

The person (s) I talked to mentioned the driver's being a problem and configuration... drivers I wasn't too afraid of if I could work the computer to get them after installing... but the word configuration scared me. lol

Thank you Orion!  I will keep looking... but have more of a direction now.


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RE: Vista !!! - 1/29/2009 11:37:30 AM   
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Some more first hand details, about 10 minutes old.

Just had my vendor tell me that Vista can't handle the scan/print commands from my operating system.

Ordered 6 new computers to be delivered with XP Pro as we have for the rest of the work stations. He had nothing to gain or lose except my wrath. Well maybe some future orders as well. 

Point was, as soon as he said; "I think I can make it work." I ordered the new ones with existing, "old", technology which DOES work.

After signing the contract he said he's been keeping busy having businesses order Vista and not finding out until later that some things just don't work. I almost canceled the order because I asked him why he even suggested 'vista' in the first place. His answer - as you would expect - "you don't get to bill service time if your customer doesn't have a problem"!

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