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ORIGINAL: RealSub58

Ya all don't get the point.  Human beings who use deal breaker lies to get their way with no regret and no remorse are nothing but lying machines.

You have a fat ass woman.
Ya know sprog your art is horrible.
Who in God's name is gonna say this?
 
Instead~~~~  Ya know woman, your ass looks better in that cute blue dress.
Instead ~~~~ Ya know sprog your art work is creative and very fun to look at.
 
It's the perspective one puts on lying.  Lying is all tied up in one's trustworthiness, integrity and consciousness

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You have a fat ass woman.
Ya know sprog your art is horrible.
Who in God's name is gonna say this?

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist


Personally, I would rather want to know what was wrong in my relationships that a partner felt the need to lie before walking out the door and possibly throwing away something good.

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ORIGINAL: RealSub58

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

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ORIGINAL: RealSub58
How can anyone quantify lies as deal breakers or not deal breakers.One small lie that is not a deal breaker can snowball into something so huge !! Many lies that are not deal breakers says the person is a lying machine ~~  but its all good?? Nope.  This says to me, a liar tolerates a liar.

Perhaps you are as polar as this suggests.  If that works for you and yours, I say, emphatically, rock on.  The issue I am going to raise is your summarily judging (Including name-calling) others and drawing conclusions that may not be correct. 
Certainly, a constellation of small lies can build up into something massive and deal-breaking but I'd not consider it reasonable to toss a relationship over a lie over whether or not a person did the laundry.  Now, a bunch of those tied together across time would evidence a big issue, in my opinion, and likely make the relationship untennable. 
Finding out that someone is cheating would, for me, be an immediate ticket out the door and, in the words of Russell Crowe from "Gladiator", I would "unleash Hell". 
Again, what works for you and yours is fine for you and yours, but it's rather off-putting to see something to very judgmental and polar levelled against those who do not relate exactly as you do. 
Davan

wtf Davan, you said EXACTLY what I said, more words and a very different way...   So whats up with this crap??Perhaps you are as polar as this suggests.  If that works for you and yours, I say, emphatically, rock on.  The issue I am going to raise is your summarily judging (Including name-calling) others and drawing conclusions that may not be correct. This is offencive to me to say "Polar"  jeeez

Ya all don't get the point.  Human beings who use deal breaker lies to get their way with no regret and no remorse are nothing but lying machines.

You have a fat ass woman.
Ya know sprog your art is horrible.
Who in God's name is gonna say this?
 
Instead~~~~  Ya know woman, your ass looks better in that cute blue dress.
Instead ~~~~ Ya know sprog your art work is creative and very fun to look at.
 
It's the perspective one puts on lying.  Lying is all tied up in one's trustworthiness, integrity and consciousness

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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

In our case there was nothing wrong with the relationship he was lying to cover up the fact he was ducking responsibility and refusing to deal with the huge mess of things he made with his land lady.

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Personally, I would rather want to know what was wrong in my relationships that a partner felt the need to lie before walking out the door and possibly throwing away something good.

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

RealSub58----
I have read and agreed with many of your posts.  The one to which I replied seemed off-the-wall, extreme, and not really in keeping with what I recall the tone of your usual posts to be. 
I don't think we said exactly the same thing. 
What I found most distressing is the assertion that a liar tolerates a liar.    Why is it distressing and so extreme?  The conversation has been about deal breaking lies or not deal breaking lies.  If someone is gonna lie to me all the time and I cannot tell when the truth is coming out, is that not tolerating the lies?  Remember the story of the boy who cried wolf?  Is that a deal or no deal lie?   I am someone touchy about this because a dom who I belonged to couldn't tell me something without me wondering "is he lying again?"   After about 18 months I learned a no deal vs deal breaker lie.  Yes, it took me a while but I walked.  I didn't need to ask for release.   
Find me a human who says they haven't lied and I'll believe that about as much as I believe someone who says they've never masturbated.   I agree with you.  I am not saying I have NEVER told either sort of lie.  But let me tell you I DO KNOW quilt and shame from not telling the truth.
I actually agree with you that people who use non-deal breaker lies to get their way are lying machines.  I had the extreme displeasure of being in a relationsip with a male whose wife was one of those people and I found the curr extremely distasteful.  It's often a bratty manipulation, topping from the bottom, and/or not taking responsibility. 
Certainly lying as a practice is evidence of a lack of integrity but I found your ultimate conclusion of the first post flawed. 
Davan  If its flawed, I really don't care.  I have had enough manipulations and liars in my own family let alone outside my family to believe deeply what I write.   And NO I do not masturbate.  That is God's truth.  But I have a reason I do not.
Pssssst....... the reason has nothing to do with my Sir saying I can or can't.