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FangsNfeet -> Todays Kids have it easy. Theory gone bad. (1/11/2006 11:06:39 PM)

Does anyone here remember when there parents told them to go to there room? Wasn't your room where you wanted to be in the first place?

In the DFW area of TX there is Lancaster ISD. They have a new policy that if you do not turn in an assignment on time, you will be suspended from school. If I remember High School correctly, the kids who didn't do there work were normally the ones who didn't want to be in school in the first place. All these fuckers are getting exactly what they wanted. They don't do there work, get susupended, and then are allowed to do whatever they want all damn day. The cops are going to spend more time sorting out those who are skipping vs those who are suspended than watching out for criminal behavior.

I swear, how much dumber can our public school system get?



perverseangelic -> RE: Todays Kids have it easy. Theory gone bad. (1/11/2006 11:46:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

I swear, how much dumber can our public school system get?


Well...lesse.

My senior year of high school (five years ago), my entire school was locked down for an entire -day- (no one on and off campus, no one out of their classrooms) because of a "bomb threat."

It's a good thing that schools take that kind of thing seriously, right?

Well, sure.

But what was the bomb threat in question, you ask?

Someone drew a picture on the bathroom wall of a box that said "El Mo [my hs] library" on it, with a airplane above it and a little bomb dropping from it with an arrow to the bomb that said "bomb."



~sigh~
I feel bad b/c it wasn't my prinicpal or teacher's doing. It was the districts policy of "zero tollerance for threats"



NakedOnMyChain -> RE: Todays Kids have it easy. Theory gone bad. (1/12/2006 12:02:40 AM)

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I swear, how much dumber can our public school system get?


Quite a bit, actually. From what I've seen it seems to be mostly high schools in the public school system that run more than a bit backwards. But I completely agree with the idea that it's ignorant to suspend students who don't turn in homework. The only way a student should be suspended out of school is if they are a threat to other students or faculty, or if they have done something especially heinous. I'm a great advocate of ISS (In School Suspension) where the students must sit quietly under teacher supervision, doing homework for an entire day. This way they are at school, doing assigned work, bored to tears, and not out gallavanting around or lying in bed playing video games. These days detention doesn't put the fear of god into high school aged kids, but ISS will. It's the absolutely boring limbo of high school and kids dread it. Out of school suspension is just a bad idea all around. What happens to the kids who have both parents in the work force? They can't take a day off just because their kid is a moron, so the kid gets to do what he/she wants all day. It just doesn't work. Period.



NakedOnMyChain -> RE: Todays Kids have it easy. Theory gone bad. (1/12/2006 12:08:50 AM)

I had something similar happen at my high school. We had two bomb threats actually called in my senior year. Needless to say it was a little scary being locked in a classroom while the explosive sniffing dogs were led around the school. To further my point above about high school administration being backward, on the second bomb threat that year (Valentine's Day, 2001) the threat was called in before 6:30 that morning. School didn't start until 7:30. They let everyone come to school anyway and made us all sit in the gym for three hours while the school was scoured. BRILLIANT! Both bomb threats were faked and the culprits were found (a couple of students who didn't want to go to school), but there was no way that our county high school administration could have known that. They let a couple of thousand kids come to school after a bomb threat that hadn't been cleared with plenty of time to avoid it. That doesn't sound very responsible to me. What would they have done if it had been real?



UtopianRanger -> RE: Todays Kids have it easy. Theory gone bad. (1/12/2006 2:17:36 AM)

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In the DFW area of TX there is Lancaster ISD. They have a new policy that if you do not turn in an assignment on time, you will be suspended from school. If I remember High School correctly, the kids who didn't do there work were normally the ones who didn't want to be in school in the first place. All these fuckers are getting exactly what they wanted. They don't do there work, get susupended, and then are allowed to do whatever they want all damn day. The cops are going to spend more time sorting out those who are skipping vs those who are suspended than watching out for criminal behavior.

I swear, how much dumber can our public school system get?


I think you're on the money.

{Bait} Comparatively….. Look/take at the Japanese system vs. ours. It’s result orientated, where ours seems to concentrate on a more ‘’feel good’’ mentality. And the difference in the academic work ethic {Both teacher and student} in grades up to K-12 is unbelievable.

However, far and away the most distressing part of the whole thing for me is... how the whole philosophy has shifted away from one that strongly focused on that of the individual, to a more ''Hive based'' -- ''Group think'' mentality{It tempers the mind to think more socialisticly}. That's the true downfall...

Look back through history.... From Andrew Jackson to Carnegie....it was a mentality born of rugged individualism, and not the ''collective'' that propelled this nation-state to such enormous success/status.


JMHO


- The Ranger



Arpig -> RE: Todays Kids have it easy. Theory gone bad. (1/12/2006 2:24:59 AM)

I attended high school in Japan during the 70s when the Japanese red Army was active, and we had several bomb threats. When a threat was made, we were evacuated to the far end of the playing fields. What is the sense behind locking all the students into the building where there is supposed to be a bomb????? Shouldn't you be getting them as far away from the building as possible?



MsIncognito -> RE: Todays Kids have it easy. Theory gone bad. (1/12/2006 5:03:40 AM)

I believe the reasoning is that sometimes snipers will call in bomb threats so that the building is evacuated. As everyone stands outside the sniper(s) picks them off. By evacuating you make everyone more vulnerable while they are out in the open.

Now, letting everyone come to school when you know there's a bomb threat...that's just plain stupidity.

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

I attended high school in Japan during the 70s when the Japanese red Army was active, and we had several bomb threats. When a threat was made, we were evacuated to the far end of the playing fields. What is the sense behind locking all the students into the building where there is supposed to be a bomb????? Shouldn't you be getting them as far away from the building as possible?



Arpig -> RE: Todays Kids have it easy. Theory gone bad. (1/12/2006 5:10:00 AM)

never thought of that....and apparently neither did the Japanese authorities, then again acquiring a useable sniper rifle in Japan would be next to impossible



IrishMist -> RE: Todays Kids have it easy. Theory gone bad. (1/12/2006 6:37:50 AM)

Personally, I am of the opinion that it is not really the schools fault. We as parents have allowed this to happen. When I was in school, we were terrified of screwing up because it meant a trip to the principals office, a meeting with that big ole nasty paddle...and then the inevitable phone call home to tell the parents...only to find that when we got home, my dad was waiting for us with the belt...simply because the principal had called him at work.

Then all of a sudden, parents get this bright idea in their head that it's not ok for the schools to have any kind of authority.

Now granted, WE is a general term that I am using. But it still fits. We elected the officials that passed these outrageous laws. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

I do agree though that in school suspensions are the way to go, but on the other hand...you get a student in there, he/she is highly disruptive, it turns into out of school because the faculty at the school has NO authority to do anything.

We can't place blame on the schools. Put the blame where it really needs to be.



FangsNfeet -> RE: Todays Kids have it easy. Theory gone bad. (1/12/2006 6:51:10 AM)

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We can't place blame on the schools. Put the blame where it really needs to be.


I'm not blaming the schools for ever action that goes on. I just disagree with this suspension policy where they are only giving the kid what they want. Before this policy came into effect, kids who didn't turn in there work on time would get a lessor or failing grade. However, they would still be stuck in school. Some kids will do anything and everything not to attend school and get kicked out. Now all they have to do is stop doing there homework. It sounds like an easy way out to not help kids who may have some issues.



MHOO314 -> RE: Todays Kids have it easy. Theory gone bad. (1/12/2006 11:20:36 AM)

There is still a long long way to go--for the last 4 years NC has redistricted its students with of course the closest to a school going to one farthest away---egads (I home school so the only redistrict here was when she had to sleep in the guest room while I painted!)Some students have changed schools 3 times.

That is supposed to make the quality of education better, kids that go the farthest have to be on the bus at 6AM--puhleez---



DesertRat -> RE: Todays Kids have it easy. Theory gone bad. (1/12/2006 12:14:20 PM)

I agree that the schools are getting dumber. But aren't they just giving us what we, as a country want? As a nation, we seem to be glorifying ignorance and placing less value on knowledge. Why do we need a highly educated population if we're all just flipping burgers for minimum wage?

Bob



veronicaofML -> RE: Todays Kids have it easy. Theory gone bad. (1/12/2006 12:41:10 PM)

Does anyone here remember when there parents told them to go to there room? Wasn't your room where you wanted to be in the first place?

==========

i am NOT picking on ya...

but

what is your-room?

hell "I" never had my own room til i left service.

later



IrishMist -> RE: Todays Kids have it easy. Theory gone bad. (1/12/2006 1:00:13 PM)

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kids who didn't turn in there work on time would get a lessor or failing grade.


Once again, put the blame where it belongs. The parents complained that this was an unfair action that was being taken against their kids. I am not saying that I agree with it, hell, my daughter does not turn in her work she gets more than just a failing grade...but too many now adays think that kids should have all these outrageous rights...parents have forgotten how to be parents and are allowing others to dictate ( namely their own kids ) how they should be raised.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Todays Kids have it easy. Theory gone bad. (1/12/2006 1:04:14 PM)

And anyone who thinks this is making things "easier" for kids in the long run is fooling themselves.



IrishMist -> RE: Todays Kids have it easy. Theory gone bad. (1/12/2006 1:05:05 PM)

Mistress Hathor, you have the right idea. Homeschooling in alot of cases works the best. Mine attends a private Catholic school ( which is really odd because I am not Catholic but her father was ). They not only still discipline in the school, but they don't hand out suspensions that are out of school. Their in school suspensions consist of attending Mass, confession, and paying penance in due respect lol.

I am from the time when I still think that punishments in school were a good thing. It kept the kids in line, kept them respectful of the authority, and kept them from messing up too badly. Sure, we had some who rebelled, but in the long run, things were so much better.



samwise213 -> RE: Todays Kids have it easy. Theory gone bad. (1/12/2006 1:22:59 PM)

Hmmm... Are there any other educators who wish to speak up?

I myself am going to begins student teaching in a Catholic school Wednesday. Playing devil's advocate for a minute, why should the student who doesn't want to be school anyway have to be in school? Are you expecting the school to babysit your children for you? That's not responsible parenting, either...

I actually feel optimistic about going into education right now. I have this sense that some kind of major change is coming, to make things better... I hope I can be a part of making things better, rather than trying to maintain the status quo.

I feel like part of the problems is this attempt to say that all people are equal. It's like the line from The Incredibles: "When everybody is super, nobody is." Yes, all people should have the same rights. However, there is no such thing as an even playing field for life. That's the problem with Astrology - just because people are born in the same place as the same time, doesn't mean their lives are going to be exactly the same...


Ooohhh... I think we found one of my passions... :D



FelinePersuasion -> RE: Todays Kids have it easy. Theory gone bad. (1/12/2006 2:56:46 PM)

I liked school but when I was suppsended for fighting someone I loved staying home, untill my parents hardend up and stoped making it fun.


When my neighbors friends kid got suspended they made james chop wood with a hand ax allday


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first place. All these fuckers are getting exactly what they wanted. They don't do there work, get susupended, and then are allowed to do whatever they want all damn



MHOO314 -> RE: Todays Kids have it easy. Theory gone bad. (1/12/2006 3:16:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: samwise213

Hmmm... Are there any other educators who wish to speak up?

I myself am going to begins student teaching in a Catholic school Wednesday. Playing devil's advocate for a minute, why should the student who doesn't want to be school anyway have to be in school? Are you expecting the school to babysit your children for you? That's not responsible parenting, either...



That may be correct, however the majority of the US population is or will be very quickly senior citizens, retiring almost at the same time and probably dying within some very close periods of time---that will leave huge holes in the work force--
no education--no work and it is a parents responsibility to educate their charges--anyway they can.

As far as babysitting for My child, I never expected that, what I DID expect (and we attended public and private schools in 2 states ( one of which was Catholic)) was respect for My intelligent child, protection for her while I entrusted her to their care and teachers who could read, write and speak better than she could! I have home schooled since 7th grade, she stands in the top 5% in the state and the top 10% of the nation, she tutors gifted children at an elementary school, grooms at a horse farm. Her schedule now covers a span of 13 courses and she communicates beautifully with all types of people---and if anyone thinks she is missing socialization she is--she is missing regular evacuation for bomb scares, misses being beaten up on the bus or at school, misses having to fit in by peer fear, and misses changing schools every year to please the politicians---Someone once told Me no school would ever be good enough for her, you're damn right!

yeah I'm a tad passionate too--



IrishMist -> RE: Todays Kids have it easy. Theory gone bad. (1/12/2006 3:18:00 PM)

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When my neighbors friends kid got suspended they made james chop wood with a hand ax allday


OWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe lol talk about hurting...now that's one hell of a punishment lol



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