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Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 6:19:35 AM   
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Oh yes, their eyes are working fine. Wondeful visual accuity, but what about mental accuity ?

If I want to maintain a neighborhood in which to raise children and I only want certain influences on them that should be my right. Today this right is bought, by folks who live in those gated communities. I should be able to be particular as to who the child goes to school with and hang out with. Only the rich are allowed to do this. While I wouldn't want to shelter the child, there is a difference between exposure and influence.

Normal people cannot effectively fight the influence of the media, but then it could be removed. In a closed community children could learn survival skills, math and science etc., all the things denied them by public schools. Now don't get me wrong, I am not completely a pauper, I do make $20 an hour, but what the rich politicians do and everything is starting to get to me. When they start wars, their children should be the first to go and die.

This should be titled "Them and Us". In some cities there are regulations that policemen, firemen and other city employees must live within the city for which they work. This may apply to teachers, but it does not apply to school superintendants and other officials, why ? Not only should they be required to live in the city, they should be REQUIRED to send their own children to the school system for which they work. Wanna see Johnny read ?

Want to instill self esteem in children ? TEACH THEM SOMETHING USEFUL !. God damn, and spare me this equality shit. I didn't even say racial equality, people of the same race(s) aren't even equal. You can have two Italian-Scotch red haired green eyed girls, both lucky enough to be born with ten fingers and toes, both without deformity, both look fine, neither has any brain problems and without warning, one becomes a crackhead and a cherry girl yet the other is a scientist. What causes this phenomenon should be OF PRIME IMPORTANCE TO EVERY HUMAN BEING ON THIS PLANET. Yes, put the videogame controller down and step away from the family and you won't get hurt !

Tolerance. Poppycock ! People don't know the meaning of the word. You can't pray in schools because ity might offend someone, BULLSHIT ! Pray in the boy's room if you must. Personally I see it as a waste of time, just don't waste my time. If this keeps up the only religious book allowed in schools will be the Talmud. All religious books are a source of knowledge, it doesn't require that you fall head over heels for a certain religion, or are people really that wishy washy ?

Abortion. Abortion is murder and I am all for it. Plain and simple. But before you call me names think of this, if you want to kill your kids, perhaps we'll all be better off if you didn't have them. Sort it out with your maker. If you agree with me that abortion is murder, DON'T HAVE ONE ! Don't tell me what to do. You want to tell people not to have abortions you better start adopting kids by the truckload and have very deep pockets.

Perhaps some people would be better concerning themselves with whether what they are doing is right or wrong instead of trying to make decisions for others. God Damn. Yes, I said it. Funny, no bolt of lightning stuck me through the roof of my house.

Speaking of my house, if I smoke a joint in my house, guess what, it is none of anybody's business. If you don't like the smell of it I won't smoke it at youir house out of respect. That includes cigarettes. If in a restaurant, there should be ventilation. I would actually pay maybe 10% extra to sit in the smoking section, but ventilate it ! I have been in places where somebody could smoke a cigar right next to you and you can barely smell it. It's called ventilation. You put the ducts at floor level and the returns up top, you MOVE AIR. The smoke is wisked up so quickly that nobody hardly smells anything. This works for people with that uncanny olfactory problem that makes them wear a bottle of perfume at a time. Even non-smokers might have a hard time deciding whether to be around a smoker or one of these olfactorilly challenged scent swimmers.

Now there's another point, WTF are people thinking when they douse themselves with that crap ? They don't want to smell human ? Then you probably can't smoke around them, it bothers them. Come on ! People, news flash : YOU ARE NOT THE CENTER OF THE FUCKING UNIVERSE AND WE ARE NOT FIGMENTS OF YOUR IMAGINATION ! We can prove it with tools and/or weapons. And by the way, those other cars on the highway are just as real as yours and contain people just as real as you.

Now, colleagues, in this forum, you know these comment don't apply to you. I've found people in the kink community on average much more intelligent than the masses. But you have seen the "biomass" in action, you have seen killings over trivial garbage. You have seen what they do.

The question is: When are level headed, truly tolerant and just people going to take over this world. Think it'll happen ever ? Perhaps it's our very nature that precludes the sort of greed and maliciousness it takes to gain power in this world. If so as Men and Women of good conscience, we must do something about that. We are strong enough mentally I am sure, but should we compromise ourselves morally to get the job done ? Some will say yes, and I think I agree, something really must be done and it may already be too late. On the other hand some will say that if we compromise oure morality, that then we become part of the downward headed biomass. This may be just as true, but then what we do in sacrificing our soul or our karma, chi, whatever, future generations can enjoy the results.

Are we so "advanced" that as a species we are not linked in some way to our species ?

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 6:29:53 AM   
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and i thought i had problems with reality.

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 6:52:18 AM   
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You can't pray in schools because ity might offend someone, BULLSHIT ! [\quote]

Actually, anyone can pray in school. What the Constitution prohibits is prayer that is school mandated. This included setting time aside for private prayer since some religions don't permit random displays of worship. I'm amazed that this distinction is so misunderstood. There's a good reason for it since religions are so different that it's impossible to craft a prayer that doesn't support one over the other. After all, a number of religions don't have a god.

Admittedly some administrators have gone to far, but it's basically ignorance on their part made worse by the deceptive mouthings of the Right.

People who are confused about this should read the opinion of the court by Justice Black. It's easy to find. Look up Engle v Vitale 370 US 421 (1962)



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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 6:58:39 AM   
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I had a really nice, well thought out post that I was going to put up, until I scrolled down and seen your response Michael. You said it perfectly. I can in no way say it any better.

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 7:35:23 AM   
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You forgot to rant about foreign cars and rap/hip hop. And what about those cheese packages that are supposed to zip open but don't, so you end up cutting them open with scissors?

Here's what REALLY concerns me, though: The government has developed new forms of radiation that can pass right through my aluminum foil hat.

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 9:32:44 AM   
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Anyone who assigns blames for how their young ones turn out or young ones in general implies that they have surrendered their parental duties to another. Of course, the "other" is to blame. "It's the media!", but media comes with off/on switches.

A schools mission statement used to be to educate, now it's to babysit and teach to the lowest common denominator. You recognize this and yet you continue to send them there? Alternative? Private or parochial schooling too expensive? Then home school. Have to work, can't teach, are rationalized excuses. If they are not learning in the environment of the school you can't do worse by your own assessment.

To find out how the school system got here you need to know why/how it was established in the first place. Mandated education was not a government created idea. Those under 16 used to make up a very high percentage of the workforce. Unions were formed and they attacked that problem by suggesting that children belonged in a learning environment. Mandating schooling eliminated minors from the workforce. The public school structure was established to create the next generation of factory workers. The school bell paralleled the factory whistle.

The system "worked" then not because the schools, teachers, textbooks, or the methods were better, but because there was seamless and consistent application of discipline which sometimes included corporal punishment. If a person didn't show up for his job he was fired. Not show up to school and the truant officer came to get you and you could be expelled. Fight at the factory, fight at school - fired, expelled. Drink or drugs - gone. The shame of failure reflected on the family. You could fail. You had the freedom to fail.

Mandatory school attendance became the law. Those shouting about the possibility of freedoms being usurped by the Supreme Court should consider this "liberty" being legislated out of their lives. If you had a minor who was critical to maintenance of your farm you could go to jail if you didn't send your small worker to the school. A new industry was formed - the school "system". Now, like any bureaucratic entity, they exist and set the priorities based on self perpetuation and eating up more of the community's resources. It's amazing that to do this they point to their failures. Actually what's amazing is that they get away with it. They come to the community saying they need more money for programs that serve those failing! It's only when funding cuts are threatened that the finger is pointed to athletic programs or the band, or the chess club. We can't have failure, we can't keep anyone behind. If a person was brought up in a family of "Trekkies" who only spoke Klingon, the class would have to wait until Klingon boy could catch up. Conversely, schools can't acknowledge high achievement either; because "Worf" might feel bad because he didn't get one. After-all was it his fault he was brought up with Klingon as a first language? But if he doesn't pass it will be the schools fault; they should have anticipated and allocated every possible resource to accommodate Worf's special needs.

Failure in a public school is nearly impossible now. Administrations fear the response of parents when discipline is applied. Parents brag about "going into that school and telling that teacher that my son kicked that other kids ass because he deserved it, and maybe I should kick his ass if he picked on my son again! ha ha ha!" They hope for the day that they can get on that law suit lottery when their child was irrevocably harmed by the uncaring teacher who mocked them just because they didn't to their homework. This is the most pervasive form of abuse of minors in America today.

Anyone nuts enough to teach in this environment ends up just putting in time. The best intentioned, make a difference, person has their hands tied by reality. No child left behind means no child gets ahead. Boredom generates distraction. The goal of the school factory is to pass the product through the assembly line. The product of American schools resembles the product of the model followed to create them. The exceptions come from places where pride and personal accountability are still in place, where home and school send a consistent message. Where blame for failure is pointed inward.

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The government has developed new forms of radiation that can pass right through my aluminum foil hat.


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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 9:51:12 AM   
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LMFAO

Or you could double wrap it...extra protection

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 10:25:33 AM   
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I hate it when people blame the media and media influence for how kids behave.

I firmly believe that the media/entertainment ONLY becomes a problem when parents fail to provide a balancing influence with their children. If the parent is unwilling to provide that influence, they should also be willing to deal with keeping their kids from those influences. Seeing as that really isn't possible, given the prevelance of violence, sex and other possibly negative influences, I believe it makes it even more critical that parents are activly invovled with their kids, and keep abrest of what their kids are doing/watcing/exposed to.

My Owner and I are both reasonably well balanaced, productive adults. We both grew up playing violent video games, and watching violent movies. Our parents taught us that these things were -fantasy- and that like any fantasy it couldn't translate to reality. This applies to books as well. My parents -never- told me I couldn't read something. Rather than make it into something taboo, they let me read it if I asked for it, then talked to me about it. yes, activly sought me out and discussed the things in it that could be potentially troublesome for a young person.

We also both had parents who regulated the time we spent on these activities. i didn't have a TV at =all= in my house untill I was about 14. He wasnt' allowed to watch TV most of the time, unless he was watching with family. We -were- allowed to watch movies that were rated things that most people think kids "shouldn't" see. While TV became something of a mythic reward, since we didn't get it all that often, it was TV =itself= not what we were watching. We didn't sneak away to watch violent movies, because we were able to watch them in an enviorment that allowed us to ask questions, or get scared, and have our parents there. I think that we'd have more trouble if we'd been shown, through being forbidden them, that programs and games were "bad" as opposed to being told, and being able to learn that sometimes they just aren't very good in terms of social and artistic value.

I remember when I first heared about the Collumbine shooting, when i was in 9th or 10th grade. The FIRST thing the radio commentator said was that the students "listened to Marylin Manson." I remember getting so angry, because rather than ask what these kids parents had been doing, and what conversations they'd been failing to have, they pawed responsiblity on an entertainer.

I guess I put a lot of responsiblity on parents, but I think that's something that they take on when they have kids. It's something that I'll take on. My parents were -far- from perfect, and they messed me up plenty, but one thing I admire was their attitude toward the media and what I viewed and read. I feel that giving kids access to information is a wonderful thing, and that as long as parents stay invovled and make themselves available, and teach their kids to differentiate between fantasy and reality, the more informed a child is (even if that information is how to jack a car in a video game) the child will be a more productive person.

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 12:48:43 PM   
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I guess I put a lot of responsiblity on parents, but I think that's something that they take on when they have kids.


This is one of My passions, parents who dump the responsibility of their children elsewhere OR who put their desires and needs always before intelligent parenting. I did restrict My child from aspects of tv and books by stages until she was old enough emotionally to assimilate the meaning, then we moved to the next level and so on. When I was a child we didn't worry about TV, everyone had twin beds and life was always rosey--but as TV developed, even the family channels had Viagra commercials--I did not want My child learning about those things until I was ready--in place she got good movies, great music, good literature---age appopriate. She gained privileges as she gained responsibility--I home school her--is she shelteted--hardly-- is she aware? IO many things--yes---"you screw--you lose'--"you take a drink from someone, you can lose"--"you take a cigarette or a pill from someone--you lose"--she has seen too many of her friends make those stupid mistakes--many-- the only one they will ever make----but is she wise? Damn straight--she can argue the oil crisis with the best of them--she also does chores for allowance, knows how to develop and maintain a vegetable garden, can cook from scratch---My point is I took the responsibility--it was Mine and I embraced it, fighting against odds at times, but so far, so good--

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Abortion. Abortion is murder and I am all for it. Plain and simple. But before you call me names think of this, if you want to kill your kids, perhaps we'll all be better off if you didn't have them.


IMHO, Abortion is a private decision--BUT I am all for saying NO--for not thinking with one's hormones--No is the simplest word in any language--NO--then there becomes no need for making a private decision.

And speaking of no, that word is totally free--no one has to buy it, no one has to take out a loan, get it in an inheritance, or be on the A list, it is a word available to all races, all income levels, all gender, sexual orientation, origins--it is a word found in ALL languages--there is no reason it can't be used--No you cannot, No you won't, No I won't No I don't
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Speaking of my house, if I smoke a joint in my house, guess what, it is none of anybody's business. If you don't like the smell of it I won't smoke it at youir house out of respect.


I would agree with this statement, what I take issue with is once someone gets behind the wheel of a vehicle, it then becomes everyone's business--the majority of people are not mature enough to stay put.

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This works for people with that uncanny olfactory problem that makes them wear a bottle of perfume at a time. Even non-smokers might have a hard time deciding whether to be around a smoker or one of these olfactorilly challenged scent swimmers.


OMG I am on the floor! That is hysterical! I am in total agreement--when the cologne is so strong that it announces over the loud speaker "hey she/he is in the building"--and continues to gossip about it when they are gone-- I want to scream--YOU STINK! WTH are you thinking, get your money back!

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The question is: When are level headed, truly tolerant and just people going to take over this world. Think it'll happen ever ? Perhaps it's our very nature that precludes the sort of greed and maliciousness it takes to gain power in this world. If so as Men and Women of good conscience, we must do something about that. We are strong enough mentally I am sure, but should we compromise ourselves morally to get the job done ? Some will say yes, and I think I agree, something really must be done and it may already be too late. On the other hand some will say that if we compromise oure morality, that then we become part of the downward headed biomass. This may be just as true, but then what we do in sacrificing our soul or our karma, chi, whatever, future generations can enjoy the results.

Are we so "advanced" that as a species we are not linked in some way to our species ?


So eloquently stated, but I fear for many it has become easier to take the high road then face the conflict on the main road--I have done and will do all I can for My family, to teach, guide, educate to make informed decisions, but that is only now, what wakes Me at 4 AM is what will happen when I am gone?


Thank you for a thought provoking rant that has stimulated more excellent conversations at home!



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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 1:12:23 PM   
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I had a really nice, well thought out post that I was going to put up, until I scrolled down and seen your response Michael. You said it perfectly. I can in no way say it any better.


i started to say more, but people have alread had enough of me and my comments...so i refrained...this time...LOL

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 1:15:00 PM   
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Anyone who assigns blames for how their young ones turn out or young ones in general implies that they have surrendered their parental duties to another. Of course, the "other" is to blame. "It's the media!", but media comes with off/on switches.


who did they blame before the various medias such as TV, radio and movies?

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 1:33:15 PM   
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I hate it when people blame the media and media influence for how kids behave.

The "media" is too big to blame. I just blame MTV and especially Ozzie Osborne.

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 1:42:12 PM   
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You forgot to rant about foreign cars and rap/hip hop. And what about those cheese packages that are supposed to zip open but don't, so you end up cutting them open with scissors?
Bob, that would be too obvious, come on now! Every one has to keep a little mistery to himself.
*Big Yawn* That rant was about as interesting as why do I have to pay for dinner if we're both eating threads? M

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 3:15:33 PM   
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Well thanks all.

The one who deems me to have a problem with reality is absolutely right. I don't have a problem grasping it or seeing it, it's that I don't like it.

Who did they blame before the media if the kids turned out bad ? Hanging out with those damn Gable boys across the crick. I know people with kids both good and bad. The Parents of the bad ones will not hear this from me, but it is their fault. The media IS indeed a terrible influence but the home environment must be a stronger influence, and in today's day and age it must be said : a positive influence.

People's attitudes show up everywhere, racing you on the highway, cutting in front in line at the store etc., are commonplace behaviour now from supposed adults, behaviour that I would not even tolerate in a child in any type of care or custody of mine. Come on, they'll risk thousands in damages and possible inury to themselves and others to save fivew seconds of their precious time.

As much as I am a Constitutionalist and knoiw the gov has no business making most of the crap they call laws, I might be disposewd to agree with one; no talking on the cellphone while driving. Not because of the safety issue. If someone can drive, I mean pays attention to their driving sure they can talk on the phone, they can even have a few beers within reason and drive and be fine. The cellphone ban would however get them to SHUT UP ! WTF can you find to talk about so much ?

I mean it, I saw a billboard that advertised "the teen plan" for cellphones. It's 43,000 minutes per month. There are only 43,200 minutes in a month so I assume they need some time to charge the battery.

Peer pressure is to blame I guess. After all when they can't read or speak properly or figure out mathematics the self esteem enbued upon them by the "school" is false, therefore they are engaged in a popularity contest. OK, many years ago I was at a party and they were passing around the crank. When it came to me I said, well, maybe I'll snort some to check it out. The response was no, that is a waste you gotta run it. Well I don't stick needles in my arms so I was the straight one. More for them.

I think the difference is that some of us were raised by ADULTS.

OK I do have a problem with reality, but I am alright. Reality isn't right. The big problem is that there must be a solution to this, preferably one that doesn't involve killing off 80% of the people. Only a republican would think like that. Actually not a republican, a neo-conservative, and these people make Stalin, Gengis Kahn etc look like librarians and they have an arsenal of technology that is awesome. What's more if we find a solution and start helping the sheeple and lemmings in society to understand what's going on the neo-cons are not likely to cast favor on it.

And to the respondant who pointed out that the school system throws their own failure in our face and gets rewarded for it, I cannot agree more. This farce has been going on long enough.

OK, fancy this; We set up neighborhood schools. One guy down the block knows just about everything about history, I know science and mathemetics. Then across the street is a pretty accomplished musician, although has not gotten his claim to fame as of yet. There is a carpenter, a machinist and the old guy who lived through the depression by raising rabbis for food. (I actually saw him as he was throwing out the rabbit cages this year, talk about a pacrat, but what's wrong with that ?).

The whole neighborhood takes their kids out of public school and we begin. The kids do great on the proficiency test just as home schooled kids do. But this is not home school, this is a school and according to them must meet all kinds of stupid requirements. Gender specific lavatories and locker rooms, yes, forgot to mention the gymnasium. Are they kidding ? Look out my window, if you see kids outside they are moving constantly, they have stand alone basketball hoops in the street ! Right in the street.

If we as a group decided to home school each child would have to be at home. This means each presentation or whatever has to be given over and over, going through the neighborhood. If any kid leaves the house to go to "school" this place must be devoid of any religious content, even though it is another's home.

I am not here to be a gloomy Gus, but when one starts going through the promulations of possible solutions, one finds that the government has erected so many obstacles to any viable solutions that it becomes near impossible. Remember I said NEAR impossible. Problem is, that it is imperative. If we don't solve these problems it will be a very shitty world for all of today's children, even those who deserve a better life. Even those who try and succeed will be bogged down supporting the 12 year olds on Jerry Springer who want to have a baby.

Welfare is actually a moot point. Welfare doesn't really affect the economy directly, it is only a few scant percent of the budget. The problem is that it perpetuates a lifestyle spanning generations. When this happens it will inevitably become a significant DIRECT problem for the budgewt, as less people pay and more people take. The big problem is corporate welfare, where billions are awarded in no-bid contracts, and to the point of education, when they give a golden parachute to a school administrator they fired. That million dollars (for example) could pay 100 people $1,000 per month for ten months. Instead some nincompoop or nasty bastard can pick up another ivory back scratcher and a Mercedes for his mistress. Maybe even go to Vegas. Need not worry about losing all his money, he is "connected", it is who he knows not what he knows so he will get another job.

He will likely get another job that screams for competence, something important, yet his competence is totally irrelevant ! You can bet most or all of the good things done by whatever organization he runs will be done by the people under him, making somewhere between 1/10th and 1/20th of what he makes.

This is our world, a world where success is not only not rewarded, but is sometimes punished. Read about Randy Weaver and Ernst Zundel. Get past the smokescreen of the Waco incident and see, to do what needs to be done means to be a seperatist. Not a racist, not a bigot, not a religious fanatic, but if you try it you will be called all of these things, villified in the media as the tanks crush your home.

Let me put it this way, the Branch Davidians were religious fanatics. I would not want them raising my kids by any means. All of the end of the world crap is just that, crap. You cannot prepare for the end of the world, nor even your own corporeal life, so forget it ! We are here to live, and I, for one, am tired of existing. Well, they weren't and they didn't hurt anybody.

Unfortunately one can only exist in a world where they are surrounded by idiots, thieves and all kinds of (_|_)holes. Forums such as this are a breath of fresh air to a suffocating mind. People seem to have brains, and valid opinions here.

So the question still remains, what do we do ? A good start is to realize all this when around kids of the appropriate age(s). Tell them the truth, tell them truths that encourage them to value the truth. Just by talking, unless they're dense we can instill a sense of cause and effect in their mind, and this breaks no laws of Man, whether written or not.

For now this is probably the only forward progress we can make, but it is very important forward progress, and indeed where it will all start. Think of a child upon who you had some influence becoming President and recinding loads of Executive Orders, bringing our troops home and refusing to sign unconstitutional bills. Bringing the budget into check doing what he is supposed to do ! This is a very lofty goal, but something like this is achieved piece by piece, or peace by peace.

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 3:37:10 PM   
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The one who deems me to have a problem with reality is absolutely right. I don't have a problem grasping it or seeing it, it's that I don't like
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i was saying the opposite, that you don't have a grasp of reality

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 3:40:35 PM   
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i've seen and heard the nonsense "WWJD"

my answer to that would be...he would probably take one look arond, throw up his hands in resignation and go back to heaven alone.

just my opinion

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 4:28:53 PM   
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i was saying the opposite, that you don't have a grasp of reality


Really. I would have to reflect that comment with the utmost fidelity. What exactly are you saying, that everything is fine ? If, indeed you're view of reality is clearer than mine, please state why. Is it the Bible or something or what ?

T.

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 7:00:14 PM   
samwise213


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I cannot change the world. I can only change myself.

Or there's "The Serenity Prayer"
Grant me the serentity to accept the things I cannot change
Courage to change the things I can
and Wisdom to know the difference.

I think if you talk to any small group of people, such as these forums, they would all agree that there is a problem.

The problem with a solution is that there are as many opinions for the best solution as there are people, and probably half of them directly contradict each other.

There's a scene in West Wing, where someone asks an economic adviser where the DOW will be in a year. He says "Up 1,000"

Another says "Down 1,000"

The person asking them says "In one year, at least one of you will look like an idiot."

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 7:14:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesertRat

And what about those cheese packages that are supposed to zip open but don't, so you end up cutting them open with scissors?

Aw man I hate that. I thought it was just my inability to follow the "instructions for opening". I always cut it so that it's impossible to use the re-seal option too.


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I want the scissors to be sharp
And the table perfectly level
When you cut me out of my life
And paste me in that book you always carry.
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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 7:17:59 PM   
justheather


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

quote:

i was saying the opposite, that you don't have a grasp of reality


Really. I would have to reflect that comment with the utmost fidelity. What exactly are you saying, that everything is fine ?


Are those the only two options?

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And the table perfectly level
When you cut me out of my life
And paste me in that book you always carry.
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