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RE: Does age have anything to do with it? - 2/8/2009 9:14:11 PM   
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It may be said to some flames but imo someone who has made it into their 40's (or older) without having a long-term relationship likely does have some sort of substantial issues.  Granted, I come from the opposite extreme of being in a very long relationship from very young and having more years of partnership/marriage prior to separating than lots of people a decade or more my senior.  And, I'm sure I have issues, lol! 
I'd have to defy anyone, though, to find me someone 40-something or more who hasn't been in a long-term relationship that isn't fraught with issues that would make them less desirable as a partner, generally speaking. 
Davan




Well, if they're going to flame you for that, they can light me up right alongside you, because I agree. The post in question, though, isn't referring to men who may have had longterm relationships in the past - it's talking about any man from his late 40s on who's single now, any man who has "never been able to get a woman to stick around". That's an offensive and judgmental statement. I only hope the person who made it outgrows that way of thinking as they pack on a few years themselves.



If there are ensuing flames, Panda, I suggest we make s'mores!  :> 
I know the OP was more specific; I made a post earlier in the thread that was more general, then had the afterthought about significant relationships after reading a bit. 
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RE: Does age have anything to do with it? - 2/8/2009 9:36:22 PM   
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someone who has made it into their 40's (or older) without having a long-term relationship likely does have some sort of substantial issues.


Duh. It isn't that I can't understand what you mean, but I could sit here all day and draw up long lists of statements like that. Anyone who made it into their 50's and still lives in the same county has issues. Anyone who made it into their 50's and still has a ponytail has issues. Etc.

I can, of course, only speak for myself, not for anybody else. I got bored with vanilla, and enjoyed playing the field. And as I got older and wiser (one hopes ;)) and then got bought out, twice, I ended up up picky and cautious, as eight out of ten eligible (for me) women appear to be golddiggers. Some may not be, but I am not all that interested in finding out the hard way.

I am unaware of any issues I may have that preclude me from having a love relationship. Having said that, if we're spending time together provided you can find a dogsitter, or bring the critter, you've just fired yourself out of my life. I used to think that was normal, today I think it is ludicrous. I just find most of these relationships cumbersome, requiring more compromise than I am really interested in, and I have a few exes who have become close friends, that's like my comfort food.

I simply want it the way I want it, and the last woman I thudded in love with, who set my loins on a five alarm fire, was in an existing relationship, and I just did not feel like peeling her husband off her back, something that ten years earlier I absolutely would have done, G*d was she hot! At least two relationships bombed because I do not want children, never did, and I went and had a vasectomy when I was in my thirties, so I could be in control of that. You have no idea how many women feel that is a deal breaker, even if they originally said they did not care. They do weird stuff, these chicks - my main squeeze called me up while I was in Asia, told me she'd got pregnant by her boyfriend, and did I mind if she had the baby? We had an open relationship, so there weren't any issues with her having a boyfriend.

So I said I did not mind, I could not ethically tell a woman to get rid of an embryo, right, but I wanted the father's name on the birth certificate, and I would not spend a penny on the child, she'd have to sort that out with the co-creator (who was married, and loaded). She called me back a couple of days later, and told me she'd had an abortion. Eventually, the urge got too strong, we split, I helped her move back into Manhattan, and she is now married to the guy and has kids - her own, and then a couple of his earlier ones, as well (his wife by now had died, and he was no longer worried about ending up in the gossip column of the New York Post). And they're happy, and I am happy.

Did not mean to write an essay,I just do not think you can generalize in this manner. I have plenty of offers. I just have not run into anybody that really rocks my world, these past years, and I absolutely have no desire to compromise. I am attractive, I am loaded, I like my life, and I will handle it the way I have handled my career - it has to be right, my way or the highway. Accuse me of being selfish, arrogant, whatever, but "issues"? I am not aware of any - and I don't believe that man's allotted place in this world is as a monogamous partner.

Sure, I have looked at my functioning, one wants to know one is on the right track. I found there is plenty of solid scientific evidence that concludes that humans are actually not programmed for monogamy and permanent (love) relationships. Researchers at the University of Edinborough have established that women who are in a long term steady relationship will, given sexual access to other men, flush their own partner's sperm out of the vagina - something that some scientists accept as proof that nature prefers diversity. Which makes sense. Look at hunter-gatherers. K'ung women live in a family group, and do not have a single partner, but will procreate with multiple men out of their clan (not with outsiders). There is every reason to assume we are actually wired for that, and that monogamity is probably an evolutionary defensive mechanism against infectious sexually transmitted diseases. And if that is what it is, then not having a permanent relationship all the time would be proof of wisdom and maturity. It is not the same as never having a love relationship, is that maybe what you are really after?

Off the soap box.....



Hi, antipode----
I don't know you, so I can only look at what you wrote.  As I said, we all have issues but you de-contextualized my post, which also included statements about a person having traits that would make them a less-than-desirable partner.  You mentioned a number of things that could make you a good partner for a person, you also mentioned a number of things that, were I to encounter, I would be wondering at deal-breaking potential level issues including substantial emphasis on protection of finances, lack of willingness to compromise, and overall desire for a rather high level of control (That I would not necessarily attribute to power exchange dynamics).  < shrug >  I don't know you.  Those are just guesses and thoughts, again, there are positives that you mentioned too. 
I think it rather far-fetched to suggest that monogamy is an evolutionary trait developed to avoid STD's; afterall, most STD's don't kill a person nor do they, immediately at least, render an individual unable to procreate.  More likely, serial monogamy is likely the biological fare that nature makes humans most likely to gravitate toward takes into consideration time for impregnation, gestation, protection of mate and progeny until the progeny's likely to survive, then nature creates that little 'itch' that says 'spread the seed elsewhere'.  'Course, we are also the 'thinking animal', so the choice of monogamy (Or not...as, you've likely gleaned, if you're familiar with my posts, that I don't assume that monogamy's the only potentially valid way to go) is just that, a choice. 
And, sure, you can add to my assertion that if someone's made it to their 40's and not had a love relationship, I would consider them to have issues too; and place that within the context of my original post in the thread as well. 
  Davan 


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RE: Does age have anything to do with it? - 2/8/2009 10:17:59 PM   
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RE: Does age have anything to do with it? - 2/9/2009 10:09:40 AM   
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Well, the common stereotype is that the older folk are set in their ways.
Not so much pushy, per se.
I'm surprised to hear you meet so many pushy older guys.
Most guys I know seem to have mellowed with experience. Though, those guys were probably never pushy to begin with.

As far as the "If he's not taken by age 40, there's something wrong with him" sentiment goes, I'd have to disagree there.

What if you reversed the gender on that one; "If a woman isn't taken by age 40, there's something wrong with her."

Hopefully you can recognize that as a faulty proposition.


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RE: Does age have anything to do with it? - 2/9/2009 10:13:48 AM   
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Well, the common stereotype is that the older folk are set in their ways.
Not so much pushy, per se.
I'm surprised to hear you meet so many pushy older guys.
Most guys I know seem to have mellowed with experience. Though, those guys were probably never pushy to begin with.

As far as the "If he's not taken by age 40, there's something wrong with him" sentiment goes, I'd have to disagree there.

What if you reversed the gender on that one; "If a woman isn't taken by age 40, there's something wrong with her."

Hopefully you can recognize that as a faulty preposition.



I have to agree with this.  As far as age goes, sometimes we lose the partner we had for 20 years due to unforeseen circumstances we had nothing to do with. 

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RE: Does age have anything to do with it? - 2/9/2009 10:17:25 AM   
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I agree that using a person's age and single state to determine if there is something wrong with them is faulty.  There are many reasons for being alone.  Now in my case... there is something wrong with me... be afraid... be very afriad, but you can't judge everyone on one old broad.

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RE: Does age have anything to do with it? - 2/9/2009 10:24:44 AM   
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Nice try Miss Lockit..you ole softie you..smiles.Don't get mad..i smiled..LOL

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RE: Does age have anything to do with it? - 2/9/2009 10:40:40 AM   
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Nice try Miss Lockit..you ole softie you..smiles.Don't get mad..i smiled..LOL


Walks away grumbling about gag balls and smiling men.... hehe  I would never dare to call you a softie!  Grumble, grumble!

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RE: Does age have anything to do with it? - 2/9/2009 1:25:54 PM   
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Lots of stereotyping here. Racism, sexism and ageism are all equally wrong. You can’t justify an opinion based on prejudice and discrimination. I don’t get it. That seems to be where the thread is headed.

I know some Doms/subs  on here who are over 40, but seem to be perfectly level headed. On the other hand, there are Doms/subs on here under 30 who don’t have a job and live with Mama and Daddy. Mentioning some Dom over 40 who never had a long term relationship is anecdotal at best. If you know someone weird old or young, simply comment on them being weird.

As I said up the thread, intelligence and personality will trump all else. Easy to pick that up in the posts.  

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RE: Does age have anything to do with it? - 2/9/2009 1:30:01 PM   
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As I said up the thread, intelligence and personality will trump all else. Easy to pick that up in the posts.  
 I don't know. When someone has a different opinion.. which may look like age-ism/sex-ism or what ever -ism....it may not mean it is not intelligent ofcourse.It sounds like..you don't agree with me..you are stupid.Perhaps you don't mean it like this..but it can be read like this.  

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RE: Does age have anything to do with it? - 2/9/2009 1:42:24 PM   
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JustDarkness, frankly I missed your post up the thread and wasn't referring to you. I assume you are disagreeing with my premise that stereotyping those over 40 is wrong? I do believe that view is ill informed at best and lacks understanding. Attitudes of prejudice towards blacks, women, gays or people over 40 lead to discriminatory practices.

Like I said, there are many Doms on here who are over 40, myself included I like to think..heh, who do pretty well in all things. However, I should say that there are many Doms on here of all ages who do pretty well in all things without singling them out for being over 40. Hey, I don't deny there are weird people out there, but following my lesson to myself I just stated, I won't put an age parameter on weirdness.

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RE: Does age have anything to do with it? - 2/9/2009 1:46:32 PM   
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Oh ofcourse. It is just that ism-'s are so easily used to accuse people. Like in a decent conversation about differences in people...racism is thrown in before any one knows.Often not because of the person is one..but to make him look bad..or just because he has a different opinion.But indeed...it is better to judge the person..then the whole group (sex/age..race etc)...I agree with that.

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RE: Does age have anything to do with it? - 2/9/2009 1:48:47 PM   
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I won't put an age parameter on weirdness.


There goes another perfectly good cup of hot chocolate. Ask ANYONE that has worked at an retirement home or hospice, some of those people keep their sense of humor for waaaay too long. *reminded of stories that are so against the TOS, sigh*


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RE: Does age have anything to do with it? - 2/9/2009 1:54:07 PM   
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Yeah, I get that. I am libertarian enough to shun isms also. Still I do believe there are somethings inherently wrong...racism, sexism, sexual orientation discrimination and ageism. I can joke about all of them, but when I seriously start to defend any of those prejudices, I am wrong.  Someone's voiced abstraction of perfection has to consider such matters.

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RE: Does age have anything to do with it? - 2/9/2009 1:57:46 PM   
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I won't put an age parameter on weirdness.


There goes another perfectly good cup of hot chocolate. Ask ANYONE that has worked at an retirement home or hospice, some of those people keep their sense of humor for waaaay too long. *reminded of stories that are so against the TOS, sigh*



Hey, you are 36, I'm taking up for you, too.  But we can take anything to extreme and make a specious argument. Talking about old people in hospice is like talking about toddlers.

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RE: Does age have anything to do with it? - 2/9/2009 3:48:35 PM   
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I have never had an 18-30 year old approach me here on this website that didn't at least know how to lie to get what they wanted. So what's with this older generation? I realize it doesn't go for all of them (lots of fine older gentlement right here on this forum), but there are a lot who seem to have their heads stuck up their asses.

You know what? As the words of the song (almost) say:
those you meet as you grow up you might meet as you grow old....
watch out baby wrinkles and creeking bones kinda creep up on you from behind....
(and now back to sticking my head firmly up an arse)


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RE: Does age have anything to do with it? - 2/9/2009 4:17:25 PM   
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Idiots come in all ages and orientations... young idiots are just as insufferable as old ones and dominant idiots just as bad as submissive ones. To generalize anything different shows either a lack of experience or ones prejudices. Being an older (62) Dom/me couple we sometimes here peers talk about how clueless young subs or doms are today but we know lots of clueless older bdsm folk too. Wise and together people are rare and not looking for them based on something as silly as age, race or body type means you'll not even see some of the best potentially compatible people available.

just our thoughts as "old timers"

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RE: Does age have anything to do with it? - 2/9/2009 4:40:01 PM   
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Sorry for the frivolous comment. My best "excuse" is that i am under a lot of pressure and needed a good laugh. Your words struck a chord of that sort of truth that both aches and makes you joyous at the same time. Taken out of context "I won't put an age parameter on weirdness" is a GREAT sentence.

I am not big on isms as the basis for personal belief, but i do understand that other people want or need them to get by for a variety of reasons. I try to practice what i preach  and not go all ism on them either. There are better things to do with my time, like laugh at amazing turns of phrase.


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RE: Does age have anything to do with it? - 2/10/2009 4:19:38 AM   
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Ah...okay, got ya. Yep, I can see where some of that stuff could be funny. Ha

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RE: Does age have anything to do with it? - 2/10/2009 5:13:12 AM   
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