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RE: Finally some said it "The King has no clothes&... - 2/2/2009 11:30:07 PM   
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When someone takes the time to go to another thread and find a quote that has nothing to do with the thread to state why he thinks my opinion in this thread is worthless, I think he's making it personal.

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RE: Finally some said it "The King has no clothes&... - 2/2/2009 11:30:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


And while all these people in Kentucky have been suffering and dying through Obama's Katrina, President Obama has been living it up at his Super Bowl party and yucking it up at the Alfalfa dinner...

How many standards?

TWO
STANDARDS!!!


 
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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

Now if these events occurred a month ago the press would be blaming bush. Since Obama is president not one word in the press about it.  If Katrina occurred under Obama the press would suppress any criticism  just like they did with Bill Clinton during flood of the century .

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/winter_storm_outages

MARION, Ky. – In some parts of rural Kentucky, they're getting water the old-fashioned way — with pails from a creek. There's not room for one more sleeping bag on the shelter floor. The creative are flushing their toilets with melted snow.

At least 42 people have died, including 11 in Kentucky, and conditions are worsening in many places days after an ice storm knocked out power to 1.3 million customers from the Plains to the East Coast. About a million people were still without electric Friday, and with no hope that the lights will come back on soon, small communities are frantically struggling to help their residents.

One county put it bluntly: It can't.
"We're asking people to pack a suitcase and head south and find a motel if they have the means, because we can't service everybody in our shelter," said Crittenden County Judge-Executive Fred Brown, who oversees about 9,000 people, many of whom are sleeping in the town's elementary school.

Local officials were growing angry with what they said was a lack of help from the state and the Federal Emergency Management Agency. In Grayson County, about 80 miles southwest of Louisville, Emergency Management Director Randell Smith said the 25 National Guardsmen who have responded have no chain saws to clear fallen trees.

"We've got people out in some areas we haven't even visited yet," Smith said. "We don't even know that they're alive."

Smith said
FEMA has been a no-show so far.

"I'm not saying we can't handle it; we'll handle it," Smith said. "But it would have made life a lot easier" if FEMA had reached the county sooner, he said.

FEMA spokeswoman Mary Hudak said some FEMA personnel already are in Kentucky working in the state's emergency operations center and that more will be arriving in coming days. Hudak said FEMA also has shipped to 50 to 100 generators to the state to supply electricity to facilities like hospitals, nursing homes, and water treatment plants.

Hudak said travel is still dangerous in some areas and communications are limited.

"We have plenty of folks ready to go, but there are some limitations with roads closed and icy conditions," she said.

From Missouri to Ohio, thousands were bunked down in shelters, waiting for the power to return. Others are trying to tough out the power outage at home, using any means they can to get basics like drinking water, heat and food.

Lori Clarke was stuck at home in the western Kentucky town of Marion with trees blocking the road out. She trudged more than half a mile through snow and ice carrying 5-gallon buckets to bring drinking water for her horses and dogs and to flush her toilet.

"When you live out in the country, you just shift into survival mode," she said.

Even for those who wanted to leave, it wasn't possible. The one gas station in Marion that was up and running was able to supply gasoline to emergency vehicles only until another delivery of gasoline arrived Friday. Only half of that gas was made available to the public, and there was a $10 limit.

Linda Young, who is staying the town's shelter, said her car only had enough gas in it to get around Marion. Even if she had gas, there was nowhere to go — all of her relatives in other parts of Kentucky also were hit by the ice storm.

"For right now, this is the best we can do, so this is where we're at," said Young, as she sat on a mattress with her 9-year-old son and 11-year-old daughter.

By midafternoon water service had been restored to the city of Marion thanks to a generator, while efforts continued to restore service to the outlying county, Police Chief Ray O'Neal said. Residents were being told to boil the water before drinking it.

Meanwhile, the death toll was rising: Since the storm began Monday, the weather is suspected in at least 11 deaths in Kentucky, nine more in Arkansas, six each in Texas and Missouri, three in Virginia, two each in Oklahoma, Indiana and West Virginia and one in Ohio, with most of them blamed on hypothermia, traffic accidents and carbon monoxide poisoning from generators.

Among the latest deaths reported were those of a man in his 60s, a woman in her 50s and a woman in her 40s who were found in a southwestern Louisville home Friday. The younger woman was found in bed; the other two were found in the garage, along with a generator, police spokesman Phil Russell said.

The fight to return power to Kentucky and other areas affected by the ice storm is difficult because of the sheer number of outages, but also because of the ice itself. Crews have joined the effort from around the country, but more than a half-million homes and businesses were still out in Kentucky on Friday, along with roughly 78,000 in Missouri and 284,000 in Arkansas. Thousands more were still in the dark in Ohio, Tennessee and West Virginia.

"As ice is melting, power lines and tree limbs are springing upward and hitting other power lines," said Rita Alexander, spokeswoman for Gibson Electric Membership Corp. in Tennessee. "It is just an unpleasant part of the process."

While generators were able to bring some water pumping stations back to life Friday, thousands still didn't have access to running water, and thousands more were under boil advisories. Roughly 200,000 people across Kentucky still don't have water. In Hayti, Mo., alderwoman Lisa Green said a temporary generator was in use to run the water plant, and power was being moved around to pump wastewater through the sewage system, she said.

That wasn't enough. "Our water plant is up and running, but people are inundating it," Green said. The community has received some bottled water, she said, but needs more.

A precious few had enough supplies to tough it out alone. Stephen Cates said his home was being warmed by kerosene heaters and an electric furnace powered by a generator that he waited 4 1/2 hours in line to purchase in Evansville, Ind.

He was flushing his toilet with melted snow, and could even watch TV.

"I'm living just like I have electricity, just about, eating hot food," Cates said.

___

Contributing to this report were Associated Press writers Roger Alford in Leitchfield, Ky., Dylan T. Lovan, Rebecca Yonker, Brett Barrouquere and Janet Cappiello Blake in Louisville, Ky., Betsy Taylor in St. Louis and Randall Dickerson in Nashville, Tenn





It's also interesting when a red state has a natural disaster their people pull together to help their neighbors. As opposed to New Orleans which turned into a gangland rape and murder festival and then blamed Bush for their inability to act remotely human.

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RE: Finally some said it "The King has no clothes&... - 2/2/2009 11:40:44 PM   
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"gangland rape and murder festival"

Any proof to back up your bullshit?

Never happened.

Obama`s been in a week.

bush had years to ruin FEMA

Must suck defending failure.

Why do it?What`s the up side?



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RE: Finally some said it "The King has no clothes&... - 2/2/2009 11:47:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Crush

<rant starts>
The only change is corruption in a different format.  Government is too big and has gotten bigger over the past 8+ years.  No change in that in the foreseeable future.  It is a shame,  because I sure was hopeful that maybe, just maybe, this neophyte was going to bring in new ideas and new blood.  Instead, just old ideas and old farts.

Not just B.O., but Pelosi and Reid.   Those two are just power-mad-hungry to put in place their idea of "a better America" that I just can't agree with personally. And the Republicans are really no better. 

It isn't about making America better.  It is about power, pure and simple.  Otherwise, we'd have a stimulus bill that would stimulate.  A "safety net" bill that would be a short term net to help out those in trouble.  



The credit crunch was created by government mismanagement. The longer i think about it, the more I believe it was done on purpose. To "stimulate" the economy the government is going to need to get out of the mortgage business. The current "stimulus" bill is going to make the economic problems worse not better. The idiot Republican that suggested the government provide 4.5 percent mortgages to anyone that wanted one instead of the current 1.2 trillion Democrat pork program is part of the problem, but at least he wasn't suggesting it to increase his own power.

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And then we'd be over it and moving on.  Not stuck in the past, but heading towards the future with lessons from the past.


Why learn from the past when you can exploit it to increase the Party's power. The targeted bailouts, the modification of contracts by 3rd parties, massive tax increases *all* were government fuck-ups that turned a recession into the great depression. But hey, who gives a fuck if there's 20-40 percent unemployment and widespread civic violence. The sheeple will still vote more power to the people responsible for this mess in the first place.

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All the laws, with the exception of the Constitution and Amendments, should have sunset provisions by default, say 15 years or so.    That way, those critters would be revising the horrible mess of legal stuff we have instead of creating new messes each session.   

While we're at it, all those critters in Congress should be limited to 12 years of service at a maximum.     (Of course, there is always the two term solution:  One in office and then one in prison.)  Let those "Elder Statesmen" come back and work in their city or state, if they want to stay in politics.

Heck, even Belize knows enough to throw the devils out every five years now!

Come the Revolution, there will be changes...serious changes... 

<insert mustache twirl>

<end rant>



The Constitution is toilet paper, been that way for a long time, and I doubt it'll be of any significance again in my lifetime.

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RE: Finally some said it "The King has no clothes&... - 2/2/2009 11:56:54 PM   
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Red seems to be the color of ignorance and irrationality. Obama's been in office less than two weeks, and you think that's enough time to undo the complete destruction that Bush wrought upon FEMA by filling it with his unqualified political cronies?

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RE: Finally some said it "The King has no clothes&... - 2/2/2009 11:59:51 PM   
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Can you tell me at what point will Obama start to take responsibility?  At what point do you say its his fault?  Will it be after his first year in office?  Maybe his second year?  What is the time table for him to except responsibility?

I see keith Olbermann is starting to cover Obamas problems by calling him just a Rookie....lol  Funny how he wouldnt use that term before November. 

quote]ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

So, tell me, what is FEMA supposed to go, send people in with generators and hair dryers to melt the ice?

It's not like the Busheviks left FEMA fully restocked with supplies and manned with competent people ("heck of a job, shithead!").

It's not like the Busheviks took 1 trillion bucks and revamped and upgraded the grid; no, instead, they just deregulated the utilities to the point where the utilities weren't required to spend a dime on facilities.

Bush had 6 YEARS to actually come back from vacation (1/3 of his >cough, hack< administration he was fucking off on vacation) and do something. Obama's been PREZ for, what  11 days and already we hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the Neocons? Wear them teeth down to nubs. Wail your lungs out. The more nubs I see and the more wails I hear from the Neocons, the more I know the Prez is on the right track.

Waaaah! Waaaah! Waaaaah!

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RE: Finally some said it "The King has no clothes&... - 2/3/2009 12:00:17 AM   
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Ok,I`m a reasonable guy.I`ll compromise.

Only the states that vote for the bill, get any money/tax cuts.

Should we force money onto folks who don`t want it?


I guess, then, that only the red states should have the protection of the US Military, seeing as a majority of it's members were born and raised in red states?

Hell, the entire west coast would be open season .... I think the Somalia pirates would be willing to brave the wide ocean to pillage Malibu ...

Iceland invades New York and Mass to pick up a few baubles to balance it's deficit .... ?

Firm


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RE: Finally some said it "The King has no clothes&... - 2/3/2009 12:10:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

"gangland rape and murder festival"

Any proof to back up your bullshit?

Never happened.



Oh wow, you actually went out and found that did ya ? So Bush couldn't be responsible for the violence that didn't happen in New Orleans correct ?

quote:



Obama`s been in a week.



He's still an anti-american values sycophant backed by a clueless mob. And after hearing eight years of conspiracy stories about Bush I'm not going to be quiet about it. I really can't believe it though, over a dozen lobbyists in the cabinet with at least *two* democrats that think taxes should soak the rich *unless* it happens to be them. Mad TV couldn't come up with better bullshit. And as you said, it's his *first* couple weeks. lol.

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bush had years to ruin FEMA


Bush didn't do fucking crap to fema. They were in the New Orleans area as soon as they could clear roads to get there. And um, lets see, that red state next to New Orleans, they didn't seem to have any violence or looting problems *and* they have actually managed to be well on their way to rebuilding. As opposed to the ninth district in New Orleans which hasn't seen shit because the local government is too incompetent and too cowardly to redraw the flood tables which is a pre-requisite before any entity will provide insurance to any one that cares to try to build there.

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Must suck defending failure.


It must suck being such an ignorant loser that you can't make it in this country unless the government sticks a gun up your neighbors ass and steals for you.

quote:


Why do it?What`s the up side?


The up side ? Of what ? Defending American values against a bunch of twits begging to be made slaves under socialism ? Not much upside except it helps keep me sane.

Well, actually, *now* with this would-be tyrant in the white house that isn't even *trying* to make it look like he's trying to keep his promises, it's actually going to be a somewhat fun. And your party set the rules the past eight years, no holds barred in regard to language and hyperbole used to describe the current occupant of the white house. Get used to it.

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RE: Finally some said it "The King has no clothes&... - 2/3/2009 12:12:43 AM   
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It always was a sewer.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_4_new_orleans.html

The second job is less obvious. New Orleans’s immutable civic shame, before and after Katrina, is not racism, poverty, or inequality, but murder—a culture of murder so vicious and so pervasive that it terrorizes and numbs the whole city. In 2003, New Orleans’s murder rate was nearly eight times the national average—and since then, murder has increased. In 2002 and 2003, New Orleans had the highest per capita city homicide rate in the United States, with 59 people killed per year per 100,000 citizens—compared to New York City’s seven. New Orleans is a New York with nearly 5,000 murders a year—an unlivable place. The city’s economy has sputtered over the past generation partly because local and state officials have failed to do the most elementary job of government: to secure the personal safety of citizens.


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

"gangland rape and murder festival"

Any proof to back up your bullshit?

Never happened.

Obama`s been in a week.

bush had years to ruin FEMA

Must suck defending failure.

Why do it?What`s the up side?



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RE: Finally some said it "The King has no clothes&... - 2/3/2009 12:16:10 AM   
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Who said anything about violence but you?

This is what people blame bush for and what he`ll be remembered for.

Although I have no links to back that up.

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RE: Finally some said it "The King has no clothes&... - 2/3/2009 12:21:32 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

Ok,I`m a reasonable guy.I`ll compromise.

Only the states that vote for the bill, get any money/tax cuts.

Should we force money onto folks who don`t want it?


I guess, then, that only the red states should have the protection of the US Military, seeing as a majority of it's members were born and raised in red states?

Hell, the entire west coast would be open season .... I think the Somalia pirates would be willing to brave the wide ocean to pillage Malibu ...

Iceland invades New York and Mass to pick up a few baubles to balance it's deficit .... ?

Firm




God, someone *please* invade California. Stop the mass California immigration into Arizona that's screwing up this relatively decent state. I don't know what's worse for Arizona, the illegal horde from the south or the clueless hippy invasion from the west.

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RE: Finally some said it "The King has no clothes&... - 2/3/2009 12:31:21 AM   
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so now Obama supports torture just as long as it isnt done by Americans.  So much for Obamas ideals.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-rendition1-2009feb01,0,4661244.story

Obama preserves renditions as counter-terrorism tool
The role of the CIA's controversial prisoner-transfer program may expand, intelligence experts say.
By Greg Miller
February 1, 2009
Reporting from Washington -- The CIA's secret prisons are being shuttered. Harsh interrogation techniques are off-limits. And Guantanamo Bay will eventually go back to being a wind-swept naval base on the southeastern corner of Cuba.

But even while dismantling these programs, President Obama left intact an equally controversial counter-terrorism tool.
Under executive orders issued by Obama recently, the CIA still has authority to carry out what are known as renditions, secret abductions and transfers of prisoners to countries that cooperate with the United States.





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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Who said anything about violence but you?

This is what people blame bush for and what he`ll be remembered for.

Although I have no links to back that up.

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RE: Finally some said it "The King has no clothes&... - 2/3/2009 6:56:28 AM   
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So if a state's rep's do not vote for or support a bill that becomes law, they should not have to follow that law? Is that what you are saying? So you do not support the ideal of a Democratic Republic? You believe the US Constitution should not be followed?


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

They voted against the bill.

Obviously, they don`t want the money.

Am I missing something?

I`ll call the whhhaaambulance.





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RE: Finally some said it "The King has no clothes&... - 2/3/2009 7:02:08 AM   
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Arizona,

You know you are just touting the opposite party line of O59 right? Neither of you, or people that are like either of you, help a damn thing really. If you keep things in the realm of rational and pertinent, then they may stay there and issues actually get resolved. The politicians count on cheerleaders to keep everyone off balance, and from focusing on things.

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RE: Finally some said it "The King has no clothes&... - 2/3/2009 4:03:46 PM   
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I As far as your "Fox loving, gun toting Republican friends" saying I don't get it...with frenemies like that who needs enemies! Just like any "family disagreement",  don't confuse being pissed off with Bush (as I was too on some of his actions) with embracing the left.  You don't desert and embrace another guy because he says all the right things, makes wonderful, almost believable promises.   No question George Bush did things that pissed republicans off..including a conservative like me.  However, if it came to a choice between Obama,  man with radical principles of government that, I believe,  hold the very real potential to tear our country apart, and a George Bush with all his warts and pimples, I'll take GW, thank you.  


This is what so many on the right fail to understand....Democrats cannot win Presidential elections, Republicans have to lose them.  Your "frenemies" did exactly what you detest. Many voted for Obama.  

Anyone today that still admires GW has a serious problem with understanding the landscape, the truth behind his decisions and exactly how his actions led to the Obama presidency.  When you bitch about Obama you are in fact bitching about your own Party's inadequacies and complete failures.

They made all of this possible.  I thank all of them for their support.

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RE: Finally some said it "The King has no clothes&... - 2/3/2009 4:16:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1

Are you insulting a Rep by calling them "gun toting" while your default pic is of a gun toting rapper?

I am shaking my head at this thread.



You need to think before you post....You are in way over your lil' head.  First off, my avatar has no bearing on my posts....Would you think one should post a certain way because their avatar is a dragon? Or if one's avatar features a questionable ass?  I never would.

What I was attempting to allude to, which went completely over your lil' dominant head, was that many "devout"...(I substituted "gun toting")  Republicans were so disgusted with Bush that they voted for Obama simply out of disgust.

If you think that is a horrible slam agains the GOP,  you have me apologies. 

You are truly a fascinating woman....I really like this particular journal entry....You really are something special.

11/3/2008 7:31:25 PM [Report Entry]

DC was cool.  But everyone acted like they never saw a white woman before.  What's the deal?
 
 
Priceless....You are truly an angel sent down from the heavens.  So open minded, so classy, intelligent and all I would ever want in a Domme....
 
Also go back and look at your journal..I only went to the first page...Some poor spellin'.  Don't want to attract the uneducated.  Because judging from your journal, you could use all of the intelligent help you can get.

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RE: Finally some said it "The King has no clothes&... - 2/3/2009 4:21:03 PM   
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...don't be silly. The fact is, in the US, you have but two choices in your political landscape. It's not about which is perfect, it's about which is better. Corruption is a constant factor in all beauracracies, i'd pick the administration that has one tenth of the corruption of the other anyday.



In which case, if you're making a 10:1 comparison, the only fair way to do it would be to compare to Bush's corruption level 2 weeks into his presidency.

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RE: Finally some said it "The King has no clothes&... - 2/3/2009 4:26:05 PM   
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...check post 21.

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RE: Finally some said it "The King has no clothes&... - 2/3/2009 4:27:06 PM   
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I'm thinking coldwarrior57 is far enough out of touch with reality that he deserves his own hour on Fox Noise.

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RE: Finally some said it "The King has no clothes&... - 2/3/2009 4:27:57 PM   
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...which makes an assumption about the future, while I suggested making a comparison from known data points in the past.

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