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RE: This scares me. - 2/9/2009 6:14:22 PM   
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RE: This scares me. - 2/9/2009 6:14:50 PM   
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I maybe am niave or immature w.e ...that's prolly why having that kind of person in my life freaked me out so much.


First of all if you got into private COLLEGES with that spelling, I'd be dumbfound--3.78GPA? hmmm
 
You dangled the carrot, be mature enough to fix it, as I said if your toys aren't big enough neither is the sandbox.

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RE: This scares me. - 2/9/2009 6:16:27 PM   
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He's an asshole. Emotionally abusive, and would have been physically abusive if you'd continued.

Anytime someone says you can't have any limits, BOLT. You can and should, have sensible limits. I mean, no limits means he could just kill you, right? Or how about if he just decides to chop off a few fingers, your hand, arm, or whatever, because you're "not allowed" to have any limits?! C'mon.

I think YourHandMyAss has it in her sig line, something to this effect: just because you are in a BDSM relationship, does not mean you can just stop using your common sense.

You need to make sure that before you open yourself up for another possible relationship, you develop some good confidence and self esteem, and your asshole detector is in the "on" position.

Take time.


Yeah..which is what i am doing now...learning from my msitakes. he was just the first person i ever talked to about this stuff bdsm and stuff... i didn't know what i was getting myself into at the time..i was new at everything i didn't know any of the ropes, he sure took advantage of that haha.

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RE: This scares me. - 2/9/2009 6:17:20 PM   
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RE: This scares me. - 2/9/2009 6:17:49 PM   
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The guy is clearly a jerk in my view, but you need to realize that at 18, based on what you have experienced so far and your response to it, it is probably too soon for you to be pursuing this kind of play and lifestyle. I appreciate your thirst to feel your own submissiveness and how strong that thirst can be.

Why is it too soon? Because you haven't yet developed (1) enough good judgment to keep yourself safe, (2) enough good practices to know how to say no and (3) enough understanding of yourself to know what your limits are. I do not say that to insult you; you can develop all those over time. you are already learning but you are doing it in a risky way.

My advice is to give yourself more time before you venture into this world "for real", so that you can be safer when you do, spot an asshole when you see one, get educated about the many choices in BDSM and how they relate to who you are. Learn at a safe distance from other subs/slaves and from Masters/Doms who are happy to mentor you. I suspect you may not want to hear this advice, but it comes free and with some concern as to how you are proceeding. All the best.

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RE: This scares me. - 2/9/2009 6:18:02 PM   
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[/quote]

Great post thank you very much.
Yeah, well it's why i didn't give him a third chance...ya he talked me into giving him a second sometimes i'm a sucker but in the end i do have self respect, hence why i'm not in the relationship anymore. i don't deserve any of that;. exactly i'm still a human being..

thank you. just something i have to learn from.
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That is really the second part of what I am driving for.  I have had several submissives who were very young, very beautiful and very intelligent.  It is not always the case, but frequently, for a number of reasons in this society, a young woman's self esteem is inversely proportional to her intelligence and beauty.  They internalize and over think everything, and because of this, they are vulnerable and easily taken advantage of.  When they make mistakes, that gives them more to feel bad about, which only reinforces the cycle. 

I quickly go into "just friends" mode with such women.  I have no desire to be part of a punishment fantasy for all of their "sins." 

You are a person, and after reading your profile, clearly a very bright one, with a promising future. 

I am glad you see this as a learning experience.  It is.  You do not deserve the likes of that guy.  Learn and look for the symptoms in others.  Avoid them.  Most importantly, ask yourself why you are attracted to them in the first place.

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RE: This scares me. - 2/9/2009 6:18:40 PM   
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It sounds like you pretty much have him figured out at this point. It seems he's putting his ego before anything else here, so yea, he seems to be just wanker-ific...

Just from briefly browsing your profile, I'd say you can make bigger and better friends easily. I'd say skip this one as a potential 'anything' and keep him out of your life, as this will probably always be a source of high drama. That's just my opinion based on what I've read here, I could be wrong of course...

...and 30 ain't old, I say... It's about how old you feel and not so much how many candles are on the birthday cake right??...


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RE: This scares me. - 2/9/2009 6:19:14 PM   
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< sighs and takes a look at the ceiling before responding > 
There's this thing called the Cycle of Abuse.  There's the Honeymoon Stage, the Tension (-Building) Stage, and the Explosion Stage.  Between each is a period of decision-making that perpetuates movement to the next stage of the Cycle. 
What you're describing isn't a D/s relationship, it's an abusive relationship.  And, you're perpetuating it via going back for his attention over and over again.  Cut it out!  Seriously. 
I used to run groups for court-ordered domestic-violence offenders.  If there weren't pathological personality-types that went back to them, the offenders wouldn't have had anyone to abuse.  And, most of these lovely folks had ums which made me even more appalled.  I wouldn't have worked with the victims because I would have wound up throttling someone.  At least with the offenders, the potential for them going to jail was some level of recourse if they didn't exert effort toward change. 
Why am I going off on you?  Because you're 18 and you need to stop it before it becomes a life-long habit.  Work on whatever about yourself that needs working on before you continue this Cycle in perpetuity. 
Again, this isn't D/s, it's abuse and there IS a difference. 
Davan

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RE: This scares me. - 2/9/2009 6:19:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

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ORIGINAL: lilmisssubmiss

I maybe am niave or immature w.e ...that's prolly why having that kind of person in my life freaked me out so much.


First of all if you got into private COLLEGES with that spelling, I'd be dumbfound--3.78GPA? hmmm
 
You dangled the carrot, be mature enough to fix it, as I said if your toys aren't big enough neither is the sandbox.

i did thank you very much 5 of them. no one corrected my essays either...pretty proud of myself actually. ..  :) yes isn't it amazing how you can't tell the exact IQ off of someone you've seen type on the internet???!!?!!?!!?!

Anyways, you can continue to say this nonhelpful crap...i'll be skipping over it from now on.

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RE: This scares me. - 2/9/2009 6:22:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: oceanwynds

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ORIGINAL: lilmisssubmiss

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ORIGINAL: oceanwynds

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ORIGINAL: lilmisssubmiss

k thanks

he did send out warning vibes

telling me i'd have to say yes to being gang raped.
lol





Well, that idea could not been that bad for you, or you would not even considered having him as a friend.


eh..... i talked a lot to him in the past before i figured things out about him..... i'm the kind of person that likes to be civil with people it's just easier that way ..for me anyways. esp that dude.


sigh. i hear excuses from you. Not one to take responsibility. Also one to post someone's messages on a board and then scream victim. uggg 

LOL...i WAS the victim he took advantage of me easily, he knew which buttons to press that made me question things..he tried blaming it on me everything and i was actually falling for it..i was disappointed in myself. i don't see how me seeing how i let this monster into my life and how scared i got cause of it is an excuse in any way...

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RE: This scares me. - 2/9/2009 6:22:29 PM   
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< sighs and takes a look at the ceiling before responding > 
There's this thing called the Cycle of Abuse.  There's the Honeymoon Stage, the Tension (-Building) Stage, and the Explosion Stage.  Between each is a period of decision-making that perpetuates movement to the next stage of the Cycle. 
What you're describing isn't a D/s relationship, it's an abusive relationship.  And, you're perpetuating it via going back for his attention over and over again.  Cut it out!  Seriously. 
I used to run groups for court-ordered domestic-violence offenders.  If there weren't pathological personality-types that went back to them, the offenders wouldn't have had anyone to abuse.  And, most of these lovely folks had ums which made me even more appalled.  I wouldn't have worked with the victims because I would have wound up throttling someone.  At least with the offenders, the potential for them going to jail was some level of recourse if they didn't exert effort toward change. 
Why am I going off on you?  Because you're 18 and you need to stop it before it becomes a life-long habit.  Work on whatever about yourself that needs working on before you continue this Cycle in perpetuity. 
Again, this isn't D/s, it's abuse and there IS a difference. 
Davan


This is what I am trying to say - but a bit more gently...

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RE: This scares me. - 2/9/2009 6:23:47 PM   
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If you are afraid of your Dom run like hell.  It is one thing to enjoy having fear induced during a scene, it is another to fear the one you select as a Dom.  By the way this is my opinion and others may disagree, but I find the whole no limits to be a bunch of BS. Everyone has limits and they need to be respected. I will as a Dominant try to push, bend, warp limits into non-limits but I would never in seriousness tell a sub they had no limits. Within in scene play that is a different, but I am assuming you are not talking about a scene but his telling you that you had no right to have limits - BS.

The only way I can lead my sub to soar above the heavens is for him/her to trust me implicitly and without reservation. To know that I will keep them safe even when they feel like they fall.  That is my gift and duty in return for their gift of submission.


Totally agree on that one...

I had once an experience with a guy on where whom I never met and never will meet. We were involved twice. Once we stopped contact due to unneccessary arguments as he wasn't well and I was in uni stress...I moved on with being in contact with someone else. Once that contact was ending in nowhere he turned up again and asked how I am doing. I accepted to give it another try as at the end of the day we both were under special circumstances when our contact did split.

So fine, I accepted to give it another go and we even agreed to meet and I booked my flight to him for a week....in the following three weeks we had next to no contact as at first he was on holiday and afterwards I was abroad due to work. After three weeks we got back in touch and he came up with bullshit about online-punishment for no real reason and he knows I don't approve of webcam nonsense so he didn't get nowhere with that demand and decided to dump me, in a real fast rushing off the cam.

So fine, I cancelled my flight to him, his loss at the end of the day.

Now

1.)...a few days or weeks later he contacted me blaming "me" for the fact that he dumped me as I "wasnt obedient enough..." (yeah right...)
2.) then his next version followed that he would have met someone else "straight afterwards" and she would come over now to him and then he would go over to her place with her (yeah right...and I am 3 years old and believe in such fairy tales of..."met someone else straight away afterwards..."
3) a while ago he contacted me again...now, I don't mind when he has the need to contact me (IF I have time at that moment which is not always the case) but he suggested to try it again, in case my "current contact" would not work out...but he also said that I would not want him anymore anyway...At first I said "well, I certainly wouldnt be stupid enough anymore to waste a penny on a flight to you and you would have to come over." He said he would...and kept checking on me at times to see if I am still involved with my current contact...in the last chat he then came finally up with the 3rd version and most likely real story for dumping me as he said "but I was already having a relationship, what is the point of meeting you when I already had someone..."

Now, thinking about all this thoroughly for a while...the good laughs we had and his bad actions he did I recently emailed him and told him clearly that there will never be a "us" anymore. Because at the end of the day...if someone would be my Dom I would have to be able to trust him!!!

How am I supposed to trust him, after he did not only let me down, but also came up with 3 different versions of his story/justification of dumping me...would I want a Dom who doesn't bother to lie to me that easily??? Would I want a Dom who did dump me that easily after suggesting himself 3 weeks before to meet???

Nope...surely not. If he would have been man enough to apologise for his childish behaviour and just sticked to the truth then I might have given him another chance...but he never bothered to apologise and kept justifying his stupid behaviour with different unreasonable versions...therefore...his loss, but I do know for sure, that he is not the right Dom for me, as I would not be able to trust him and definitely would not want to serve him as after all I am looking for a Dom...and not for an Idiot...

I will email you later during the week something else, but can't do that now as I am still busy with uni demands and am going off to bed soon. Take care

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RE: This scares me. - 2/9/2009 6:24:03 PM   
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You doing okay. Don't really listen to me. I was gang rape and I still see red when I see the words and go nutty.

Sorry

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RE: This scares me. - 2/9/2009 6:28:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

< sighs and takes a look at the ceiling before responding > 
There's this thing called the Cycle of Abuse.  There's the Honeymoon Stage, the Tension (-Building) Stage, and the Explosion Stage.  Between each is a period of decision-making that perpetuates movement to the next stage of the Cycle. 
What you're describing isn't a D/s relationship, it's an abusive relationship.  And, you're perpetuating it via going back for his attention over and over again.  Cut it out!  Seriously. 
I used to run groups for court-ordered domestic-violence offenders.  If there weren't pathological personality-types that went back to them, the offenders wouldn't have had anyone to abuse.  And, most of these lovely folks had ums which made me even more appalled.  I wouldn't have worked with the victims because I would have wound up throttling someone.  At least with the offenders, the potential for them going to jail was some level of recourse if they didn't exert effort toward change. 
Why am I going off on you?  Because you're 18 and you need to stop it before it becomes a life-long habit.  Work on whatever about yourself that needs working on before you continue this Cycle in perpetuity. 
Again, this isn't D/s, it's abuse and there IS a difference. 
Davan


thanks for being blunt ....bec what you said is all true.. i agree with you
and the only person who can keep that from happening to me..is myself.

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RE: This scares me. - 2/9/2009 6:29:20 PM   
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Trust me, ignoring him is the best, if you need it talk to him and get closure and say what you need to to move on, but let it be a lesson. i got out of a relationship like that not to long ago and it carried on longer than it should have and it became strictly abusive. Now i have a much older teacher, much older than 30, and he's been very helpful and i'm grateful for him and his sub.

But for the benefit of your own mental health just block him.

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RE: This scares me. - 2/9/2009 6:30:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

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ORIGINAL: lilmisssubmiss

I maybe am niave or immature w.e ...that's prolly why having that kind of person in my life freaked me out so much.


First of all if you got into private COLLEGES with that spelling, I'd be dumbfound--3.78GPA? hmmm
 
You dangled the carrot, be mature enough to fix it, as I said if your toys aren't big enough neither is the sandbox.


How polite.  It's a message board, there will be typos.  I recognize that the pseudo-anonymity of the net makes you feel that you have a license to be awful.  But, you really don't.

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RE: This scares me. - 2/9/2009 6:30:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: QuixoticErrant

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

< sighs and takes a look at the ceiling before responding > 
There's this thing called the Cycle of Abuse.  There's the Honeymoon Stage, the Tension (-Building) Stage, and the Explosion Stage.  Between each is a period of decision-making that perpetuates movement to the next stage of the Cycle. 
What you're describing isn't a D/s relationship, it's an abusive relationship.  And, you're perpetuating it via going back for his attention over and over again.  Cut it out!  Seriously. 
I used to run groups for court-ordered domestic-violence offenders.  If there weren't pathological personality-types that went back to them, the offenders wouldn't have had anyone to abuse.  And, most of these lovely folks had ums which made me even more appalled.  I wouldn't have worked with the victims because I would have wound up throttling someone.  At least with the offenders, the potential for them going to jail was some level of recourse if they didn't exert effort toward change. 
Why am I going off on you?  Because you're 18 and you need to stop it before it becomes a life-long habit.  Work on whatever about yourself that needs working on before you continue this Cycle in perpetuity. 
Again, this isn't D/s, it's abuse and there IS a difference. 
Davan


This is what I am trying to say - but a bit more gently...



Problem is, I'm already seeing the cry of 'victim' and it's a label that is a choice to, among other things, absolve one of personal responsibility.  Nope.  Not feeding into it.  Victim does not equal no responsibility.  Submissive doesn't equal no responsibility.  And, while the directness with which I speak may be off-putting, the op is at an age where the grown-up world is a reality and has the opportunity to make the hard choice to shake off the mantle of 'victim' and take responsibility for how she walks forward.  I hope that she uses her inner resources to do so. 
  Davan

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RE: This scares me. - 2/9/2009 6:32:16 PM   
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Perhaps I'm not seeing all this as a big of an issue as some of the others here. What I see is perhaps someone who really hasn't had the chance to really get to know one or more dominant types, and as a result, doesn't yet have the personal experience to be able to see some of the more subtle warning signs that you're dealing with an undesirable... Sure, some of the warnings you did get were pretty strong red flags, but I do believe, once you get to know some dominant types one-on-one, a lot of these issues will likely just go away because you'll have someone in mind to be able to compare and contrast against. That is, as long as you can avoid the temptation to indulge in interpersonal drama... 

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RE: This scares me. - 2/9/2009 6:33:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lilmisssubmiss

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

< sighs and takes a look at the ceiling before responding > 
There's this thing called the Cycle of Abuse.  There's the Honeymoon Stage, the Tension (-Building) Stage, and the Explosion Stage.  Between each is a period of decision-making that perpetuates movement to the next stage of the Cycle. 
What you're describing isn't a D/s relationship, it's an abusive relationship.  And, you're perpetuating it via going back for his attention over and over again.  Cut it out!  Seriously. 
I used to run groups for court-ordered domestic-violence offenders.  If there weren't pathological personality-types that went back to them, the offenders wouldn't have had anyone to abuse.  And, most of these lovely folks had ums which made me even more appalled.  I wouldn't have worked with the victims because I would have wound up throttling someone.  At least with the offenders, the potential for them going to jail was some level of recourse if they didn't exert effort toward change. 
Why am I going off on you?  Because you're 18 and you need to stop it before it becomes a life-long habit.  Work on whatever about yourself that needs working on before you continue this Cycle in perpetuity. 
Again, this isn't D/s, it's abuse and there IS a difference. 
Davan


thanks for being blunt ....bec what you said is all true.. i agree with you
and the only person who can keep that from happening to me..is myself.


You're welcome.  Rock that thought process, stick with it, and you'll be just fine!  (The part about you preventing bad things from happening via not feeding into the Cycle, though I'm rarely averse to hearing that I'm right, lol!  :>  ).  And, if you don't know how to work on/through the issues that make such a person a draw, say so.  Resources are out there. 
  Davan

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RE: This scares me. - 2/9/2009 6:33:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

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ORIGINAL: QuixoticErrant

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

< sighs and takes a look at the ceiling before responding > 
There's this thing called the Cycle of Abuse.  There's the Honeymoon Stage, the Tension (-Building) Stage, and the Explosion Stage.  Between each is a period of decision-making that perpetuates movement to the next stage of the Cycle. 
What you're describing isn't a D/s relationship, it's an abusive relationship.  And, you're perpetuating it via going back for his attention over and over again.  Cut it out!  Seriously. 
I used to run groups for court-ordered domestic-violence offenders.  If there weren't pathological personality-types that went back to them, the offenders wouldn't have had anyone to abuse.  And, most of these lovely folks had ums which made me even more appalled.  I wouldn't have worked with the victims because I would have wound up throttling someone.  At least with the offenders, the potential for them going to jail was some level of recourse if they didn't exert effort toward change. 
Why am I going off on you?  Because you're 18 and you need to stop it before it becomes a life-long habit.  Work on whatever about yourself that needs working on before you continue this Cycle in perpetuity. 
Again, this isn't D/s, it's abuse and there IS a difference. 
Davan


This is what I am trying to say - but a bit more gently...



Problem is, I'm already seeing the cry of 'victim' and it's a label that is a choice to, among other things, absolve one of personal responsibility.  Nope.  Not feeding into it.  Victim does not equal no responsibility.  Submissive doesn't equal no responsibility.  And, while the directness with which I speak may be off-putting, the op is at an age where the grown-up world is a reality and has the opportunity to make the hard choice to shake off the mantle of 'victim' and take responsibility for how she walks forward.  I hope that she uses her inner resources to do so. 
Davan

.......i am tkaing responisbiltiy...is my fault i let him do that i let him in my life not only that let him come back into my life.

in no ways am i saying it wasnt any of my fault cause it was...but that doesn't mean it didn't scare me.

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