The S word

Collarspace Discussion Forums

Home Login Search

The S word

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> The S word

Page: [1] 2 3 4 5 next > >>

Login

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

The S word - 2/3/2009 12:24:29 AM

colouredin

Posts: 4279
Joined: 2/2/2007
Status: offline

Now I have been a contributing memeber of this forum for a fair old while now. I enjoy reading your sometimes incomprehensibile arguments about politics but something is really confusing to me. So often I see the s word (socialism) spat out of peoples mouths in regards to Obama. Is this a residue of the fear of reds under the bed? I also wonder how many people know what socialism is? I think saying Obama is a socialist is pushing it to be honest but also why would it be so bad if he were? These are genuine questions, maybe socialism means something differant over there. It would be nice if this thread was kept understandable so not too many cultural references

_____________________________

Resident Lime(y) Tart
There would be no gossip without secrets
I don't want to be anything other than what I've been trying to be lately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELvfMJoKDAk

Post #: 1

RE: The S word - 2/3/2009 12:29:53 AM

JustDarkness

Posts: 1461
Joined: 7/25/2008
Status: offline

I thought social-ist was a good word. Meaning beeing social.( in my language at least)

(in reply to colouredin)

Post #: 2

RE: The S word - 2/3/2009 12:30:36 AM

Vendaval

Posts: 10297
Joined: 1/15/2005
Status: offline

Well, you need to know about the Red Scare and McCarthyism. Here is a good starting point -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

_____________________________

"Beware, the woods at night, beware the lunar light.
So in this gray haze we'll be meating again, and on that
great day, I will tease you all the same."
"WOLF MOON", OCTOBER RUST, TYPE O NEGATIVE

http://KinkMeet.co.uk

(in reply to colouredin)

Post #: 3

RE: The S word - 2/3/2009 12:31:18 AM

MissSepphora1

Posts: 669
Joined: 1/11/2008
Status: offline

I guess it might be a little like tossing the word Nazi around lightly.

(in reply to JustDarkness)

Post #: 4

RE: The S word - 2/3/2009 12:32:14 AM

colouredin

Posts: 4279
Joined: 2/2/2007
Status: offline

I know about Mccarthyism (hense the reds under the bed comment)

But do people think that he was a decent bloke?

_____________________________

Resident Lime(y) Tart
There would be no gossip without secrets
I don't want to be anything other than what I've been trying to be lately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELvfMJoKDAk

(in reply to Vendaval)

Post #: 5

RE: The S word - 2/3/2009 12:33:38 AM

Vendaval

Posts: 10297
Joined: 1/15/2005
Status: offline

McCarthy? No, many call that era a modern day witch hunt.

_____________________________

"Beware, the woods at night, beware the lunar light.
So in this gray haze we'll be meating again, and on that
great day, I will tease you all the same."
"WOLF MOON", OCTOBER RUST, TYPE O NEGATIVE

http://KinkMeet.co.uk

(in reply to colouredin)

Post #: 6

RE: The S word - 2/3/2009 12:33:56 AM

GreedyTop

Posts: 52100
Joined: 5/2/2007
From: Savannah, GA
Status: offline

In reading history, I thought mccarthy was a fucktard of the first degree.

< Message edited by GreedyTop -- 2/3/2009 12:34:47 AM >

_____________________________

polysnortatious
Supreme Goddess of Snark
CHARTER MEMBER: Lance's Fag Hags!
Waiting for my madman in a Blue Box.

(in reply to colouredin)

Post #: 7

RE: The S word - 2/3/2009 12:35:53 AM

colouredin

Posts: 4279
Joined: 2/2/2007
Status: offline

Yeah well me too GT and no better word to describe it.

_____________________________

Resident Lime(y) Tart
There would be no gossip without secrets
I don't want to be anything other than what I've been trying to be lately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELvfMJoKDAk

(in reply to GreedyTop)

Post #: 8

RE: The S word - 2/3/2009 12:36:41 AM

GreedyTop

Posts: 52100
Joined: 5/2/2007
From: Savannah, GA
Status: offline

*adores my colourful girl*

_____________________________

polysnortatious
Supreme Goddess of Snark
CHARTER MEMBER: Lance's Fag Hags!
Waiting for my madman in a Blue Box.

(in reply to colouredin)

Post #: 9

RE: The S word - 2/3/2009 12:47:41 AM

BbwCanaDomme

Posts: 330
Joined: 5/22/2008
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1

I guess it might be a little like tossing the word Nazi around lightly.

What in the fuck?

What is it that Americans think socialists do exactly? Canada's a socialist country, and our economy is in the best shape of any of the G7 countries, our standard of living is higher, etc, why are you guys so terrified?

Socialism does not equal communism and comparing socialists to nazis is just fucking retarded.

edit- sorry, anger induced typos. Also, I'm not saying America needs to be a socialist country, whatever works for you guys, but seriously, there are worst things than being a socialist.

< Message edited by BbwCanaDomme -- 2/3/2009 12:49:36 AM >

_____________________________

http://blogdsm.wordpress.com

(in reply to MissSepphora1)

Post #: 10

RE: The S word - 2/3/2009 12:48:23 AM

YoursMistress

Posts: 894
Joined: 12/17/2008
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

In reading history, I thought mccarthy was a fucktard of the first degree.

I'm pretty sure that he predated the term "fucktard", so it may not be legal to use it as a descriptive for him. If so it's a terrible shame.

yours

_____________________________

May your service of love a beautiful thing; want nothing else, fear nothing else and let love be free to become what love truly is. -- Hadewijch of Antwerp

As a rule, I don't like to make general statements.

(in reply to GreedyTop)

Post #: 11

RE: The S word - 2/3/2009 12:58:49 AM

colouredin

Posts: 4279
Joined: 2/2/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: BbwCanaDomme

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1

I guess it might be a little like tossing the word Nazi around lightly.

What in the fuck?

What is it that Americans think socialists do exactly?

Which is my point. Socialism isnt communism. There seems to be a real misunderstanding of the word. And comparison to Nazi's really emphasises that.

_____________________________

Resident Lime(y) Tart
There would be no gossip without secrets
I don't want to be anything other than what I've been trying to be lately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELvfMJoKDAk

(in reply to BbwCanaDomme)

Post #: 12

RE: The S word - 2/3/2009 12:59:02 AM

Vendaval

Posts: 10297
Joined: 1/15/2005
Status: offline

I think that having a discussion about the differences between socialism and communism would be worthwhile. In many posts here the two terms seem to be confounded.

_____________________________

"Beware, the woods at night, beware the lunar light.
So in this gray haze we'll be meating again, and on that
great day, I will tease you all the same."
"WOLF MOON", OCTOBER RUST, TYPE O NEGATIVE

http://KinkMeet.co.uk

(in reply to BbwCanaDomme)

Post #: 13

RE: The S word - 2/3/2009 1:20:53 AM

ArizonaSunSwitch

Posts: 205
Joined: 11/14/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: colouredin

quote:

ORIGINAL: BbwCanaDomme

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1

I guess it might be a little like tossing the word Nazi around lightly.

What in the fuck?

What is it that Americans think socialists do exactly?

Which is my point. Socialism isnt communism. There seems to be a real misunderstanding of the word. And comparison to Nazi's really emphasises that.

Ummm....Nazi means "National Socialist". But I guess they neglected to teach you that in whatever public school you went too. They probably taught you Nazism was a product of the right and I have to guess you haven't gotten past that piece of propaganda yet either.

Most Americans think Socialism means "goodies for free". Some of us recognize it as government sponsored larceny that starts small but has also been the basis for every tyrannical mass murdering government that has existed since the settling of the Tigris-Euphrates river valley. The Nazi's were one of those notable governments but were not by a long shot the most prolific murderers, which is quite something to say after at least 8 million dead.

Socialism, communism, fascism are all leftist statist ideologies that reduce individuals to being property of the state. Their differences are minor and any state that engages in any of them has the potential to degenerate into goose stepping mass murderers. All of your superior sounding European or Candian or Whatever know-it-alls should think about that before congratulating the country with the largest most reliable nuclear arsenal on earth about it's recent turn to the left in the past election.

(in reply to colouredin)

Post #: 14

RE: The S word - 2/3/2009 1:21:05 AM

GimpinDenial

Posts: 1145
Joined: 4/20/2008
Status: offline

I honestly believe we could learn from our friends of the north....
Here's to hoping that Obama can provide a better future.....

_____________________________

Resident Gimp
I can only hope that in death, the sins of my life will be forgiven.

(in reply to Vendaval)

Post #: 15

RE: The S word - 2/3/2009 1:25:24 AM

colouredin

Posts: 4279
Joined: 2/2/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: ArizonaSunSwitch

Ummm....Nazi means "National Socialist". But I guess they neglected to teach you that in whatever public school you went too.

Yes I know what the anagram stands for HOWEVER I dont think it means what you think it does. It actually is the far right (and my state school education and degree in history taught me that)

_____________________________

Resident Lime(y) Tart
There would be no gossip without secrets
I don't want to be anything other than what I've been trying to be lately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELvfMJoKDAk

(in reply to ArizonaSunSwitch)

Post #: 16

RE: The S word - 2/3/2009 1:26:13 AM

BbwCanaDomme

Posts: 330
Joined: 5/22/2008
Status: offline

quote:

Ummm....Nazi means "National Socialist". But I guess they neglected to teach you that in whatever public school you went too. They probably taught you Nazism was a product of the right and I have to guess you haven't gotten past that piece of propaganda yet either.

Most Americans think Socialism means "goodies for free". Some of us recognize it as government sponsored larceny that starts small but has also been the basis for every tyrannical mass murdering government that has existed since the settling of the Tigris-Euphrates river valley. The Nazi's were one of those notable governments but were not by a long shot the most prolific murderers, which is quite something to say after at least 8 million dead.

Socialism, communism, fascism are all leftist statist ideologies that reduce individuals to being property of the state. Their differences are minor and any state that engages in any of them has the potential to degenerate into goose stepping mass murderers. All of your superior sounding European or Candian or Whatever know-it-alls should think about that before congratulating the country with the largest most reliable nuclear arsenal on earth about it's recent turn to the left in the past election.

Uh...what does that have to do with anything? Yeah, the Nazi party was known as the National Socialist German Workers' party, but that doesn't change the fact that they were a fascist goverment.

Fascism also does not equal socialism. I'm going to take a wild guess and say you've never lived in another country...or attended any post secondary institutions.

_____________________________

http://blogdsm.wordpress.com

(in reply to ArizonaSunSwitch)

Post #: 17

RE: The S word - 2/3/2009 1:35:03 AM

JustDarkness

Posts: 1461
Joined: 7/25/2008
Status: offline

quote:

Ummm....Nazi means "National Socialist".

some words and things did excist before WW2. (this month seem CM's WW2/Nazi month)Socialist systems are often national but often left...not right.

(in reply to BbwCanaDomme)

Post #: 18

RE: The S word - 2/3/2009 1:52:18 AM

Vendaval

Posts: 10297
Joined: 1/15/2005
Status: offline

Which wars are being discussed goes in cycles around here. Stick around long enough and you get a special patch that says,
"I survived the great CM _____War debate of 20__and Beer Party!"

quote:

ORIGINAL: JustDarkness
some words and things did excist before WW2. (this month seem CM's WW2/Nazi month

_____________________________

"Beware, the woods at night, beware the lunar light.
So in this gray haze we'll be meating again, and on that
great day, I will tease you all the same."
"WOLF MOON", OCTOBER RUST, TYPE O NEGATIVE

http://KinkMeet.co.uk

(in reply to JustDarkness)

Post #: 19

RE: The S word - 2/3/2009 1:54:36 AM

Aneirin

Posts: 6121
Joined: 3/18/2006
From: Tamaris
Status: offline

The S word, and it's seemingly asssociated C word and the past N word, words of the past, possibly indications of how things can go wrong, but does that mean they are wrong, I think not. Things have been tried in the past, some have gone well and some have gone disasterously wrong, it of course depends on a person looking in's point of view, but as we, humanity is I suppose evolving, we have our history, look at it, see the problems and learn from them. If we can't learn from our history, it is simple, we are not evolving.

I am according to the Political Compass a social libertarian, what in reality that means I have not a clue, nor really do I care, but I do have ideas of how I see things, what feels right to me, socialism is I guess in there somewhere, so to me, socialism is part of me, it is just the way I am naturally, I can accept what is natural.

_____________________________

Everything we are is the result of what we have thought, the mind is everything, what we think, we become - Guatama Buddha

Conservatism is distrust of people tempered by fear - William Gladstone

(in reply to JustDarkness)

Post #: 20

Page: [1] 2 3 4 5 next > >>

All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> The S word

Page: [1] 2 3 4 5 next > >>

Jump to:

New Messages	No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages	Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages	Locked w/o New Messages

Post New Thread

Reply to Message

Post New Poll

Submit Vote

Delete My Own Post

Delete My Own Thread

Rate Posts

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.141