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RE: Stimulus: "We simply made a decision, which to... - 2/7/2009 12:31:28 PM   
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According to Bush the planet has not been around nearly as long as everyone is saying.    You  know that whole evolution thing is not real, God created Adam and Eve, yada yada yada, I'm just saying....


Jeez...who do you think created Adam and Eve...Walt Disney???  I'm just saying..

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RE: Stimulus: "We simply made a decision, which to... - 2/7/2009 4:15:41 PM   
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The main problem is that the theft has already occurred. We are going to be so fucked that the light from fucked will take twelve minutes to reach us.


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

That's gotta be one of the best lines / catch phrases I've ever heard in my entire life LOL!!!!!!



And that is why Term gets to stay when we overthrow the PTB and make them live in the South Side of just about any city and live for Minimum wage and then see how they feel about their practices.

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RE: Stimulus: "We simply made a decision, which to... - 2/7/2009 10:00:03 PM   
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DarkSteven, check the news, US savings are up. I read about it just before I posted that. Unemployment etc is all up, but savings... up quite a bit. People are being way too sluggish. The loss of faith besides the housing thing is what is causing a LOT of this.

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RE: Stimulus: "We simply made a decision, which to... - 2/7/2009 10:03:09 PM   
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I've been saving like crazy. kinda nice actually.

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RE: Stimulus: "We simply made a decision, which to... - 2/7/2009 10:45:41 PM   
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Great, all the talking heads on t.v. are saying the markets will go up next week.
I don't think so. This bill won't help anyone.

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RE: Stimulus: "We simply made a decision, which to... - 2/8/2009 6:41:25 AM   
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DarkSteven, check the news, US savings are up. I read about it just before I posted that. Unemployment etc is all up, but savings... up quite a bit. People are being way too sluggish. The loss of faith besides the housing thing is what is causing a LOT of this.


hermione, I hear you.    But the savings rate is simply how much money is saved,.divided by how much is earned.  I cannot prove, but suspect that the people who have discretionary income have been saving all along, and those who have been spending money they don't have, are unable to do so due to credit issues

I get the impression that you think that the savings rate is spread out equally across economic classes, while I think that it's way higher for those at the top end and zero or negative for those at the bottom.


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RE: Stimulus: "We simply made a decision, which to... - 2/8/2009 12:53:28 PM   
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I've been away for a couple of weeks. The ice strom knocked out my power for 8 days. And I'm skipping ahead a bit here by not reading all the posts. But there is something I consider to be foundationally important that I have seen scant coverage of anywhere.

Obama has appointed Gietner as Secretary of the US Treasury. This is the same fellow with his hands in the first dispersement of TRAP, er, um, TARP bailout funds - $350 billion. You remember, all that money that was supposed to "fix" things last fall, and that we have no idea where it went.

I take this as a huge indication it is business as usual and that only a fool will continue looking for any significant changes from the current administration, or anything that looks as if they have any real clue what has happened, what is happening, and any potential solutions.

Yeah, doom and gloom. And I've never wanted to be wrong so badly in my life.

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RE: Stimulus: "We simply made a decision, which to... - 2/8/2009 9:13:23 PM   
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Please excuse this but I feel this needs to be said......

If this Pisses you off then Get as MANY PEOPLE AS YOU KNOW to call your Senator, your State Reps, Hell even the Mayor EVERY GOD DAMNED DAY and STAY ON THEIR ASSES!!!

Write a Letter each and every day or at very least once a week. Stop Pissing and Moaning about how fucked up it is and TELL YOUR COUNTRY THEY ARE SCREWING UP YOUR FUTURE.

Because at the end of the day they still have 100,000 dollar a year salaries and you're paying for it and so they should be working for you not against you.

If Every Rep got 2000 letters a week telling them if they don't work their asses off to fix this bull shit you may all come down to string their asses up maybe they might stop listening to all the Hub-Bub and start listening to the people they REALLY WORK FOR and that YOU the american People.

Steel
I called both my reps. I told them to vote no on this porkulus bill. If they want to stimulate the economy , cut payroll taxes by 50 %. kill the cap gain tax for the next 5 years. and see what happens.
but dont play 3 card montie with OUR TAX dollars.
they put me on hold and the music on hold I could have sworn was from the musical , best little whore house in texas. that song I DANCE A LITTLE SIDE STEP.

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RE: Stimulus: "We simply made a decision, which to... - 2/9/2009 2:20:29 AM   
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According to Bush the planet has not been around nearly as long as everyone is saying.    You  know that whole evolution thing is not real, God created Adam and Eve, yada yada yada, I'm just saying....


Actually, Biblically though, the Bible does support the earth being a lot older than 10,000 years old.  (There's a LONG period of time between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.  Helps to go back and read the Hebrew, makes a lot make more sense.)

But that's kinda off topic so I'll leave it at that. ;)

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RE: Stimulus: "We simply made a decision, which to... - 2/9/2009 6:29:20 AM   
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A Trillion up front and 8 more Trillion in commitments. The will kill the economy for the next generation. Hell it could be an economic 'mass extinction' taking out the viable as well as the dinosaurs.

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Only the stimulus package to be approved this week, the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program passed four months ago and $168 billion in tax cuts and rebates approved in 2008 have been voted on by lawmakers. The remaining $8 trillion in commitments are lending programs and guarantees, almost all under the authority of the Fed and the FDIC. The recipients’ names have not been disclosed.

The promises are composed of about $1 trillion in stimulus packages, around $3 trillion in lending and spending and $5.7 trillion in agreements to provide aid.

“We’ve seen money go out the back door of this government unlike any time in the history of our country,” Senator Byron Dorgan, a North Dakota Democrat, said on the Senate floor Feb. 3. “Nobody knows what went out of the Federal Reserve Board, to whom and for what purpose. How much from the FDIC? How much from TARP? When? Why?”
Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aGq2B3XeGKok 


When? Why? Indeed! Note - this is a Democrat's opinion. A beacon of hope or a cry in the wilderness, I don't know. But this pork, rewarding failures, government take-over and intervention attempt, should die. If there were any pragmatic reasoning involved it would be, but you have 'special interests' and Nancy Pelosi's attempt use the current problem to implement academic theory of social, economic, 'utopia'. A 'utopia' of course, that she's never had to live, being of the privileged 'private jet' class of citizen.

You saw the after the fact policies being implemented by this administration regarding executive compensation. Use that as an indication of how the administration will operate. They provide the stimulus today - they provide the new laws tomorrow. We may have all welcomed the income limitations for the failures of ruining the failed companies, but we will welcome the same 'next day laws' which will go into effect, perhaps already buried, in this massive piece of legislation that our elected Representatives admit to "spending only 3 seconds", and not containing the answers of "when" or "why".

There will be no middle class if this is instituted. The ability for upward mobility will be eliminated. No rhetoric to be heard today, can change the reality.

PS - What to see where some of your tax dollars are being used as stimulation?
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SAO PAULO -- General Motors plans to invest $1 billion in Brazil to avoid the kind of problems the U.S. automaker is facing in its home market, said the beleaguered car maker.
According to the president of GM Brazil-Mercosur, Jaime Ardila, the funding will come from the package of financial aid that the manufacturer will receive from the U.S. government and will be used to "complete the renovation of the line of products up to 2012."
Source: http://www.laht.com/article.asp?CategoryId=12396&ArticleId=320909 
Is the 'CHANGE!' you voted for pointed to helping the auto workers of Brazil?

Good for GM - They got their money's worth from their PAC representatives. They got their money, obviously without any conditions for US investment. You have to appreciate management who takes advantage of the stupidity of government intervention. Similarly, although I am disgusted by the process, I appreciate the Obama Administration and Congress taking advantage of the stupidity of the US electorate .

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RE: Stimulus: "We simply made a decision, which to... - 2/9/2009 7:37:58 AM   
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We're reaping the rewards of inadequately planning for the long run now. The current economic crisis is nothing more than the failure of Keynesian and mainstream policy decisions. Our entire economic practice for 80 years doesn't work. The world took the U.S. model and followed it and ... everyone is going bankrupt.

And now, now the liberals in the U.S. are telling us we have to spend money we don't have to solve a problem caused by spending money we didn't have in the first place.

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RE: Stimulus: "We simply made a decision, which to... - 2/9/2009 8:26:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hermione83

DarkSteven, check the news, US savings are up. I read about it just before I posted that. Unemployment etc is all up, but savings... up quite a bit. People are being way too sluggish. The loss of faith besides the housing thing is what is causing a LOT of this.
its the media that has caused alot of this, the housing problem from what I recall was  2 % of the mortgages written where in trouble. that means 98 % of the rest were doing ok. The media ran with the stories about ( HEARTBREAKING ) loss of homes and blah blah blah.  People started to do the pack mentality thinking and cut down on spending, this started a domino effect.

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RE: Stimulus: "We simply made a decision, which to... - 2/9/2009 9:41:34 AM   
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Universal broadband service, at least 256K up down, would be a huge economic benefit. This is the best thing they could do if they wanted to do something useful. It really doesn't have to measure in the megabits, it just needs to be universal. As it would have tons of side effects that would increase efficiency. Transport, general communication. Eventually even remote controlled vehicles,

I doubt if they kept the "Free" universal access below a Megabit for now, it would interfere with Internet providers, seeing Most of the ISP's are now starting to role out 10 plus megabit packages and some 50 plus megabits. Hell, even Charter is in Saint Louis is going to offer a 60 megabit connection.

It very well could mean the end of cellphones though, but phone service is such an mundane thing, really it should cost like a dollar a month anyway, if not just a freebie by your cable company, it really costs little in terms of data.




We need a public policy that returns television signals to the airwaves (like it used to be), and use the freed up capacity in all that underground fiber for next generation phone services and internet broadband at ten times the speed we have now. That way, our access to information has some redundancy (seperate delivery technology, so a failure in one technology doesnt completley shut off our access to all information).

The dumbest thing this country ever did was our change to delivering the TV signal via ground based wires.





Actually, TV was delivered in wires first. And that paved the way for high speed Internet to the home and forced the phone companies to develop the technologies cheaply enough for the home user.

PLENTY of bandwidth in copper or fiber. The bottlenecks are at the various MAEs or other network links or someplace upstream because of SPAM or other traffic.

Going digital increases the efficiency of the bandwidth as well. Not to mention going digital via the airwaves...frees up more spectrum for more communication capabilities.

We really don't need gigs of speed to the house, now or in the near future do we?

The problem isn't really access to the 'Net...it is really about being able to parse the overload of information out there...and making sure you get ALL the information, instead of just what Google/Wikipedia provides.



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RE: Stimulus: "We simply made a decision, which to... - 2/9/2009 1:21:04 PM   
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Maybe some of our calls, emails, and letters are being read. Support for this seems to be waning as much as the media claims to the contrary. Why bump your head on getting onto Marine One if your confident you'll have a Bill on your desk in the morning?

More rhetoric to follow, I'm sure but meanwhile, this is the public opinion of at least one 'Blue Stater'. With the party of power infighting I don't think bipartisanship has much of a chance; not with Congressman Franks saying that each and every special interest dollar in the House version being sacred.

From Shuler's office:  
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Rep. Heath Shuler (D-N.C) has further ingratiated himself with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi — not — by declaring that Pelosi and Harry Reid "failed" the bipartisanship test on stimulus.

"In order for us to get the confidence of America, it has to be done in a bipartisan way," Shuler said in Raleigh following an economic forum, according to the AP.
"We have to have everyone — Democrats and Republicans standing on the stage with the administration — saying, 'We got something done that was efficient, stimulative and timely.'"

Here's the kicker: "I truly feel that's where maybe House leadership and Senate leadership have really failed."



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RE: Stimulus: "We simply made a decision, which to... - 2/9/2009 2:17:06 PM   
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http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2009/01/30/



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RE: Stimulus: "We simply made a decision, which to... - 2/9/2009 2:25:52 PM   
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So in other words it's just a bunch of bait and switch that keeps the wealthy,...wealthy?

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RE: Stimulus: "We simply made a decision, which to... - 2/10/2009 1:01:02 PM   
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Schumer: "The American People Don't Care About Pork Projects In Stimulus"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEfICUoWKBw

Well, do you?

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RE: Stimulus: "We simply made a decision, which to... - 2/10/2009 1:32:53 PM   
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Define pork.

What`s your alternative plan to turn things around,Merc?

Specifics.

Pork is what the repubs made into an art form 2000-2006. Ted got a real going out party...almost a $billion for Alaska alone this year. Plutocracy is fun...isn't it ?

"Well some are just better than others at it." Tom Colburn, US senator R-Okl.

Republican pork

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/08/04/the_republican_pork_barrel/

http://www.robertreich.org/reich/20031224.asp

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-206644

I like this last one...some pretty tasty stuff here, shows a luxurious imagination.

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RE: Stimulus: "We simply made a decision, which to... - 2/10/2009 1:40:25 PM   
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As someone who is generally supportive of '' new deal '' type stimulus during catastrophic economic times, I won't be happy with any proposal unless it includes infrastructure creation reminiscent of the ''Tennessee Valley Authority.''

I'd like to see the creation of a high-speed, coast-to-coast Mag-Lev rail system. A project of this nature would put so many folks back to work, and benefit all sectors of the economy for years to come. And then after it was completed, we'd continue to see great benefits from increased productivity throughout the workforce.



Yeah and then it can continue to lose millions and millions a dollars a year like amtrak does and remain in business through continual taxpayer support.

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The current plan is the equivalent of a stale box of ''Milk Bone'' dog biscuits being tossed into a chain-link kennel full of mangy, undernourished dogs.


No, it's gold plated toilet paper being handed out to anyone that helped the democrats in the recent election.

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Sumpin' aint always better den nothen'



With the government, doing something is almost always worse than doing nothing.


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RE: Stimulus: "We simply made a decision, which to... - 2/10/2009 1:49:19 PM   
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How bout we start a national spending week website instead of this.. everyone's savings in this country is INCREASING and money markets, the stock market, savings account, etc interest rates continues to plummet.. so go out, buy a car, buy a house, invest some semi-risky money, go on vacay, have some dinners, tip your facialist/massage therapist/waitress well, buy some furniture, whatever, go.. stimulate the economy....! =)


I think walmart should announce they are going to close for two weeks and invite every business that agrees that this stimulus plan is crap to join them in solidarity and close their doors for the same time period. Show the government who actually creates wealth in this country and cause such incredible anger on the left that they won't be able to help telling us what they really intend for us. (Like Pelosi losing it and saying she's going to confiscate the oil companies when one of the oil company CEO's didn't bend over and grab his ankles like the rest of them during Pelosi's inquisition).


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