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Obama's first broken Promise - 2/7/2009 6:57:37 PM

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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18441.html

Obama breaks five-day pledge showInitialOdiogoReadNowFrame (_politico_odiogo_feed_ids, '0', 290, 0); By CARRIE BUDOFF BROWN | 2/5/09 6:21 AM EST
President Barack Obama kept one campaign pledge Wednesday afternoon and at the same time violated another when he signed into law the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, which extends health care coverage to 11 million low-income children.

The White House views the SCHIP legislation as a down payment on Obama’s pledge to provide universal health care by the end of his first term. The bill ran into some partisan resistance because it allows states for the first time to use federal money to cover children and pregnant women who are legal immigrants.

But Obama’s 5 p.m. signing came barely three hours after the House approved the bill, breaching Obama’s promise to have a five-day period of “sunlight before signing,” as he detailed on the campaign trail and on his website.

“Too often bills are rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them,” the Obama-Biden campaign website states. “As president, Obama will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.”

Barack Obama Campaign Promise No. 234:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/234/allow-five-days-of-public-comment-before-signing-b/

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RE: Obama's first broken Promise - 2/7/2009 7:00:31 PM

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Okay,given the obvious humor in the OP,how long till this is moved to "Polls and Random Stupidity".

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RE: Obama's first broken Promise - 2/7/2009 7:17:05 PM

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Um, the S-Chip revival has been on the table since the election. This is NOT new legislation. The program itself has been operating successfully since the Clinton administration. Only Bush killed it like a 1980's slasher gutting a teenager who's had sex in reel two. He never gave a rationale for doing so, either. (I guess it didn't kill enough people, or violate enough American civil rights for his tastes.)

Let's hope, if you actually consider this a "broken promise" (if this OP wasn't being sarcastic)...that we will all suffer many, many similar "betrayals of trust" in the future.

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RE: Obama's first broken Promise - 2/7/2009 7:20:31 PM

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OMG he also didnt let the equal pay bill sit for five days either, ...IMPEACH HIM IMPEACH HIM. He has done such a heinous thing, for the children...the utter lying Bastard....(removes tongue from cheek)
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RE: Obama's first broken Promise - 2/7/2009 8:21:59 PM

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Do you think most Americans would support this if they knew?

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=42026

The bill also allows for immigrants, both legal and illegal, to access SCHIP funds, although illegal immigrants may only do so for 90 days.

The bill removes previous requirements, currently required under Medicaid, that mandate new enrollees provide photo identification and documentation proving citizenship, such as a green card or passport, when applying for SCHIP.

The new language strips this proposal and says that states can accept Social Security numbers as proof of citizenship, and that they must provide health coverage while those numbers are being verified. If a number cannot be verified, states must drop coverage after 90 days.

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RE: Obama's first broken Promise - 2/7/2009 8:31:34 PM

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Do you think most Americans would support this if they knew?

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=42026

The bill also allows for immigrants, both legal and illegal, to access SCHIP funds, although illegal immigrants may only do so for 90 days.

The bill removes previous requirements, currently required under Medicaid, that mandate new enrollees provide photo identification and documentation proving citizenship, such as a green card or passport, when applying for SCHIP.

The new language strips this proposal and says that states can accept Social Security numbers as proof of citizenship, and that they must provide health coverage while those numbers are being verified. If a number cannot be verified, states must drop coverage after 90 days.

Oh no! People will get healthcare regardless of where they were born! How terrible.

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RE: Obama's first broken Promise - 2/7/2009 8:35:56 PM

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The program itself has been operating successfully since the Clinton administration. Only Bush killed it like a 1980's slasher gutting a teenager who's had sex in reel two. He never gave a rationale for doing so, either. (I guess it didn't kill enough people, or violate enough American civil rights for his tastes.)

I am not Bush fan but above statement is totally incorrect (perhaps propaganda). Republicans opposed only the program extension and Bush vetoed it. War, bad economics etc., lack of funds in general and Republican defective brains that did not understand the need for including middle income families, adults and illegal immigrants in the program were the motives. Obama will fix the economy, end war, tax the rich and his government can afford it.

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RE: Obama's first broken Promise - 2/7/2009 9:00:45 PM

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Yes I agree :)

Their homeland should be made to pay the bill ;)

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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

Do you think most Americans would support this if they knew?

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=42026

The bill also allows for immigrants, both legal and illegal, to access SCHIP funds, although illegal immigrants may only do so for 90 days.

The bill removes previous requirements, currently required under Medicaid, that mandate new enrollees provide photo identification and documentation proving citizenship, such as a green card or passport, when applying for SCHIP.

The new language strips this proposal and says that states can accept Social Security numbers as proof of citizenship, and that they must provide health coverage while those numbers are being verified. If a number cannot be verified, states must drop coverage after 90 days.

Oh no! People will get healthcare regardless of where they were born! How terrible.

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RE: Obama's first broken Promise - 2/7/2009 9:18:50 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BbwCanaDomme

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

Do you think most Americans would support this if they knew?

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=42026

The bill also allows for immigrants, both legal and illegal, to access SCHIP funds, although illegal immigrants may only do so for 90 days.

The bill removes previous requirements, currently required under Medicaid, that mandate new enrollees provide photo identification and documentation proving citizenship, such as a green card or passport, when applying for SCHIP.

The new language strips this proposal and says that states can accept Social Security numbers as proof of citizenship, and that they must provide health coverage while those numbers are being verified. If a number cannot be verified, states must drop coverage after 90 days.

Oh no! People will get healthcare regardless of where they were born! How terrible.

Just a minor correction might be considered for your post. The Bill does not penalize people based on country of origin since many in the United States are here "legally" from other countries have visas or have become citizens.. What this Bill does is open up the doors to children of the as many as 20,000,000 illegals in our country and puts the burden for their healthcare on the already straining American taxpayer. Who do you think pays for this..Pelosi? Add in this "Spending Bill" now before Congress with all of its welfare payments and the tax bill for all of us will be going up over the next few years,no doubt about it.
As an aside...guess who is going to pay for this program supposedly to help poor children...their poor parents who smoke. Contrary to his campaign promise not to raise taxes on the poor the $30 billion plus SChip program is being funded by as much as a $1.00 increase in tobacco taxes. Maybe $0.60 or $1.00 increase in a pack of cigarettes might not be too bothersome to one of those bankers limited to $500,000 income...but that working guy who makes $25-$50,000 a year sure as hell will feel it, albeit I'm sure will feel even more patriotic paying this tax per the command of the Vice-President.
It seems to me we have turned over control of our lives to 536 people who either don't have a clue as to the risks we are facing these days or welcome the turmoil as an "opportunity" to "change" America into their dream socialist state.

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RE: Obama's first broken Promise - 2/7/2009 9:23:04 PM

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quote:

Just a minor correction might be considered for your post. The Bill does not penalize people based on country of origin since many in the United States are here "legally" from other countries have visas or have become citizens.. What this Bill does is open up the doors to children of the as many as 20,000,000 illegals in our country and puts the burden for their healthcare on the already straining American taxpayer. Who do you think pays for this..Pelosi? Add in this "Spending Bill" now before Congress with all of its welfare payments and the tax bill for all of us will be going up over the next few years,no doubt about it.
As an aside...guess who is going to pay for this program supposedly to help poor children...their poor parents who smoke. Contrary to his campaign promise not to raise taxes on the poor the $30 billion plus SChip program is being funded by as much as a $1.00 increase in tobacco taxes. Maybe $0.60 or $1.00 increase in a pack of cigarettes might not be too bothersome to one of those bankers limited to $500,000 income...but that working guy who makes $25-$50,000 a year sure as hell will feel it, albeit I'm sure will feel even more patriotic paying this tax per the command of the Vice-President.
It seems to me we have turned over control of our lives to 536 people who either don't have a clue as to the risks we are facing these days or welcome the turmoil as an "opportunity" to "change" America into their dream socialist state.

So, you think that kids should be denied healthcare access because their parents chose to immigrate to another country?

Now I know how to interpret every post you make from now on. Thanks for that.

Edited to add- Also, if you have an issue with increasing tabacco tax to pay for healthcare, no one is asking you to smoke :)

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RE: Obama's first broken Promise - 2/7/2009 9:30:04 PM

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Everyone (in almost every political debate I've encountered) always says 'SOCIALISM'S BAD! AT LEAST WE'RE NOT SOCIALISTS! OMG EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH US IS A SOCIALIST, AND SOCIALISM'S BAD!' in an infinite loop.

Um, socialism isn't necessarily bad. Just like capitalism isn't necessarily bad.

Either taken to an extreme? Sure.

Believing that either is something to avoid at all costs? Silly.

Socialist capitalism is my ideal... you know, a capitalistic society that creates and protects a... well, society. Everyone is entitled to free health-care. The idea that not everyone should be is so very foreign to me. I just don't understand why someone *wouldn't* think it was worth paying taxes (on a scaling system so that no families are horrifically affected) to do.

To me, it's more important than having a standing military.

Different priorities, I suppose.

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RE: Obama's first broken Promise - 2/7/2009 9:34:16 PM

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Your wrong, I argue for socialism =0.

Yeah, protecting children, just terrible, wtf. I don't even really like kids, but I'd save them.. you're actually going to advertise that you're completely evil? Good luck with that.

I think cigarettes and tanning beds should be illegal. If not then they should have like a 25$ tax per cig / lay in bed .. etc. =)

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RE: Obama's first broken Promise - 2/7/2009 9:37:05 PM

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Haha, I meant more along the lines of anyone arguing against social reforms and policies.

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RE: Obama's first broken Promise - 2/7/2009 9:38:39 PM

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Wow sensitive subject and as a single mom of 7, i understand the issue with letting every immigrant legal or not have free access to medical.. thats not to say their children should go with out, but when the americans who live here, are citizens here and have a right to those programs are denied because an illegal alien has taken their place, thats when it becomes wrong.. The top salary an adult in my state can make and still recieve medical is 512 dollars.. wow, and now add on top of that the 20,000,000 estimated added to teh system, and who do you think will come out on the short end? the people from this country, whether born here or not, who have made the effort to at least be here legally..

i live in a town that is predominantly migrant, and most are illegal.. getting dental care is a joke, and you have to sit from 645 in the morning and still not get seen that day, even if you have a severe problem.. but the migrant workers have appts and do not want for anything, no questions asked..

my problem is not with them, but with how our country puts them ahead of their own citizens and gives them hand outs and doesnt even ask them to try to learn the language here.. have you seen the dshs application, there are over a dozen different languages on there translated for every different culture..

Just my not so humble opinion

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RE: Obama's first broken Promise - 2/7/2009 9:41:48 PM

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technically there's no official language of the US, just a 'most used' language...

If Spanish goes above that 50% mark, we're considered a Spanish-speaking country :P

It's silly, but I really wouldn't *want* a declared (as in, in the constitution) language, anyways.

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RE: Obama's first broken Promise - 2/7/2009 9:46:01 PM

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my problem is not with them, but with how our country puts them ahead of their own citizens and gives them hand outs and doesnt even ask them to try to learn the language here.. have you seen the dshs application, there are over a dozen different languages on there translated for every different culture..

Just my not so humble opinion

To be honest, I don't understand why Spanish class isn't mandatory in the US. Every mexican person I've ever met, up here and in the states has known at least very basic English. All of my friends from Mexico had to take English class in high school. I've met maybe 5 Americans that could do the same in Spanish, or French, or any other language. I don't understand why providing services in other languages is such a huge issue to Americans, people and countries should be encouraged to be multi-lingual.

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RE: Obama's first broken Promise - 2/7/2009 9:48:58 PM

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Fast Reply -

Other considerations about health care for migrant works of any age are-

Who is planting, harvesting, processing and preparing our food supply?
Come on now, you all know the answer.

What would happen if these workers and their families had no health care access at all and a pandemic broke out in this population while in the U.S.?

Say something like the MDR Multi-Drug-Resistant strain of TB, dengue, malaria, Hepatitis A-E, scarlet fever, leprosy, tape worms, lice, schistosomiasis, Guinea worm infection, whooping cough, cycsticercosis, morgellon's.

Wouldn't you prefer that they have access to sanitation and basic health care?

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RE: Obama's first broken Promise - 2/7/2009 9:57:46 PM

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Um, socialism isn't necessarily bad. Just like capitalism isn't necessarily bad.

Either taken to an extreme? Sure.

Believing that either is something to avoid at all costs? Silly.

Thank you for saying that. What with all the GOP rhetoric flying around bemoaning anything that looks even close to socialism, the fact that either system (socialism or capitalism) taken to an extreme is dangerous tends to be tucked under the carpet. As with success in most things, it is a matter of balance.

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RE: Obama's first broken Promise - 2/7/2009 9:59:54 PM

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I share the laundry facilities and clothes line with the other neighbors on the property and we all split the bill for the city's water. Isn't that a basic form of socialism?

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RE: Obama's first broken Promise - 2/7/2009 10:01:22 PM

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to the OP

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