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rulemylife -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/9/2009 7:29:22 PM)
quote: "If you do not live your life on your terms, then it is not your life." quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf ~FR~ At what point is the President going to be judged on just what he does, rather than compared to Bush (who was horrible). Isn't it kind of like comparing something and saying "well it is not as bad as cancer."? So what are the thoughts on The President doing this? O59? Any other Dem want to comment on what appears to be favoritism of supporters, kind of similar to how many President before handled things. Favoritism of supporters? He ran on a pro-labor platform. He promised to reverse the rules instituted by the Bush administration designed to break the unions. He's doing exactly what those who voted for him elected him to do, but now it seems to be a big surprise to his opponents that he is actually going to implement the policies his supporters elected him on the basis of.

slvemike4u -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/9/2009 8:21:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity This thread is about a Democratic president pandering to a lobbyist organization which supports Democrats exclusively, after the President promised he wouldn't pander to lobbyists - which is a fine topic for debate. What's the last topic you threw out there mike? It seems like all you ever do is bitch and cry, almost exclusively. "WAAAH, he wants to discuss President Obama's decision to offer bids exclusively to Union shops." Gaa, there are crying towels in the lobby - the Moderator told me so. Go grab one, and use it. Your posts are just petty, insulting, empty immature rhetoric, and they're not half of what the posts are that you try to tear down. quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u No Sanity he goes around constantly degrading,nitpicking and nagging the current administration and all things Democratic Party. As for learning something from him....I think not. Sheesh, Sanity why don't you tell me how you really feel.

corysub -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/9/2009 8:23:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval It is not a double standard for people here to call you on posting the same whining over and over and over and tell you to take it elsewhere. My my.....the liberals get three weeks of the medicine they've been dishing out for eight years and are losing any sense of rationality. If you want to point a finger at people whining....just point into the mirror.

Vendaval -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/9/2009 8:28:54 PM)
You miss the mark, cory. My criticisms have been about specific policies, actions, inactions and laws signed by politicians and scoundrels regardless of their political party.

Sanity -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/9/2009 8:34:23 PM)
We're all centrists, in our own minds... quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval You miss the mark, cory. My criticisms have been about specific policies, actions, inactions and laws signed by politicians and scoundrels regardless of their political party.

Vendaval -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/9/2009 8:36:19 PM)
I have never claimed to be a centrist either.

slvemike4u -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/9/2009 8:38:15 PM)
Well it would stand to reason that some of the people who think they are centrist.....are in fact centrists.

slaveboy291 -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/9/2009 9:01:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: corysub quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval It is not a double standard for people here to call you on posting the same whining over and over and over and tell you to take it elsewhere. My my.....the liberals get three weeks of the medicine they've been dishing out for eight years and are losing any sense of rationality. If you want to point a finger at people whining....just point into the mirror. My my, coming from someone who tried to debunk the New Deal by citing statistics 13yrs before Roosevelt took office and 1yr after he died saying people are losing their sense of reality and rationality. I'd point out the irony of this, but I think it's obvious. And considering all the whinning over Clinton, I don't think anybody on the right have a leg to stand on and point fingers at people whinning.

aravain -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/9/2009 9:58:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Coldwarrior57 its the tax payers money, so should the GOV give any contracts to unions ? if its a known that they drive the cost of goods and services up, and a private entity does not, then does it not make sense for the GOV to safe tax payers money and go with a non union organization? MORE union workers are tax-payers than not. I'm not sure of the exact percentage or things, but (according to what I learned in high school, at least) an appeal of union shops is that... THEY'RE AMERICA-BASED almost entirely, instead of being international conglomerates. I am MORE than willing to keep the business in-home, thank you very much, even if it costs more. If we (the taxpayers and American people) don't start supporting domestic ventures, despite the fact that they may cost more, we're going to COLLAPSE entirely. I see the repealing of this act as a way to ensure that: a) the workers on government contracts are getting FAIR wages. b) all money for domestic projects will return back into OUR economy. I haven't seen or experienced any Union discrimination... quite the opposite, I've experienced AND seen unions that get downright MEAN to workers who are not IN the union. Where my dad works it wasn't originally required for workers to be in the union... but workers who chose not to be in the union usually left the shop within a year. When you're in a position where having a union is the only thing between having full benefits and a livable wage for your family, non-union workers in your shop are a detriment, and a majority of unions exist precisely for those two reasons. One of the FEW things that I supported Obama in during his campaign was that he was focused on returning those powers, those reasons BACK to the unions. You can't outsource union workers. That's admirable and, apparently, a majority of Americans thought it was worth paying more to do so. This is one of the reasons I'm happier he won, rather than McCain, but really I didn't support EITHER of them in full.

MrRodgers -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/9/2009 10:04:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Coldwarrior57 The Association of Building Contractors, which represents 25,000 businesses around the country, condemned an executive order signed by Obama that restricts bidding on federally funded construction projects to union-controlled businesses: http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/02/obama-signs-legislation-putting-25000.html I thought he was the PEOPLES prez, not just the unions. Associated Builders and Contractors (ABC) today denounced an Executive Order signed by President Obama that repeals Executive Order 13202, that prohibited federal agencies and recipients of federal funding from requiring contractors to sign union-only project labor agreements (PLAs) as a condition of performing work on federal and federally funded construction projects. Keep choking the economy there team "o" . The truth comes out...you cannot restore economy unless you discount labor to oblivion. You are correct...we need to IMPORT some Chinese slaves... that will give us some 'economic growth.' I wonder if the communist/capitalist fascists would part with a few million ? Always amazes me how this is criticized yet 7 figure subsidies to much of American agricorp. is ok. Socialism for the rich is great...isn't it ?

MrRodgers -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/9/2009 10:10:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity We're all centrists, in our own minds... quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval You miss the mark, cory. My criticisms have been about specific policies, actions, inactions and laws signed by politicians and scoundrels regardless of their political party. Wait a minute..I am an ultra-moderate, right wing, revolutionary pacifist. Anarchist...unite !!

Hippiekinkster -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/9/2009 10:15:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: Coldwarrior57 The Association of Building Contractors, which represents 25,000 businesses around the country, condemned an executive order signed by Obama that restricts bidding on federally funded construction projects to union-controlled businesses: http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/02/obama-signs-legislation-putting-25000.html I thought he was the PEOPLES prez, not just the unions. Associated Builders and Contractors (ABC) today denounced an Executive Order signed by President Obama that repeals Executive Order 13202, that prohibited federal agencies and recipients of federal funding from requiring contractors to sign union-only project labor agreements (PLAs) as a condition of performing work on federal and federally funded construction projects. Keep choking the economy there team "o" . The truth comes out...you cannot restore economy unless you discount labor to oblivion. You are correct...we need to IMPORT some Chinese slaves... that will give us some 'economic growth.' I wonder if the communist/capitalist fascists would part with a few million ? Always amazes me how this is criticized yet 7 figure subsidies to much of American agricorp. is ok. Socialism for the rich is great...isn't it ? I thought I had just pointed out the fact that the whining, wailing, and gnashing of teeth is because the builders can't hire cheap illegal labor anymore. I'm real sure I did, it might be a couple pages (chapters) back, but I feel certain... [8D]

Owner59 -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/9/2009 11:21:18 PM)
I`m an ultra-centrist....[;)]

ArizonaSunSwitch -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/9/2009 11:54:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Coldwarrior57 quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval Quit your bitching and get involved then, join up with the Southern California Republican Club. http://www.sclagop.org/ what makes you so sure I am not? Yet you cannot address the o/p. Its not bitching if its reporting the truth. hmm team o gets the union vote, and then signs an XO to stop non union shops from bidding on gov contracts. can you say quid pro quo? I love the double standards of the left. You don't understand, your detractors understand that Obama intends to only benefit his party. The party that is actively trying to become the only party through voter fraud, interference with the free press and soon, by legalizing about 40 million illegal aliens. Their mistake is thinking they are a valued part of the party and will see benefits from Obama's and his party's larceny of the productive. What they don't realize is that the vast majority of every statist party including Stalin and Hitler's parties are only there to be useful idiots and don't receive any benefits. They are fulfilling their master's intended roles for them well. If some of them actually read Marx they might understand that they too are about to get a jackboot up the ass by their compassionate fatherly leaders.

aravain -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/9/2009 11:58:19 PM)
Buh? Where are you getting all this, ArizonaSunSwitch? Like, your facts and numbers and stuff?

ArizonaSunSwitch -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/9/2009 11:58:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity We're all centrists, in our own minds... quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval You miss the mark, cory. My criticisms have been about specific policies, actions, inactions and laws signed by politicians and scoundrels regardless of their political party. I'm no f-ing centrist. I believe in Individual Freedom, even for the retards clamoring for their own enslavement (and mine) under socialism. That makes me a Capitalist.

ArizonaSunSwitch -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/10/2009 12:03:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aravain Buh? Where are you getting all this, ArizonaSunSwitch? Like, your facts and numbers and stuff? Have you not heard of the fairness doctrine ? Or do you think that program is anything but censorship of the left's political opponents ? Or do you think the first amendment is only about the printed press ? As far as the illegal alien comment...watch and see. And i'm sorry if you think acorn is a community organization committee. They are well known for their voter registration bullshit, bank intimidation and other jack booted thug behavior. They are the recipients of 4.3 billion dollars under the current stimulus package. But hey, keep being useful, maybe you'll be one of the few that Obama will notice and reward for your loyalty.

aravain -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/10/2009 12:11:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ArizonaSunSwitch Have you not heard of the fairness doctrine ? Or do you think that program is anything but censorship of the left's political opponents ? Or do you think the first amendment is only about the printed press ? That's... not what I asked? quote: As far as the illegal alien comment...watch and see. So basically, you're picking up your numbers from nowhere, at least? Ok. quote: And i'm sorry if you think acorn is a community organization committee. They are well known for their voter registration bullshit, bank intimidation and other jack booted thug behavior. They are the recipients of 4.3 billion dollars under the current stimulus package. Eh? What's Acorn? Where are you getting your facts and stuff from (as in, sources please... actual articles from notable sources that do fact-checking) quote: But hey, keep being useful, maybe you'll be one of the few that Obama will notice and reward for your loyalty. Uh-huh. Because I support one thing that Obama's doing/done I'm being useful to him? Doesn't matter that, currently, I don't really support the stimilus package as is, or a few other of his/Democrats' standpoints? That I wasn't one of the people who voted for him?

ArizonaSunSwitch -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/10/2009 12:23:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 This is a bush mess.The President is only here to fix it. Using a President Bush model of economic stimulation and a Democratic free spending mentality will "fix it"? How do you come to that rationalization? Why will President Bush's ideas about providing money for failures and giving out tax rebates, even to people who didn't pay taxes, work now just because President Obama has adopted them as his own? Understand this, Bush was no conservative when it came to economic policy. He grew the government horridly. Created a new huge unworkable entitlement (the senior drug program) among other things. His tax cuts aren't an issue. GDP and job growth increased every year after 9/11 until fannie mae and freedie mac blew up the credit system. The tax cuts worked. Domestic entitlements were made far worse and are a time bomb that are going to hurt our economy far worse than this current credit crunch. But hey, considering the alternatives and the fact this country was under attack by fanatics (I mean the primarily middle eastern ones this time, not the current presidential administration) and he was handling that in a way that worked (despite your probably objections) he had to be supported. All the dolts saying we shouldn't do another 3rd term of bush economics drive me crazy. Bush allowing the government to screw up the credit system and create new unpayable entitlements are minor compared to the government interference in the credit systems that the Democrats are proposing. And do I need to mention spending at all ? Already 350 billion in tarp down the drain. 850 billion in pork programs in the stimulus bill, and in a few days we're going to find out tarp II is going to cost another trillion or so. The current Democrat controlled legislative and executive branches are about to take Bush's mistakes and increase them a 100 fold. But hey, as long as we take more money from people that make more than us, it's ok. Oh, and the buy American bullshit ? That's going to set off a tariff war. The last nail in the coffin that created the great depression was the smoot-hawley tariff act. Between tarp and the stimulus bill, all the prior mistakes the government made to create the prior great depression have been made again. Quite an accomplishment with less than 3 weeks in office. Now, are Obama/Reid/Pelosi really this stupid ? Or do they just not give a fuck since it's not going to effect them since there's currently a knee-jerk Bush is the anti-christ attitude out there and they fully intend to shutdown public debate before the focus changes to their own actions ?

ArizonaSunSwitch -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/10/2009 12:39:56 AM)
This quoting system is screwed and I don't feel like fixing it. Since you need to be spoon fed in regards to my previous post, you asked where I was getting my assertions: Acorn --- voter fraud, intimidating banks into providing inner city loans in cases where the recipients were poor credit risks. Fairness doctrine --- interference with a free press. The illegal comment ? It's a prediction. As to sourcing articles, do your own research, I don't engage in pointless activities at the behest of a true believer. Primarily pointless because you'll just post same lame rebuttal from the organization involved or from the dailykos or some soros website or some random blog from some unemployed 20 yr old living in his parent's basement or even worse some New York Times editorial article. And if you read Marx you'd understand the useful comment. quote: ORIGINAL: aravain quote: ORIGINAL: ArizonaSunSwitch Have you not heard of the fairness doctrine ? Or do you think that program is anything but censorship of the left's political opponents ? Or do you think the first amendment is only about the printed press ? That's... not what I asked? quote: As far as the illegal alien comment...watch and see. So basically, you're picking up your numbers from nowhere, at least? Ok. quote: And i'm sorry if you think acorn is a community organization committee. They are well known for their voter registration bullshit, bank intimidation and other jack booted thug behavior. They are the recipients of 4.3 billion dollars under the current stimulus package. Eh? What's Acorn? Where are you getting your facts and stuff from (as in, sources please... actual articles from notable sources that do fact-checking) quote: But hey, keep being useful, maybe you'll be one of the few that Obama will notice and reward for your loyalty. Uh-huh. Because I support one thing that Obama's doing/done I'm being useful to him? Doesn't matter that, currently, I don't really support the stimilus package as is, or a few other of his/Democrats' standpoints? That I wasn't one of the people who voted for him?

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