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RE: Is your submission priceless??? - 2/7/2009 9:49:20 AM

RCdc

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RE: Is your submission priceless???

No. It's not a commodity.

Ummm... priceless MEANS that it's not a commodity. Commodities have prices.

Actually, placing something as priceless is making it beyond affordability, but it's still barterable(If that is even a word) otherwise it would be worthless. Only something that is worthless would not be a commodity(as such). Commodities don't have to have a price, they just have to be worth something to someone else who is willing to give me something in return. Submission doesn't work like that to me. Relationships are pretty much give and take, but I don't believe you have to have anything to submit. I used to, but I realised that isn't true. It's like love. You don't have to be loved to love and visa versa.

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RE: Is your submission priceless??? - 2/7/2009 5:10:42 PM

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Omg. >:O

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I got bubble wrap in the mail with something today... and it doesn't pop. It's this stupid new kind where all the bubbles are linked together... so there's no satisfying my tiny sadistic little urges. Sad story!

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And as for the OP, I agree with what many have said here. Respect is earned, trust is earned and once those have been earned, my submission is a natural progression. The deeper the trust, the deeper the submission. My Domme would not have to earn my submission, but I do consider it a gift as I would consider her Dominance a gift to me. But then I feel my friends are gifts from the Universe. Every day I wake up and find I can breathe, see, walk, have a roof over my head, a job and food on the table, well I consider those gifts as well. It's just the way I look at things.

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RE: Is your submission priceless??? - 2/7/2009 8:02:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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RE: Is your submission priceless???

No. It's not a commodity.

Ummm... priceless MEANS that it's not a commodity. Commodities have prices.

Actually, placing something as priceless is making it beyond affordability, but it's still barterable(If that is even a word) otherwise it would be worthless. Only something that is worthless would not be a commodity(as such). Commodities don't have to have a price, they just have to be worth something to someone else who is willing to give me something in return. Submission doesn't work like that to me. Relationships are pretty much give and take, but I don't believe you have to have anything to submit. I used to, but I realised that isn't true. It's like love. You don't have to be loved to love and visa versa.

if priceless = beyond affordability => commodity NOT= priceless
Name a commodity that is beyond affordability. I doubt that you can.
If a commodity is worth something to someone else who is willing to give something in return, then that IS its price.

Also, the fact that something is not affordable and not barterable does NOT make it worthless. It's only worthless in TRADE. It may be the most valuable thing in the world, in fact.

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RE: Is your submission priceless??? - 2/7/2009 11:21:14 PM

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If submission isn't priceless then it must be worthless... if it isn't worthless and it isn't priceless then what is it??? to pose it as a bonus or a plus or a reward throws it altogether in a whole other field of debate.

i digress... it all depends on who you ask. we are each individuals with a multitude of perspectives, with separate visions, with different types of relationships, and different types of expectations and i don't believe that there are many without desires of some sort.

who (outside of your relationship) really cares if you are priceless to the one you serve? i do guarantee you though that there are most likely a hell of a lot of friends/family that DO care if you are considered or treated worthless by the one you are involved with.

submission isn't a bargaining chip... manipulation is not submission

for some, submission is something that comes quite naturally
for others, they have to work at it but they work at it but only because they desire to

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RE: Is your submission priceless??? - 2/8/2009 4:14:50 AM

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You are arguing just for the sake of arguing. Priceless is a price in this case. Therefore it is a commodity in the sense of this OP. You place anything on something it's done. If the op is stating that her submission is priceless, but you have to earn it shes saying that there is an ability to earn that which is priceless. It's an oxymoron in this scenario. Try and remember that sometimes, responses are based on the way an OP is posted, not in everything else.

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RE: Is your submission priceless??? - 2/8/2009 8:03:54 AM

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Relationships are give and take on both sides of the kneel, if you insist that submission is a "gift" ..then what is dominance??? without dominance there can be no submission.

if you put a conditional price tag on your submission is it truly a gift???

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RE: Is your submission priceless??? - 2/8/2009 11:42:00 AM

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submission isn't a bargaining chip... manipulation is not submission

OP, what she said.

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RE: Is your submission priceless??? - 2/8/2009 7:23:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

You are arguing just for the sake of arguing.

No, I really, truly disagree with you. Even if your statement above was correct, what you're doing is different how?

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Priceless is a price in this case. Therefore it is a commodity in the sense of this OP. You place anything on something it's done. If the op is stating that her submission is priceless, but you have to earn it shes saying that there is an ability to earn that which is priceless. It's an oxymoron in this scenario. Try and remember that sometimes, responses are based on the way an OP is posted, not in everything else.[/size]

We continue to disagree. Let's leave it at that, shall we?

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RE: Is your submission priceless??? - 2/9/2009 5:38:07 AM

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How does one go about "earning" submission. To me it is something that none of us deserve, but I am so happy when it is given to me. If I have to earn it, then I'm afraid there is nothing I could possibly do or say to be worthy of such an honor. It is a gift given out of trust, and love that can never be repaid nor does a submissive want it to be repaid. Her only desire is your happiness, and she loses herself in your desires.

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RE: Is your submission priceless??? - 2/9/2009 7:09:45 AM

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Is my submission priceless? Yes, you certainly can't buy it.

Do I make my Master work for it? No. I give it willingly, but to start with he had to work to earn my trust. I don't just trust anyone. It wasn't work per se, he had to prove over time I could trust him and I had to prove over time that he could trust me.

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RE: Is your submission priceless??? - 2/9/2009 5:47:13 PM

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My first impulse of a reply to the title was: Well, I haven't put it up for bids on Ebay, so I suppose so.
Any of the things of value in a relationship are priceless, I think (Love, honor, trust, etc.).
Davan

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RE: Is your submission priceless??? - 2/9/2009 7:29:33 PM

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I just sitting here pondering having Sir work for my submissiveness. If i did there would be no Sir or me. Now if Sir wants me to be a ho he wont have to work for that either. Odd our ancestors were hoes too if they went to bed with their husbands. They did it to serve their husbands. I am sure their husbands didnt have to earn that either. I give my heart, which is priceless because this girl don't need to be bought with sweet nothings.

I would not need to manipulate Sir to get what i needed, because that would only gather his wrath, and i would be ignored. I would not consider blasting Sir to put him in his place because he is in my heart. It would mess up my heart.

Anyways just pondering this priceless thing. Hearts of caring are totally priceless and that is where my submissiveness lies.

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RE: Is your submission priceless??? - 2/10/2009 4:10:41 AM

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I would not need to manipulate Sir to get what i needed, because that would only gather his wrath, and i would be ignored.

Is that the only reason you don't do it, because you would end up being ignored?

To me the only reason not to do it is simply because I don't want to.

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RE: Is your submission priceless??? - 2/10/2009 5:45:35 AM

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I would not need to manipulate Sir to get what i needed, because that would only gather his wrath, and i would be ignored.

Is that the only reason you don't do it, because you would end up being ignored?

To me the only reason not to do it is simply because I don't want to.

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RE: Is your submission priceless??? - 2/10/2009 7:14:34 AM

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Submission to be earned hmmm lol. I am submissive to my Master because it is who I am. I do not expect something from him to be submissive. He gives his love, respect, and trust freely. This is not a business arrangement, he brings out the real me and helps me to aspire to be the best I can be. The only part that I feel is earned is the trust. We earned each others trust. Love and respect come naturally. Im sure if I asked my Master what do I get to be submissive to you Id get the boot lol.

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RE: Is your submission priceless??? - 2/10/2009 9:42:06 AM

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I have to agree with some of the other posters; I don't make him do anything. All he had to do was be himself and then eventually I was able to move past all my reservations and realize that who he is is exactly what I wanted. Obedience to him is essentially second nature for me.

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I don't believe in the whole "Submission is a gift" thing. And I don't believe Master needs to earn my submission.

You should either submit to someone because you desire to, or don't bother. IMO.

If you are bartering your submission then in my views that's pretty much the same as prostitution.

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RE: Is your submission priceless??? - 2/10/2009 10:01:30 AM

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I give my submission to Master T without hesitation. Our relationship is NOT about HIM becoming a better Master...it is about ME becoming a better slave FOR him. I would not make him "earn" the right for me to be his slave. I am connected to him 100% and always at his will.

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RE: Is your submission priceless??? - 2/10/2009 5:51:52 PM

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I would not need to manipulate Sir to get what i needed, because that would only gather his wrath, and i would be ignored.

Is that the only reason you don't do it, because you would end up being ignored?

To me the only reason not to do it is simply because I don't want to.

No, of course not. I was just pondering on what the outcome would be if I did manipulate. I don't think about manipulating to acquire anything basically.

Thank you though for asking
oceanwynds

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RE: Is your submission priceless??? - 2/10/2009 10:00:37 PM

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if i told Sir that my submission was a gift and he had to earn it, i am not sure i would still have a Sir. why would anyone have to 'earn' anything in a 50/50 giving relationship, much less one where authority is supposedly changing hands? no thing says you give yourself over yesterday, but does someone really need to fight you for something that you will either or not?

my submission is for Sir. it grows and deepens as our relationship. it is all part and parcel. to say anything less seperates to much of myself from our entire relationship. we both put in the work for our relationship's dynamic, spiritual, mental and emotional wellbeing. there is no one side to it. i wouldnt want there to be.

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