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RE: Race - 2/2/2009 6:57:47 PM

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Yeah, raw brains sounds a little disgusting. Of course I've said that about a lot of dishes before I tried them.

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RE: Race - 2/3/2009 7:52:25 AM

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DK, I have been told alot of things.

Get it ?

If I were here to be on the PC gravy train I would be watching fucking TV. I am not. If you lack the open mind for it, go start a thread about it or something.

Be well.

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Added I've been told, I take exception to that in a big way. Who the hell is anyone to tell me anything ? I've been told, HEY, you are talking to a full growed Man here. I been told indeed. What's more most of what I've been told, they've been told.

Do not incur my wraath Sir, as this would cause you to appear with your tail between your legs, and I shall do it within TOS of course. Tell me anything you wish, and like any Man I shall personally judge the validity of the words. But do not come in here acting as if you are my teacher, tutor or dojo or any of that bullshit. I would stand in Einsteins's face and tell him he was full of shit if I thought so.

Back to your regularly scheduled BS.

Be well DK, I have no animosity. I have expressed myself and as far as I am concerned, let's just move on.

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Please do your worst, I wish to incur your wrath. You start these threads every few months and start tossing around claims. No matter what evidence you are shown you continue to claim that your false beliefs are correct.

Once again, There is not a single biochemical difference that can be pointed to that is diagnostic of a person being in any so called racial, ethnic or religious group.

Diet is simply an artifact of cultural and economic circumstances. It has nothing what so ever to do with any sort of "racial" identity.

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RE: Race - 2/3/2009 8:44:13 AM

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I simply disagree DK. Maybe I'll look around the net and try to find you something solid, but my evidence has been spread over the last four decades and is not easiy to recount, or prove. However it is equally hard to disprorve. Anyone can say anything, and people with all kinds of letters after their name can be, and have been proven wrong.

Your position on this particular matter is so generalized that it almost implies onmipotence on your part, or that of your mentors or teachers on the subject. Do you make such a claim ?

And get this, I don't believe you are totally wrong, it's just that I don't believe you are totally right. Let's even say that I capitulate and stipulate that you are 70-80% right, what about the other 20-30% ? That is what I am getting at.

I also think that this 20-30% is alot more important than most people think.

There is no source, no site, no evidence that anyone could provide that would change my mind in any hurry. True factual evidence would require onmipotence. Anyone else can be, and has been wrong..

Anyone can write a webpage, a column, a book. I can and have. If you like I will send them to you and you can have oodles of fun picking my opinions apart, which is fine. I would welcome that.

You see that is part of my wraath, you can't piss me off. I said I take exception to....having been told. Well when I was little there was a family friend who came ariound, grabbed me by the nose (gently) and then stuck his thumb between a couple of his fingers and said "I got your nose". A quick tactile inspection of the facial situation proved him wrong.

The point is, anyone can say anything. Most of what I say is opinion, but I say it here to see who is fer and who is agin it. An open discussion. You seem to want to close it.

Other than that really, we have no problem.

I've been told that Elvis is alive, I've been told that Jesus is coming and he is pissed off, I've been told that soon the Earth's crust will again rotate upon the magma underneath and the seasons, climate and the magnetic poles will change drastically. Only the last of the three do I believe has any real chance of happening. However there is solid scientific evidence of that last one having happened before, and no part of current scientific theory about the structure of the Earth internally even suggests that it will not happen again. It is simply a matter of when. Even with all that I've my doubts, and doubt even more that it would happen in my lifetime.

At any rate, that's the story. You only have the power to control the pixels in my video screen RAM, and only when I see fit. How could I possibly get pissed off ?

Just remember the saying - Don't believe what you hear, and only half of what you see.

T

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RE: Race - 2/3/2009 11:39:16 AM

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I'll continue to say this until you concede the point, there is no biochemical, DNA, blood serum or other test that could definitively identify a person as belonging to any racial or ethnic group. People have looked for such and it simply doesn't exist. Your belief on the subject doesn't matter.

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RE: Race - 2/4/2009 5:47:32 AM

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Just agree to disagree, otherwise you will find yourself in the position of trying to prove a negative.

The only thing I can add to that is they used to think the Earth was flat. Someone refused to accept that, and see what happened.

I have no proof to the contrary, and neither did Copernicus. (or whoever). However stifling a search for evidence to the contrary is not a good way to advance intellectually.

I agree to disagree, and I know I am disagreeing with ALOT. It's no surprise that some have a hard time with that. At least they don't execute heretics anymore :-)

Be well.

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RE: Race - 2/4/2009 6:07:56 AM

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So, you're on a par with Copernicus now?

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I have no proof to the contrary, and neither did Copernicus. (or whoever). However stifling a search for evidence to the contrary is not a good way to advance intellectually.

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RE: Race - 2/4/2009 6:19:22 AM

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Oh geez not another one - "Who do I think I am to disagree ?".

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RE: Race - 2/4/2009 6:30:25 AM

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Dude you can disagree all you want, but the differance between you and Copernicus is that he actually tried to prove his theory rather than simply say 'ha well its my idea so there na na na na na na

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RE: Race - 2/4/2009 6:56:51 AM

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Oh geez not another one - "Who do I think I am to disagree ?".

T

Not at all. I'm all for the challenging of conventional wisdom but when that convention is a scientific one, I expect the challenge to come from a perspective of scientific expertise. You seem to lack even a basic scientific understanding of what it is you hope to question. Furthermore, you give no reasoning behind your refutations of the many posters who have tried to school you on the facts, which is simultaneously arrogant and infantile. I sometimes enjoy your posts because you do have, I think unknowingly, a very musical ear and that untutored lyricism to your syntax sugar-coats what is, in reality, a rather bitter and unsavoury pill.

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RE: Race - 2/4/2009 7:37:11 AM

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Interesting.

Well I still say the Earth is round.

You have supposedly hard facts, while I make no such claim. I want to discuss ideas that run counter to accepted scientific beliefs, and I notice that some people are unwilling to accept that, nor entertain such a discussion. In fact feel the need to quell such a discussion apparently given what a couple of people are saying.

Why ? Is it also fear or some other type of insecurity ? Posts like this seem to draw this type like a magnet. That almost suggests a defensive stance, and such a stance implies that fear or insecurity, real or imagined, is involved.

I KNOW WTF I am doing, I am challenging long accepted theory. I don't expect everyone to accept my dogma rather than the popular dogma. That would be unreaslistic.

I KNOW that I can't substantiate things with our beloved links to people who are simply better at writing webages than I, or those with letters after their name. I KNOW that some people will call BS on it, but it is starting to look like peole want to make sure nobody discusses certain things.

Perhaps with some time for introspection you could explain that. None of us change our base beliefs easily, I KNOW not to try to convince you of much.

My basis of challenging convetional beliefs is rooted in my belief that people have a tendency to find that which they seek, and many have a tendency to ignore anything contradictory. Therefore I believe that current scientific theory could be wrong, and it has been shown to be wrong in the past.

If one cannot accept that, not for themselves, but at least acknowledge it without harping on the dogma (thank you all for the lack of cites and quotes, those who know it would not further your case), then one is not prepared for this type of discussion.

And, THE EARTH IS NOT FLAT DAMMIT !

T

Edited to correct, the Earth is not round, it is spherical. Sorry, just a mis use of words.

Also, the Earth reference, I wonder how many here would, if the accepted theory was that the Earth was flat, would be doing axactly what they do today.........

T

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RE: Race - 2/4/2009 7:43:34 AM

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Have you ever read david icke? He is another bloke screaming that the world is not flat without any proof. Sure we can have a debate based on guessing against what science tells us, thats fine. But that doesnt mean that you are right. It did turn out that the world is not flat that doesnt mean that your theory is true

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RE: Race - 2/4/2009 7:47:48 AM

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No it doesn't coloured, that is why we discuss these things. Would you rather go back to politics ?

LOL

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RE: Race - 2/4/2009 7:50:33 AM

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LOL what is it that they say, everything is about politics.

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RE: Race - 2/4/2009 7:54:07 AM

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I find this an interesting topic..so I was reading about all kind of views on race.Personally I think their are races..but not meaning ....one is better then the other...but because of evolution (scientific approach).While reading I found this link..never knew the bible mentioned races...http://creationwiki.org/Races and an otherhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_human_beings) there are also some very discusting texts on the web...but you know soon enough when you read the first lines. Easy to filter them out.

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RE: Race - 2/4/2009 7:58:04 AM

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Just agree to disagree, otherwise you will find yourself in the position of trying to prove a negative.

The only thing I can add to that is they used to think the Earth was flat. Someone refused to accept that, and see what happened.

I have no proof to the contrary, and neither did Copernicus. (or whoever). However stifling a search for evidence to the contrary is not a good way to advance intellectually.

I agree to disagree, and I know I am disagreeing with ALOT. It's no surprise that some have a hard time with that. At least they don't execute heretics anymore :-)

Be well.

T

Copernicus, and every other scientist who successfully challenged then current theory, did have evidence. You however have none and must also overcome an enormous body of existing evidence contrary to your theory so produce something besides wishful thinking or accept that reality does not conform to your desires.

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RE: Race - 2/4/2009 8:00:41 AM

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I notice that when questioned you sound increasingly ragged. One quick comment: you aren't "challenging long accepted theory", you're simply excited by the thought of discredited ones. Your ideas were commonly held until modern scientific method disproved them in relatively recent times. In the 1940s you'd have been considered "liberal on race". One other thing; I care little whether or not you discuss this issue, if your refusal or inability to respond to the germane within contradictory posts can be termed a discussion. I'm simply passing the time, not part of a world-wide conspiracy to silence your startling revelations. Like this one:

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people have a tendency to find that which they seek, and many have a tendency to ignore anything contradictory.

Hmm...

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RE: Race - 2/4/2009 8:09:59 AM

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Wait a minute here, I am the one being contradictory.

About finding what one seeks, I never denied that this trait exists within me. I am indeed seeking the off the wall, the contradictory, the unusual, who really knows.

What is wrong with that ?

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RE: Race - 2/4/2009 8:22:07 AM

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If we are being infantile; the toughest question that any kid can ask is "Why?" Not "What?" but "Why?" As in, why does someone who describes himself as being so secure in who he is expend so much energy on this issue? So tell us T, why?

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RE: Race - 2/4/2009 8:25:14 AM

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I find this an interesting topic..so I was reading about all kind of views on race.Personally I think their are races..but not meaning ....one is better then the other...but because of evolution (scientific approach).While reading I found this link..never knew the bible mentioned races...http://creationwiki.org/Races and an otherhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_human_beings) there are also some very discusting texts on the web...but you know soon enough when you read the first lines. Easy to filter them out.

Have you actually checked that first link? It's a weird racist website which has disguised itself as wikipedia, probably to fool those lazy and gullible enough to fall for it. Perish forbid that that should include you, of course.

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RE: Race - 2/4/2009 8:52:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

I find this an interesting topic..so I was reading about all kind of views on race.Personally I think their are races..but not meaning ....one is better then the other...but because of evolution (scientific approach).While reading I found this link..never knew the bible mentioned races...http://creationwiki.org/Races and an otherhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_human_beings) there are also some very discusting texts on the web...but you know soon enough when you read the first lines. Easy to filter them out.

Have you actually checked that first link? It's a weird racist website which has disguised itself as wikipedia, probably to fool those lazy and gullible enough to fall for it. Perish forbid that that should include you, of course.

NEah I didn't read it like that. I don't see evil in it all.But I will reread it..perhaps you are right.Still..the other one makes sense...perhaps we can fall that one edit: mmm don't see a complot behind it. But people can skip it.Think it is church related..against evolution theory.

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