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ArizonaSunSwitch -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/10/2009 1:06:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval You miss the mark, cory. My criticisms have been about specific policies, actions, inactions and laws signed by politicians and scoundrels regardless of their political party. Wait a minute..I am an ultra-moderate, right wing, revolutionary pacifist. Anarchist...unite !! Ron Paul ? Is that you ?

aravain -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/10/2009 1:12:06 AM)
Pfft, whatever then. You're actively saying you're here to blow smoke in my (being a universal pronoun in this case) face. Time to look away [8\|] (as a side note, I was actually interested in hearing/reading your sources. I had none in either direction saying that voter fraud was less/more rampant with Democrats than it was with Republicans, I wasn't actually aware of any interference with the free press, and I was unaware that larceny was going on at all. I'll admit that I knew the illegal immigrant number was pulled from thin air, though. Also, I've read Marx... and I am the exact opposite of what would be considered 'useful' in that standpoint if I remember correctly (what with the whole... not supporting or voting for Obama, still being unhappy that he's president, not mindlessly catering to his every whim in the hopes of a socialist state (not that Obama wants one, but Marx advocated it), etc.). Granted, it was two years ago. [8\|])

ArizonaSunSwitch -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/10/2009 1:39:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aravain Pfft, whatever then. You're actively saying you're here to blow smoke in my (being a universal pronoun in this case) face. Time to look away [8\|] (as a side note, I was actually interested in hearing/reading your sources. I had none in either direction saying that voter fraud was less/more rampant with Democrats than it was with Republicans, I wasn't actually aware of any interference with the free press, and I was unaware that larceny was going on at all. I'll admit that I knew the illegal immigrant number was pulled from thin air, though. Also, I've read Marx... and I am the exact opposite of what would be considered 'useful' in that standpoint if I remember correctly (what with the whole... not supporting or voting for Obama, still being unhappy that he's president, not mindlessly catering to his every whim in the hopes of a socialist state (not that Obama wants one, but Marx advocated it), etc.). Granted, it was two years ago. [8\|]) sighs, research isn't exactly hard these days with google and all, assuming you recognize propaganda when you read it (and therefore discount it). As far as fairness doctrine is concerned, it was canceled by executive order (i think) by Ronald Reagan. If you find his administrations explanation on why he did this you'll understand the original rationale about it's creation, why it's inappropriate in this day and age and it completely destroys any argument currently being bandied about for bringing it back. As far as Acorn is concerned, you'll find a lot of websites about how it's a socially responsible group registering poor disenfranchised minorities and a small number of hits that describe their bad behavior. Pulling out one of the latter and posting it in this forum is pointless. If nothing else a voter registration group can't possibly spend 4.3 billion dollars in this country, that alone should be a red flag that they are a bunch of marxist doucebags.

ArizonaSunSwitch -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/10/2009 1:50:44 AM)
quote: One of the FEW things that I supported Obama in during his campaign was that he was focused on returning those powers, those reasons BACK to the unions. You can't outsource union workers. That's admirable and, apparently, a majority of Americans thought it was worth paying more to do so. This is one of the reasons I'm happier he won, rather than McCain, but really I didn't support EITHER of them in full. Yeah, the UAW is admirable, they've priced the domestic auto companies out of business unless the taxpayer is continually forced to subsidize them to the tune of billions a dollars a year for the foreseeable future. I'll never buy an american car again until the CEO of one of those companies tells Pelosi to go fuck herself on national tv. Between labor laws and cafe standards Congress has crippled the domestic car companies and every one of those ceos went up to capital hill, bent over and took Pelosi's strap-on without the slightest complaint.

Truthiness -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/10/2009 3:51:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboy291 Well yeah, he has the most uneviable job in history cleaning up the mess left by the most incompetent leader in history. I think you mean the mess left by the last 80 or so years of this economic policy, that existed far before Bush. I mean seriously, you blame Bush for the borrow/spend mentality, when that mentality existed for decades before Bush? Then you fail to even realize that the current administration is DOING THE EXACT SAME THING? We're in this mess due to decades of spending money we don't have....and now we apparently want to fix it by spending more money we don't have. The idiocy in that should be far more obvious than it seems to be, and it saddens me that so many seem unable to grasp such a simple concept.

MrRodgers -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/10/2009 4:37:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Coldwarrior57 quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval Quit your bitching and get involved then, join up with the Southern California Republican Club. http://www.sclagop.org/ what makes you so sure I am not? Yet you cannot address the o/p. Its not bitching if its reporting the truth. hmm team o gets the union vote, and then signs an XO to stop non union shops from bidding on gov contracts. can you say quid pro quo? I love the double standards of the left. I know man, they are slow learners. Now the repubs, they have it down...real pros at quid pro quo. Wall street was throwing about $2 million a year at congress until 2000. Since that time...$21 million year at the repub majority and when they blow up the store they get a $trillion handout in about 15 minutes and a cup of coffee. Now that's some real quid pro quo. I would suggest it is the greatest return on investment in the history of our plutocracy.

MrRodgers -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/10/2009 4:44:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ArizonaSunSwitch quote: One of the FEW things that I supported Obama in during his campaign was that he was focused on returning those powers, those reasons BACK to the unions. You can't outsource union workers. That's admirable and, apparently, a majority of Americans thought it was worth paying more to do so. This is one of the reasons I'm happier he won, rather than McCain, but really I didn't support EITHER of them in full. Yeah, the UAW is admirable, they've priced the domestic auto companies out of business unless the taxpayer is continually forced to subsidize them to the tune of billions a dollars a year for the foreseeable future. I'll never buy an american car again until the CEO of one of those companies tells Pelosi to go fuck herself on national tv. Between labor laws and cafe standards Congress has crippled the domestic car companies and every one of those ceos went up to capital hill, bent over and took Pelosi's strap-on without the slightest complaint. Unmitigated bullshit. Foreign car manufactures have met every standard set by the feds and were kicking ass mainly because thay pay a wage barely above the poverty wage for a family of 4...$14/hr. The Japanese don't pay their people at home anything either as demonstrated by the fact that for 30 years they have had the no. 2 ranked economy in the world yet...their people have enjoyed nothing better than the 24th ranked standard of living.

Coldwarrior57 -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/10/2009 9:07:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ArizonaSunSwitch quote: One of the FEW things that I supported Obama in during his campaign was that he was focused on returning those powers, those reasons BACK to the unions. You can't outsource union workers. That's admirable and, apparently, a majority of Americans thought it was worth paying more to do so. This is one of the reasons I'm happier he won, rather than McCain, but really I didn't support EITHER of them in full. Yeah, the UAW is admirable, they've priced the domestic auto companies out of business unless the taxpayer is continually forced to subsidize them to the tune of billions a dollars a year for the foreseeable future. I'll never buy an american car again until the CEO of one of those companies tells Pelosi to go fuck herself on national tv. Between labor laws and cafe standards Congress has crippled the domestic car companies and every one of those ceos went up to capital hill, bent over and took Pelosi's strap-on without the slightest complaint. WOW , run for office I would vote for you .

Owner59 -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/10/2009 9:20:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ArizonaSunSwitch quote: ORIGINAL: Coldwarrior57 quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval Quit your bitching and get involved then, join up with the Southern California Republican Club. http://www.sclagop.org/ what makes you so sure I am not? Yet you cannot address the o/p. Its not bitching if its reporting the truth. hmm team o gets the union vote, and then signs an XO to stop non union shops from bidding on gov contracts. can you say quid pro quo? I love the double standards of the left. You don't understand, your detractors understand that Obama intends to only benefit his party. The party that is actively trying to become the only party through voter fraud, interference with the free press and soon, by legalizing about 40 million illegal aliens. Their mistake is thinking they are a valued part of the party and will see benefits from Obama's and his party's larceny of the productive. What they don't realize is that the vast majority of every statist party including Stalin and Hitler's parties are only there to be useful idiots and don't receive any benefits. They are fulfilling their master's intended roles for them well. If some of them actually read Marx they might understand that they too are about to get a jackboot up the ass by their compassionate fatherly leaders. Why is it that most of the cons,save slaveboy and Orion,read verbatim from Rush Limbaugh`s kooky script? This is an old ,worn out yarn.That dog won`t hunt,but it`s fun to watch it chase it`s tail.lol Who makes this stuff up,anyway?Weird.

slaveboy291 -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/10/2009 9:32:38 AM)
quote: I think you mean the mess left by the last 80 or so years of this economic policy, that existed far before Bush. quote: I mean seriously, you blame Bush for the borrow/spend mentality, when that mentality existed for decades before Bush? Then you fail to even realize that the current administration is DOING THE EXACT SAME THING? Do you realize that pointing fingers at past and present administrations does not give one a pass on what they did. He could've changed that, but choose not too and made things worse by adding to it. So once again, no matter how you spin it, he's not innocent. As for Obama, as I said we'll wait and see the effect. But to blame him at this point is ridiculous.

Owner59 -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/10/2009 9:37:11 AM)
To cheer any bad news is down right un-American.

popeye1250 -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/10/2009 9:39:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ArizonaSunSwitch quote: ORIGINAL: Coldwarrior57 quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval Quit your bitching and get involved then, join up with the Southern California Republican Club. http://www.sclagop.org/ what makes you so sure I am not? Yet you cannot address the o/p. Its not bitching if its reporting the truth. hmm team o gets the union vote, and then signs an XO to stop non union shops from bidding on gov contracts. can you say quid pro quo? I love the double standards of the left. You don't understand, your detractors understand that Obama intends to only benefit his party. The party that is actively trying to become the only party through voter fraud, interference with the free press and soon, by legalizing about 40 million illegal aliens. Their mistake is thinking they are a valued part of the party and will see benefits from Obama's and his party's larceny of the productive. What they don't realize is that the vast majority of every statist party including Stalin and Hitler's parties are only there to be useful idiots and don't receive any benefits. They are fulfilling their master's intended roles for them well. If some of them actually read Marx they might understand that they too are about to get a jackboot up the ass by their compassionate fatherly leaders. Ari, the last time they tried that "amnesty" crap the American People broke the U.S. Senate phone system. More than 90% of Americans are against that type of thing. I know liberals and leftists who are against it. Seems the only people "for" anything like that are the illegal aliens and the companies who want to hire them at slave wages. That's an extremely small "constituency." One, two percent? Trying that type of thing would be political suicide for any party. Look at what happened to the Republicans in the last election for trying that shit! "We're all God's children." -John Lunkhead McCain- Bye, bye John!!! That happened under Bush! Obama has promised us "change." Now, many have called President Obama a "brilliant legal scholor." Even "brilliant" people know that it's a very bad thing to alienate more than 90% of the American People! You do that and you'd better be looking in the Yellow Pages for "Movers" and start picking up empty boxes at Costco.

Owner59 -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/10/2009 9:48:04 AM)
Pop, If bush hadn`t killed American capitalism and if everyone was still doing well and getting better(Cintonomics),the issue of illegals would be a non-issue. Illegal immigration is not why people loath bush,tho for some it is the main reason. It`s everything in tote.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/10/2009 6:52:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Orion, Why don`t you answer your own question. Sure thing. Prove your word of honor and answer them as well though. "So what are the thoughts on The President doing this? O59? Any other Dem want to comment on what appears to be favoritism of supporters, kind of similar to how many President before handled things. " I believe that what the President has done is politics as usual, and in this specific case I do not see any change that was promised. quote: What amount of time do you think is fair? Fair for what? Did you read the specifics in the OP? How much time is fair to change things? The second after he took the oath is fair. quote: Does one get blamed for the water rushing through the breach, just weeks after taking over from the breach maker? What does this quote have to do with the OP? This is an example of your deflection. If you want to speak about this, start a different topic. I blame the President for handling this specific situation just as any politician would. quote: In general,most presidents get a year or more,if there`s shit going on.If things are improving(like under Clinton),this subject isn`t even on the radar. You are rambling now. Stay with the OP. Obama promised change, and this specific act shows 1) he is paying back campaign support 2) slimming down the number of companies that can do this work. quote: bush got a decent economy and left it a wreck,started a war,got 4000 plus GIs killed and stranded our army in Iraq and flubbed Afghanistan. Has not a fucking thing to do with the OP. quote: He got a pass for 9/11,got a pass for mis-leading us into a war,pretty much no media critism,...untill Katrina. Has not a fucking thing to do with the OP. quote: That was the watershed moment. When Scott McClellan spilled the beans,it was over for bush`s credibility. I`m I wrong or do I see people insisting that we treat Obama as if he`s also a liar,just to be fair? Is it suggested that Obama also be taken to have no credibility (as bush doesn`t),just to be or seem even handed? That`s not how it works. Even with healthy skepticism,don`t we all give every person a clean slate and believe them,at least until they demonstrate dis-honesty? This is about bush and neo-conservatives and transcends left/right politics. Good question.But the answer is as easy to predict as public opinion is. No this is about the OP. <thick irish accent> Now answer the focking question. "So what are the thoughts on The President doing this? O59? Any other Dem want to comment on what appears to be favoritism of supporters, kind of similar to how many President before handled things. "

OrionTheWolf -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/10/2009 6:55:37 PM)
So then what you are saying is that if the people that supported him, are benefited in a way that is a campaign promise, it is a good thing? Even if it goes against other things they said? Even if that person were not a Democrat? Is this a rule you apply equally? quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Favoritism of supporters? He ran on a pro-labor platform. He promised to reverse the rules instituted by the Bush administration designed to break the unions. He's doing exactly what those who voted for him elected him to do, but now it seems to be a big surprise to his opponents that he is actually going to implement the policies his supporters elected him on the basis of.

corysub -> RE: So much for getting the people back to work. No hopie changie SOS. (2/10/2009 7:09:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Coldwarrior57 quote: ORIGINAL: ArizonaSunSwitch quote: One of the FEW things that I supported Obama in during his campaign was that he was focused on returning those powers, those reasons BACK to the unions. You can't outsource union workers. That's admirable and, apparently, a majority of Americans thought it was worth paying more to do so. This is one of the reasons I'm happier he won, rather than McCain, but really I didn't support EITHER of them in full. Yeah, the UAW is admirable, they've priced the domestic auto companies out of business unless the taxpayer is continually forced to subsidize them to the tune of billions a dollars a year for the foreseeable future. I'll never buy an american car again until the CEO of one of those companies tells Pelosi to go fuck herself on national tv. Between labor laws and cafe standards Congress has crippled the domestic car companies and every one of those ceos went up to capital hill, bent over and took Pelosi's strap-on without the slightest complaint. WOW , run for office I would vote for you . You can add my vote...how many more do we need?

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