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4u2spoil -> RE: A gift! is it thus or not? (2/8/2009 4:10:47 PM)

Can I come? This fallout shelter party seems like fun. I'll bring the dominant phallic bananas

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ORIGINAL: catize

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ORIGINAL: aravain

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

I'm headin' down to the fallout shelter....[8|]


Keep the door open, I'm on my way!

Wait for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 




Lynnxz -> RE: A gift! is it thus or not? (2/8/2009 4:15:51 PM)

Sweet! I'll bring the submissive .. gina...ish donuts. 




mistoferin -> RE: A gift! is it thus or not? (2/8/2009 4:18:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: oceanwynds

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Weird. Whenever someone posts one of these "gift" threads I always get a whiff of unicorn poop. Am I the only one?


I never understood submissivenss is a gift rationale.

I am taking my unicorn with me, sorry for the smelly mess.


I don't get it either. Then to complicate things even further people will sometimes add other stuff in. For example, the other day I was stumbling around on these boards and saw someone say that it was not only a gift, but a gift that has to be earned! Whew....glad my folks never made me earn my Christmas presents!!!




T1981 -> RE: A gift! is it thus or not? (2/8/2009 4:19:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

Sweet! I'll bring the submissive .. gina...ish donuts. 


Do they come with sprinkles?




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: A gift! is it thus or not? (2/8/2009 4:20:00 PM)

~FR~
 
I blogged about this topic a couple of months ago.  Here's my take on it:
 
Submission is not a gift. 
 
From my observation, there are two dominant (pardon the pun) schools of thought regarding the significance of submission.  The first is comprised of those who believe submission is a gift and should be treasured for the mere fact of its existence.  The second is made up of those who feel submission is owed to the dominant by the mere fact of his/her dominance. 
 
As one of the rarest of rare birds when it comes to how I view the world, I fall into neither camp.  I can say with conviction that I do not believe I am owed anything by anyone.  Certainly not by a submissive person with whom I've not so much as exchanged email.  When I walk into a room, I don't expect the subs to fall to their knees and make obeisance to me as I sweep past.  That's just silly. 
 
However, I also don't accept that submission is a gift.  I've noticed a lot of submissive women wield the romantic, if misguided, notion of their submission as a holy grail, which they will only bestow upon the most worthy of dominants after said dominant has slain the dragon of the submissive's emotional baggage. 
 
Let's be realistic, shall we? 
 
A gift is something given without expectation of receiving anything in return.  This does not describe submission in the context of a BDSM relationship.  In truth, the submissive has very high expectations.  She expects to be treated as well (or as poorly) as needed to fulfill her fantasies.  She expects to be bound, beaten, and buggered.  Or she expects to be grabbed by the hair and forced to her knees where she will scrub floors naked, her ankles chained, until it's time to serve her master his pre-dinner cocktail.  Or she expects to be cuddled, coddled, and treated like Daddy's baby girl. 
 
At the end of the day, she expects to be cared for, to be valued (if simultaneously degraded and humilated), and to have her physical and emotional needs met by the dominant she has chosen.  I believe it is safe to say she does not submit without a single, fleeting thought for her own needs and desires.  She expects something in return for her service.  Therefore, her submission is not a gift. 
 
If you expect to get something of value from your submission -- to have your fantasies fulfilled, to achieve sexual gratification, to establish an emotional connection of any sort with a dominant --  neither is yours.  Don't delude yourself into thinking otherwise.  I view the Mistress/slave dynamic as a partnership.  We both give and we both receive something of value. 
 
Submission is not a gift -- it is one half of a symbiotic relationship.




aravain -> RE: A gift! is it thus or not? (2/8/2009 4:20:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
Whew....glad my folks never made me earn my Christmas presents!!!


Mine did [>:] made me get them over a series of 8 days, sometimes none of the Christmas... and they were giftcards for fast food and school supplies!

What? [&:] Oh, that was Channukah? [&o] I guess that makes more sense, then.




Lynnxz -> RE: A gift! is it thus or not? (2/8/2009 4:30:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: T1981

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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

Sweet! I'll bring the submissive .. gina...ish donuts. 


Do they come with sprinkles?



Not if you wax.

I give him gifts of car parts, custom pinstripe jobs, and once, a kittah named Betty Page. Me submitting is just something that happens because I'm with him.




T1981 -> RE: A gift! is it thus or not? (2/8/2009 4:31:51 PM)

[sm=biggrin.gif]

I just got the joke! *facepalm*




dreamerdreaming -> RE: A gift! is it thus or not? (2/8/2009 4:40:47 PM)

CelticPrince, how did you miss yesterday's thread?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_2442785/mpage_2/key_/tm.htm#2443554

My slave's submission is not a gift.

He is the gift.
 

Submit is what he does for me.




CelticPrince -> RE: A gift! is it thus or not? (2/8/2009 5:10:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

O lord. Did you miss the flame fest last night? [:D]  There were dominant phallic bananas and everything. 


Lynnxz,

phallic nanners huh! I do regret missing that.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: A gift! is it thus or not? (2/8/2009 5:12:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

We live in the real world. We both give and take from each other. We have expectations of each other that color our interactions, whether we care to admit it or not. It's not "inspired" either because...well...that real world thing again and all that shit. Some days neither one of us are very fucking inspired...or inspiring. We just are and we just do whatever works.


mist,

Shall I put that down as a NO?

CP




mistoferin -> RE: A gift! is it thus or not? (2/8/2009 5:17:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

We live in the real world. We both give and take from each other. We have expectations of each other that color our interactions, whether we care to admit it or not. It's not "inspired" either because...well...that real world thing again and all that shit. Some days neither one of us are very fucking inspired...or inspiring. We just are and we just do whatever works.


mist,

Shall I put that down as a NO?

CP


Yes!




CelticPrince -> RE: A gift! is it thus or not? (2/8/2009 5:17:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveluci

"Submission" is no more a gift than anything anyone else gives in any relationship.  My parents were very happily married for nearly 33 years when my father died.  Their relationship with each other was as much a "gift" to each other and me and my siblings as any I've ever seen.  She was very much submissive to him but they didn't slap a kinky name on it and use whips and chains.  Someone who does (or who simply calls themselves a "submissive" or "slave") is not offering anything more special than I saw her give him my entire life.  What makes BDSM submissive types think what they're giving someone is some special "gift?"  Puhleez, it's nothing vanilla folks aren't giving each other all over the world everyday.  Get over yourselves you "gift givers."[8|].................luci


luci,

thanks for your input, now duck for your own safety!  grins!

CP




Knite064 -> RE: A gift! is it thus or not? (2/8/2009 5:18:10 PM)

I really do wonder if this "im a gift" that keeps popping up on forums is down to the old castlerealm site.(not knocking castlerealm as it had its place but also more than its share of dungeons and dragons fantasy also)

Any relationship needs two to make work whether its lifestyle or vanilla.and whilst love and mutual respect are paramount i dont feel its healthy for one partner or the other to view themselves a gift to the other in any relationship be it lifestyle or not.
be well






CelticPrince -> RE: A gift! is it thus or not? (2/8/2009 5:19:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Weird. Whenever someone posts one of these "gift" threads I always get a whiff of unicorn poop. Am I the only one?


mist,

sniff sniff, well the thread is still young!

CP




mistoferin -> RE: A gift! is it thus or not? (2/8/2009 5:20:09 PM)

OMG!!!! Submission as a gift and the mention of CastleRealm all in the same post!!! Why don't you just stab me in the eyes with screwdrivers??? (It'd be less painful)[:'(]




CelticPrince -> RE: A gift! is it thus or not? (2/8/2009 5:21:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nikitaa

If I find a man under Christmas tree wrapped in ribbon with bow then submissive is gift.
If I must seek a man in the mens dorm building and grab him by his hair and pull him down and walk on him then is not gift, but more fun. ;-)

^^^Answer is all I have to offer. I do not have experience enough to offer serious answer.

I make edit...

Why is many people running into the fallout shelter?


Nikita,

Nicely put!

CP




Sexycelticlady -> RE: A gift! is it thus or not? (2/8/2009 5:24:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

OMG!!!! Submission as a gift and the mention of CastleRealm all in the same post!!! Why don't you just stab me in the eyes with screwdrivers??? (It'd be less painful)[:'(]


Simple solution. Stop reading it.




Knite064 -> RE: A gift! is it thus or not? (2/8/2009 5:26:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

OMG!!!! Submission as a gift and the mention of CastleRealm all in the same post!!! Why don't you just stab me in the eyes with screwdrivers??? (It'd be less painful)[:'(]

laughs
But unfortunately i think gifts of submission and castlerealm are bed partners and yes i agree mentioning both are a tad painful




dreamerdreaming -> RE: A gift! is it thus or not? (2/8/2009 5:30:58 PM)

Mmkay, someone please enlighten me, thanks.

What was castlerealm, exactly?

I went there, and there was just a wall. The site has been down for quite some time. What was so bad about it?




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