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RE: Vista !!! - 1/30/2009 12:54:54 AM   
JustDarkness


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Out of curiosity, what is your windows experience index score?


5.9 is mine on Vista Ultimate with sp1
Many options get shut off when the index get below 3 or so. But you can put them back on with a registry hack.
The side bar and all these themes take a lott of memory..on slow pc's it is better to have the "classic"
skin on.

at Aneirin

can you scan your pc with s software called mallware bytes?
http://www.malwarebytes.org/
to see if there are no trojans, bots etc. AVG won't find them.

Also you could check how much free space you have on your harddisk. If it gets full and cache memory can\t write to the disk...it slows down too.

On start up of your pc...does the bios info screen give you the speed of the processor that you bought?

To see if you have damaged hardware..you can run a benchmark. It will stress your hardware....and if it is broken ..the pc will propably crash.

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RE: Vista !!! - 1/30/2009 7:27:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Anerin.. you can get memory for your laptop and swap it out yourself. That will help some of your problems. You also don't say iif you have a vid card or shared graphics.

I am running a Gateway 6860FX with Vista Home Premium Sp1 and Core 2 Duo processor with 4 Gb of memory..it is faster than my husbands desktop running XP (which has a habit of losing .dlls constantly) and as fast as my Desktop. BOTH of mine run highly intensive graphic programs smoothly and respond quicky in opening, closing and switching between multiple programs I have open on the desk at any given moment.

One of your slow downs may be your virus checker...I use AVG which is one of the least obtrusive virus checkers out there and so far extremely reliable. Norton and McAfee both tend to be system hogs. My running program area on my laptop includes ( always open resident services) Yahoo, Live Mesh, One Note, Download manager, system clock, network and sound controls, printer monitor, AVG, Open Office quick start ( also use Microsoft Office), Comodo memory fireway, spybot, and a few other programs..this is NOT including the 2 browsers, Visual basic, Expressions, Poser, Paint Shop Pro 9, 3 email programs and any Adobe that I may have open at any given moment without a lag. The more memory you have the better Vista runs.

UAC can be turned off, you will still see it from time to time when you do an install, but it won't ask you for everything. Don't do this is others have access to your machine.

Programs I would reccomend to lighten your load, AVG Free or paid Virus checker, Spybot, Spyware Control, Adaware, IODefrag and clean out your registry and startup programs. Everything that loads in your startup, slows you down on start up..keeping that minimal helps. Each of the above have small footprints in your memory. I would also suggest using vista ready boost...a 4 GB sd or USB that acts as an auxillary L2 cache. That may free up more of your RAM for programs. You can find what memory you need and at a reasonable price here http://www.crucial.com/ and then check with Newegg, Tigerdirect and your local shops and comparison shop. Prices have dropped drastically even on laptop memory.

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RE: Vista !!! - 1/30/2009 7:48:31 AM   
JustDarkness


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Status: offline 		Vista 32bit can only use 3 gig though.
64bit OS can use more then 3 gig.

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RE: Vista !!! - 1/30/2009 8:18:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		1/ Vista's an absolute resource hog, for no reason except bad coding and huuuuge amounts of mostly useless assistants for anything. So forget it if your machine's processor is single core, or if your RAM amount falls under the 2 Gigs mark.
2/ If you can just downgrade your PC and get back to Windows XP which will make your slow machine fast again. And you won't loose any functionality !
3/ Vista give you an excellent occasion to try Linux, with a live CD first, and if you like it then perform a full installation. That's what I'd do personally, with Ubuntu first because this very distribution is really user-friendly.

There will be 3 main differences between a Linux and a Windows environment :
  • the applications won't have the same names, but they will still do the job,
  • the hard drive's logical organization will differ a bit,
  • you will not find big games anymore !!
The 3rd is in fact the only one stopping me from using Linux, which I will install on my next laptop anyway.
And adopting Linux might be complicated if you frequently have some professional files to work on (I often have some Excel spreadsheets with lots of macros in, and they will not be usable anymore... :/ )...

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RE: Vista !!! - 1/30/2009 11:44:59 AM   
Lockit


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Status: offline 		I have been dealing with this vista and hp crap all day.  I looked up problems with downgrading vista to xp... read a bit... watched a video and then went to hp and they said they don't give support for your machine if you change the os.  Even the techs from hp ran into problems in downgrading the os.  So basically unless I hire someone to do it for me and take a chance on not needing support from hp, I have to buy an external hard drive to save all my stuff... then re-install the crap, first vista os and start over and hopefully find a way to prevent what I have been through already.

I cannot do backups and cannot copy everything so I must get the hard drive.

I would love to have bill gates and those that pushed the vista out before it was ready, right in front of me... I know I would become far more sadistic than I am.

Does anyone know where I can get information to assure that the new reformat doesn't go bad like this time?  Like what not to do... like the updates from microsoft or programs that would be better used than others? 

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RE: Vista !!! - 1/30/2009 12:38:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lockit
Does anyone know where I can get information to assure that the new reformat doesn't go bad like this time?  Like what not to do... like the updates from microsoft or programs that would be better used than others? 



if your system works ok right now you can make a "image"of the harddisk. MEaning it is an exact copy of all that you have now. IF something goes wrong..you can set that image back.
Gives you some freedom to experiment.


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RE: Vista !!! - 1/30/2009 12:47:22 PM   
Lockit


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Status: offline 		It isn't working right and no one can figure it out. 

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RE: Vista !!! - 1/30/2009 1:08:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I got this lappie because it was the cheapest one on sale when my old one commited suicide.
My sister put it on her credit card so I could slowly pay it off which I happily do.
I didnt want Vista but I couldnt go without a computer either. Living a very short budget doesnt make for making this crappy Vista work. So Im stuck. It takes a day to respond, I have very few programs on it, taken any unnessary things that I know out of the start menu. The only thing I use it for is 2 chat programs and rarely go web surfing I stick to just a few sites that are known to me.

And yet its a POS, hell I even think Microsoft admits it. So now they are dumping this crap and making a more efficient Windows 7, which no I have not checked, but I can only guess I have to pay to upgrade. Im not computer stupid, but Vista is almost hostile.

I know I need this that and another to make it less hostile, but I cant grown money out of my ass.

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RE: Vista !!! - 1/30/2009 1:52:26 PM   
JustDarkness


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ORIGINAL: Lockit

It isn't working right and no one can figure it out. 



they have problems downgrading a pc to xp?
Insert cd, format..install? mmmm that is weird.

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RE: Vista !!! - 1/30/2009 1:57:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I could have posted that, it drives me absolutely crazy on a daily basis.

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RE: Vista !!! - 1/30/2009 2:05:26 PM   
Lockit


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Status: offline 		No the tech's at HP ran into troubles or did the downgrading from vista to xp wrong... but were able to get it going again.  They had to do a lot of prep work with creating cd's with drivers and such.  But the HP site said that if you change the os on your machine they won't do support for your machine and that changing the os could mess the computer up.  That was enough to scare this novice off.

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RE: Vista !!! - 1/30/2009 2:09:44 PM   
JustDarkness


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ORIGINAL: Lockit

No the tech's at HP ran into troubles or did the downgrading from vista to xp wrong... but were able to get it going again.  They had to do a lot of prep work with creating cd's with drivers and such.  But the HP site said that if you change the os on your machine they won't do support for your machine and that changing the os could mess the computer up.  That was enough to scare this novice off.



yes I can imagine that it does.
I mostly download all known drivers for that pc/laptop, burn them to a cd...which takes 1 hour. Drivers are mostly on the support section. Most drivers windows has already on board.
Then I install xp...45 minutes or so....upgrade everything and install the drivers an other hour.
Bit lazy of support that they don't help you.
Perhaps a friend of a friend can help you out.
Personally..them saying they won't give you support with XP..is weird..because with Vista they can't help you either.

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RE: Vista !!! - 1/30/2009 6:18:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would just like to say thank you to all of you who have been kind enough to offer suggestions following my rant post about Vista. I have tried some of the suggestions made, suggestions that even I can do, and as a result the thing is moving quicker, perhaps quicker than I have known in the year I have had it.

I have checked for trojans, none apparent, although it did rid me of the rogue cookies I had, and I have switched to windows classic, the result is excellent, I am happy for now.

Yes, more RAM required, the machine I am told will only recognise 2GB, so I can at least add another gig, that should I hope make things 100% better, I will look into that after pay day.

Then perhaps, maybe, I might think to try SP1 again and see how it goes.

I am stuck with this machine for now, and it will have to do, but seeing as my interest is photographic work, my next machine I think will be a Mac.

Again, thanks to all of you.


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RE: Vista !!! - 1/30/2009 6:26:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was reading today and a lot of people have trouble after the sp1 and that is when I had most of my problems start.  They were saying that if you could, wait until sp2 comes out.  I am just repeating what I was reading on a couple of sites.

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RE: Vista !!! - 1/30/2009 6:38:18 PM   
Aneirin


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Status: offline 		Thanks, that is good enough excuse for me not to go there again !

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