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forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 9:03:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just came home from the gym and had a humiliating experience! A Domme I had recently been playing with had asked me if i would ever be willing to do a bi scene, and i replied that i would rather not. She was very persistant in telling me how much that would turn her on. i still denied, however she started using various schemes as a form of punishment for me. They included watching gay porn and bringing myself to orgasm while watching or looking at various magazines. If I didnt do as she said I was severly punished. Well to make a long story short I got done working out and was in the shower and i became erect looking at other men and was humiliated! Do you believe that people can be brainwashed ? Just curious
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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 9:11:53 AM   
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I don't see this as a form of brainwashing. The Domina had explained to you in detail what your punishments would be if you didn't comply with what she wanted. The details of the punishments may have been a triggering factor in your arousal. You could have been taking a shower alone, and the memory of what she had said, could have brought on your erection. But then again, maybe there is a part of you that secretly likes the idea of being with another male, or not so much being with him, as much as pleasing your Domina. Either way, it is an avenue that can be explored. Have fun!
 
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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 9:55:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		We're all a little gay, and denial can actually intensify what may only be a vague curiosity - it may even be displacement in this instance, i.e., you're really getting hard for her, but she has succeeded in displacing it, i.e., you're getting stimulated by seeing other men as a roundabout route to the cootchie.

Domme's should be aware you can significantly fuck up a guys life this way, as there is far less cultural tolerance and frankly, outright hostility to homosexuality as opposed to les/bi, the latter of which is actually more attractive than repulsive.

i.e., he could lose his job, get beat up, etc. - not even flamers perv randomly in locker rooms, it's considered very anti-social..

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 10:02:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I once did guy in a threesome because I was trying to impress the girl, whom I had a serious crush on, and I have endured significant prejudice on account of this from time to time ever since, although it occurred way back in the Seventies, when homoerotic experimentation was no big deal, and the upshot for me was to simply confirm my fundamentally heterosexual orientation - times change.

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 10:05:24 AM   
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It is a conformity tactic and used often in lots of different areas (military or industrial).

If it was just days or weeks you must be easily susceptible or just a little more bi than you had previously thought.


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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 10:35:17 AM   
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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 10:59:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is conditioning.

I have a headache so I'm just copying this definition from dictionary.com:

Conditioned:
"Psychology. proceeding from or dependent on a conditioning of the individual; learned; acquired: conditioned behavior patterns."
 
You were conditioned for a certain response, to certain stimuli.

Like Pavlov's dogs.

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 11:03:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Technically, this is operant conditioning rather than classical, as a there is a positive reinforcement involved.

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 11:07:33 AM   
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OP, you've been on CM since 2004?! WELCOME to the forums!

Have FUN!

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 11:55:56 AM   
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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 12:27:07 PM   
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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 12:34:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sixpack

I just came home from the gym and had a humiliating experience! A Domme I had recently been playing with had asked me if i would ever be willing to do a bi scene, and i replied that i would rather not. She was very persistant in telling me how much that would turn her on. i still denied, however she started using various schemes as a form of punishment for me. They included watching gay porn and bringing myself to orgasm while watching or looking at various magazines. If I didnt do as she said I was severly punished. Well to make a long story short I got done working out and was in the shower and i became erect looking at other men and was humiliated! Do you believe that people can be brainwashed ? Just curious


Perhaps this is evidence that the saying is true: "No one is actually one hundred percent gay or one hundred percent straight. Life just isn't that black and white."?


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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 4:16:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sixpack

I just came home from the gym and had a humiliating experience! A Domme I had recently been playing with had asked me if i would ever be willing to do a bi scene, and i replied that i would rather not. She was very persistant in telling me how much that would turn her on. i still denied, however she started using various schemes as a form of punishment for me. They included watching gay porn and bringing myself to orgasm while watching or looking at various magazines. If I didnt do as she said I was severly punished. Well to make a long story short I got done working out and was in the shower and i became erect looking at other men and was humiliated! Do you believe that people can be brainwashed ? Just curious


In any D/s relationship there are still well negotiated boundaries.

If this is something that you actually crave, but can't admit, and she senses that, it is one thing.  If it is not, hard limits are hard limits. To hell with her and tell her to go to hell and find another Domme. 

I have had 100% straight submissives before.  I would never force them to go against their nature.  It would be a large message that I do not care for them.

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 4:24:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		i never wanted to get an erection today...it was an accident! Thats all ive known for the past monthes...my only way for release so when i saw it or many of them in person ..it just happened!

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 4:30:48 PM   
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i never wanted to get an erection today...it was an accident! Thats all ive known for the past monthes...my only way for release so when i saw it or many of them in person ..it just happened!


Yes, exactly. Your Domme has conditioned you to have this response. Therefore your body is being obedient to her will, when this happens. So then why are you so upset about it? You do not wish to be obedient to her?

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 4:40:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sixpack

i never wanted to get an erection today...it was an accident! Thats all ive known for the past monthes...my only way for release so when i saw it or many of them in person ..it just happened!


Yes, exactly. Your Domme has conditioned you to have this response. Therefore your body is being obedient to her will, when this happens. So then why are you so upset about it? You do not wish to be obedient to her?


Ummmm... he is not a dog.  Don't fuck with his head like that.  If he is not into it he isn't.  If he is bi-curious, but not ready to go there yet, it is not for her to decide on something that big by trying to force him.  The out and out cruelty and lack of caring of some Dommes never ceases to astonish me.  Yes I know, the image is that you are the worst bitch ever.  Even that has boundaries.  He should tell her to go to hell - and you too.


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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 4:43:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Your saying it has been going on for months, I don't if it is brainwashing or not.  I guess I wonder why you stay unless some part of you at some level likes this MF she is doing with you.

I am of the belief that very few are 100% straight or gay, I think sexuality is on a continuum and most of us fall somewhere between. Now I am not saying that this means most want to have sex or automatically feel an attraction to the same sex, but that most can become sexually attracted to the same sex. Of course there are a lot of social taboos, particularly for men.

Personally I love watching 2 men together it is one of my fetishes. Would I try to force a sub with no interest or with strong negative feelings to perform bi acts? No I wouldn't. But I don't judge other people's kinks or how they play in this lifestyle and would assume that if you are still with her then it must be the right relationship for you at this time.

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 4:48:15 PM   
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Perhaps this is evidence that the saying is true: "No one is actually one hundred percent gay or one hundred percent straight. Life just isn't that black and white."?



I guess I just bow that therory all to hell then.. :)  being 100% straight and all..

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 4:49:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wouldn't go joining the parade so soon.  Might have just been seeing the guys reminded you of what turned your Mistress on, and since you like to please her, it turned you on....could be something just as simple as that.  

I've had slaves that were in no way, shape, or form attracted to other men, but did what I asked just to please me.   They were really turned on not so much by the act, but the thought of being so submissive to me.  If you are sticking around, then maybe that is why.  Even if there is an attraction, nothing wrong with it, but gives you and your Mistress move avenues to explore.  

I'm assuming that before you two started the journey, that there was a lot of discussion on limits...apparently this wasn't a limit for you or at least it was a soft one.  Hopefully you didn't list this as a hard limit and she ignored you, and as I said you are still with her, so deep down you must not mind or you would've given your safeword and been out of there on the first night.

No need to rent time on the couch just yet.  You'll be fine.  :>

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 4:52:50 PM   
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In any D/s relationship there are still well negotiated boundaries.

If this is something that you actually crave, but can't admit, and she senses that, it is one thing.  If it is not, hard limits are hard limits. To hell with her and tell her to go to hell and find another Domme. 

I have had 100% straight submissives before.  I would never force them to go against their nature.  It would be a large message that I do not care for them.


   "Don't compromise yourself....you're all you've got" - Janis Joplin.  D/s comes and goes and what you do, you will have to live with.

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