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RE: Race - 2/1/2009 6:28:50 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		came4, glad to finally read your post. Quit getting put under moderation dammit, screws everything up.

Ashamed of what he did ? Don't be. That gives me a perfect chance to explain what I think racism should be. You have no more reason to be proud of what someone else did either. It is what you do that counts. Race, or maybe more aptly put, ethnicity, could tell one "Hey, they did that, I should be able to do that", and while it does not limit our potential, possibly it gives it some definition, taking it out of the abstract. But then pehaps on the other side of the coin is the concept that it is just as bad as thinking of ethnicity as a limiting factor, which in most circles would be termed bigotry.

In other words, when we turn away from the old ideas, we need to turn away from all of them. Be what we are.

Interesting nother slant just occurred to me. The racist, fuedalistic types, they see unity as strength. For millenia this was considered a good thing. Times were indeed tough and it was hard to stand on one's own. But today things are different and such mentality results in like a gang mentality, and instead of being beneficial, it actually is detrimental.

Hmmmm.

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RE: Race - 2/1/2009 7:53:13 PM   
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Maya, OK the differences are less profound, but that does not mean they do not exist.

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The differences would probably make up maybe 1% on a pie chart as compared to how we are the same. Why pay that much attention to such a small sliver. If you want to make it a big deal to justify separating people into categories of how we are so different from each other then be honest and say so.

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RE: Race - 2/1/2009 8:24:07 PM   
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Quit getting put under moderation dammit, screws everything up.


lol. not my fault, some people just act rudely and play dumb (after the fact) and expect me to tolerate it, yet they get away with it. I will not do either to get a point across. If I say it, I mean it. I don't pussy foot around, no stranger on the internet is worthy of any hate or distrust that much to do so.  But, who cares, not going to marry them or invite them to any Sunday picnic dinner.

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Ashamed of what he did ? Don't be.
  I am, and I will continue to be ashamed, there must have been more I could have done at the time.  Except for putting my own life in danger, how bad could it have been?  The worse is I would be dead now likely, but, is my life worth more than a family of 3, 4 ? Were my rights to be alive more instinctive than protecting others who had (or should have had) equal rights to a safe home than mine?  I think not.  I am no more worthy to live free and secure than that family who was innocently trying to live in a home they built with their own money.  Now that I am older and wiser would I say and do something, yes, I would and likely die for it.

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For millenia this was considered a good thing. Times were indeed tough and it was hard to stand on one's own. But today things are different and such mentality results in like a gang mentality, and instead of being beneficial, it actually is detrimental.


The whole idea of any group mentality is just that...they are satisfied to be in a group of people that can satisfy their need for acceptance...even if that group is a ball of sh*t-turds.  Eventually it becomes such a useful thrill to be part of such a group that even the most demonic ideals can become/seem euphoric in nature, or second nature.  A need to belong is healthy, a desire to be kind is admirable but if your needs to belong and desire to be unjust become one of the kind then obviously you belong to the wrong kind of people and they knew that it was possible you were just the right kind of wrong to attract. 

Sheep are quite docile animals, but if you poke them enough they will trample even the thickest of forest.  Don't be a sheep and avoid people that herd others into obvious and immoralist pens of sh*t.   










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RE: Race - 2/1/2009 9:13:44 PM   
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Is fear the root of it all ?



Secondly, I believe that yes, fear is the root of it all, and the route of all hatred.


Interesting... I said the same type thing on a different thread earlier.

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RE: Race - 2/1/2009 9:15:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it means more than that. I think we have slightly different body chemistries and such, even though the differences in appearance are not so profound.

That means the optimal diet for one is not the same as that for another, nor environment. These things are rarely dicussed due to the obvious difficulties.

In that way we fail to learn and grow.

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RE: Race - 2/1/2009 9:30:00 PM   
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I think it means more than that. I think we have slightly different body chemistries and such, even though the differences in appearance are not so profound.

That means the optimal diet for one is not the same as that for another, nor environment. These things are rarely dicussed due to the obvious difficulties.

In that way we fail to learn and grow.

T


The difference between a skinny guy and a fat guy is way more pronounced than simply between one race and another. When race is involved you just can't use that to make a diet for all of one race. It just would not work. The difference even between those of the same race is just too different. I don't see race as that important. But if you do, then you do.

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RE: Race - 2/2/2009 4:35:04 AM   
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I think it means more than that. I think we have slightly different body chemistries and such, even though the differences in appearance are not so profound.



What do you mean, "slightly different body chemistries"? What's "body chemistries"?


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RE: Race - 2/2/2009 9:29:50 AM   
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Interesting bear, is it all really just in a word ?


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I think for the most part, it is about the word. Especially when the the word racism or ethnicity and the ilk carry such a negative connotation. From what I have observed on many topics on these boards and in life, a large majority of people will automatically zero in on the negative aspects.
Yes it is a fear much in the same manner that people still fear the word swastika especially when viewing a picture of one. Yes it was a terrible tragedy that this particular symbol had been corrupted. Yet very few people know the origins of this symbol which predates the Egyptians Ankh.
"The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix." (
http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/swastikahistory.htm)

It is too easy to jump to the wrong conclusion when certain words are used and we have a bad habit of not seeing how a particular word is used in relation to the context on how it is used. I know there are certain words which will trigger a negative reaction in myself and it's a matter of me constantly training my thought processes to fully comprehend what that word means when being used in a certain context.


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RE: Race - 2/2/2009 11:40:33 AM   
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I think it means more than that. I think we have slightly different body chemistries and such

No. This got shown to you in one of the previous race threads you started.

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RE: Race - 2/2/2009 12:07:39 PM   
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Comparing dog breed  to human race  does not  work

Nah.  You're right.  I was after showing that the canines were all of one family but I see where those with another agenda might only regard the fruit and ignore the tree.

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RE: Race - 2/2/2009 5:03:34 PM   
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I think progress has been made in that now I think the topic can actually be discussed, without rousing the shriekers with their politically correct song. With the proper choice of words of course, now maybe we can get somewhere, instead of butting heads constantly about bullshit.

Now if you think I am going to [for example] sit here and talk about watermelons, BBQ ribs and Black people you are sadly mistaken. There is alot more to it than that. It's not just nationality and ethinicity of course, I am not stupid. It has to do also with how people have adapted to their envirnment over the generations, and how that has worked out for them. Even in the good ole USA, it's been said that some people down south eat things that most of us would call the Orkin Man for. That is true actually. But why ? OK, I have always found French cooking a bit wierd, many consider some dishes a delicacy. Many French people settled in the areas of the south, where they really do cook a bit differently.

Just for the hell of it let's bring up Jews, or more aptly put, Semites. Hebrew Jews are Semites as are some others of certain ethnicities, but they seem to share a common trait in that they do not eat pork. To me a week without pork is like a week without sunshine. Now what is it I get out of that pork that they might never get ? And more importantly what are the physiological reactions to that, whatever it is.

That is all oversimplified though, I want to get to the meat of the matter and information is very scarce on the subject. My Grandmother could not eat pork, it made her sick. Why ? She was not Jewish, errr Hebrew, if you would rather stick to ethnics. What is it in pork that her body could not tolerate ? Did Semites of the past possibly have this condition and that resulted in the sanctions against eating pork ?

My buddy is Native American, Scotch and Welsh I think, he got sick on a couple of handfuls of Planter's mixed nuts. This is something that I consider to be one of the very best snacks for you. Chock loaded with minerals and all that, no hydrogenated or HFCS, nothing of the sort. Yet he got sick. Why ?

Myself, people eat sushi, which has raw fish in it. Orienatals, or properly put I guess Asians seem to love the stuff, but I don't, I mean my mind doesn't even see raw fish as food. If you were to bring me a plate with raw fish I would say "Well ain't ya gonna cook it ?".

Seperating what all of this crap is, between body chemistry, social conditioning and even totally personal likes and dislikes are an aspect of what we are. A study of same thus would tend to enhance our understanding of ourselves, as well as others.

Behavioral tendencies are a whole different matter. Actually most of that is environmentally induced. However that was never the point. The point is innate differences, to ignore them is stupid. It shuts out an entire dimension of discussion and learning. However being something that none of us can do anything about, some take it the wrong way. Stop it.

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RE: Race - 2/2/2009 5:26:59 PM   
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Seperating what all of this crap is, between body chemistry, social conditioning and even totally personal likes and dislikes are an aspect of what we are. A study of same thus would tend to enhance our understanding of ourselves, as well as others.

None of the stuff you are talking about is body chemistry related. Repeat none of it. Food preferences are entirely cultural.

You've been told this before too.

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RE: Race - 2/2/2009 5:53:38 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		DK, I have been told alot of things.

Get it ?

If I were here to be on the PC gravy train I would be watching fucking TV. I am not. If you lack the open mind for it, go start a thread about it or something.

Be well.

T

Added I've been told, I take exception to that in a big way. Who the hell is anyone to tell me anything ? I've been told, HEY, you are talking to a full growed Man here. I been told indeed. What's more most of what I've been told, they've been told.

Do not incur my wraath Sir, as this would cause you to appear with your tail between your legs, and I shall do it within TOS of course. Tell me anything you wish, and like any Man I shall personally judge the validity of the words. But do not come in here acting as if you are my teacher, tutor or dojo or any of that bullshit. I would stand in Einsteins's face and tell him he was full of shit if I thought so.

Back to your regularly scheduled BS.

Be well DK, I have no animosity. I have expressed myself and as far as I am concerned, let's just move on.

T

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RE: Race - 2/2/2009 5:58:05 PM   
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Just for the hell of it let's bring up Jews, or more aptly put, Semites. Hebrew Jews are Semites as are some others of certain ethnicities, but they seem to share a common trait in that they do not eat pork. To me a week without pork is like a week without sunshine. Now what is it I get out of that pork that they might never get ? And more importantly what are the physiological reactions to that, whatever it is.


You're full of it, Term: how did I know you'd bring the Jews into this? You're upset because your crazy theories get shot down and because nobody will swallow them. Look at what you've written above: can't you see how crazy it sounds? Are you arguing that cultural traditions affect genetics? Or are you arguing the opposite?

The physiological reactions to eating pork are no different for a Jew than they are to you. In fact, I know an unholy amount of American Jews who love, simply love, bacon. Personally, I find pork disgusting: but if I eat it, it does not make me sick. See? You just had to ask.

You need to depart from your crackpot theories and to educate yourself and learn the facts. You just refuse to: do not be surprised, therefore, if the rest of us laughs at you in the process.


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RE: Race - 2/2/2009 6:27:11 PM   
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Even in the good ole USA, it's been said that some people down south eat things that most of us would call the Orkin Man for. That is true actually. But why ? OK, I have always found French cooking a bit wierd, many consider some dishes a delicacy. Many French people settled in the areas of the south, where they really do cook a bit differently.


What do us Southernors eat that is so weird, Term? 

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RE: Race - 2/2/2009 6:29:04 PM   
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Just for the hell of it let's bring up Jews, or more aptly put, Semites. Hebrew Jews are Semites as are some others of certain ethnicities, but they seem to share a common trait in that they do not eat pork. To me a week without pork is like a week without sunshine. Now what is it I get out of that pork that they might never get ? And more importantly what are the physiological reactions to that, whatever it is.


You're full of it, Term: how did I know you'd bring the Jews into this? You're upset because your crazy theories get shot down and because nobody will swallow them. Look at what you've written above: can't you see how crazy it sounds? Are you arguing that cultural traditions affect genetics? Or are you arguing the opposite?

The physiological reactions to eating pork are no different for a Jew than they are to you. In fact, I know an unholy amount of American Jews who love, simply love, bacon. Personally, I find pork disgusting: but if I eat it, it does not make me sick. See? You just had to ask.

You need to depart from your crackpot theories and to educate yourself and learn the facts. You just refuse to: do not be surprised, therefore, if the rest of us laughs at you in the process.

I have an aversion to pig in the form of a roast or chops, but I like ham and sausages and sometimes bacon (seldom eat; high fat). I have no idea why; I just accept it.

I've never met anyone in the South who has eaten anything like what term fantasizes about, but then, I've only been in the South for about 38 years.

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RE: Race - 2/2/2009 6:40:17 PM   
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What do us Southernors eat that is so weird, Term? 


Nothing as weird as this, I bet: Cervelle d'Agneau Servie avec son Jus.


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RE: Race - 2/2/2009 6:48:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lamb brains?  It's what the translator said.  Eh, that's not weird.  I've had cow brains and scrambled eggs before.  Fried brain sandwiches are popular in St. Louis. 

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RE: Race - 2/2/2009 6:51:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thing is, that particular recipe demands that the lamb's brain be raw *gag* . I wonder whether a Pole would break out into hives from eating it  ?

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RE: Race - 2/2/2009 6:54:33 PM   
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Thing is, that particular recipe demands that the lamb's brain be raw *gag* . I wonder whether a Pole would break out into hives from eating it  ?
A quart of sour cram and a kilo of paprika would make it palatable, I'm guessing.

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