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ORIGINAL: Owner59

What does "slewed" mean?

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Is there nothing sacred ? I have no doubt that this pilot pretty much saved the day, but now senior NTSB investigator Robert Benzon has informed the AP the "probe into the crash landing will take a year".

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Two days before flight 1549 crashed, passengers on the same plane cited a series of loud bangs, and were told by the crew that they could be forced to make an emergency landing. The NTSB (et al) have cnfirmed that this was the same plane, tail number N106US. The crew told the passengers the plane was experiencing "compression locks".

The FAA specifically warned that the CFM56-5B engines used on the plane were prone to compressor stalls, and on Dec 13, 2008 issued an "airworthiness directive" urging all airlines to inspect this type of engine. Kirk Koening, President of Expert Aviation Consulting told Newsday on Jan. 20 that these compressor stalls can cause permanent damage to the engines.

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Mind you the exact same plane had similar problems just two days before. That time it didn't fall down, the next time it did. I don't mean the same kind of plane, I mean the exact same one.

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The FAA had already ordered heightened inspection procedures for these things, and if I know much about engines and stuff, if they had performed these inspections there would likely be a guy hanging off the side by a wrench literally hanging on by the last bolt if they had only two days. When you get to a really close inspection that could include Xrays of all the impellers and, two days ?  Even working three shifts I doubt it. On the other hand some of the warnings had been issued a couple of weeks before, so if that's true, and more believable that they had done the inspections,  what good did they do ? It failed anyway.

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What's more, why do they use that plane when it just had problems two days before ?

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Well Sully didn't make that decision, he may have been walking up to the plane thinking 'I hope they got this thing fixed',  and went on and did his job. Nothing can take that away from him, imagine the skill involved if you know anything about physics, or something like that. Remember skipping stones across a lake or a river ? Try that with a popsicle stick. How many people would just start praying or something in that situation ?

This is from the AFP and I have basically just used the bare facts with names because I am not that good a typist, but moreso because the article this info came from was written by one of those dern conspiracy theorists. So far none of this falls on Sully, but being a conspiracy theorist he asked an interesting question.

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Is Sully's silence possibly a clue that he does not want to implicitly partake in a coverup ?

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That's what I meant by 'is nothing sacred ?'. How I take that is that he is going along with the program, being a good company Man of course, but also not entertaining all these questions is he simply refusing to lie ? Was the author condemning or commending ? (try typing that real fast three times) Or both or neither ?

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And what is the truth ? You know if I have a car that stalls, I fix it or have it fixed or drive something else. Wouldn't you think with an airplane ............. well if you don't get it forget it.

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I think the author of the article is alluding to the fact that he expected to see Sully do the tour, Oprah, Letterman, probably be quite the hit on Tyra. Whoever's out there anyway, is Letterman still around ?

The human interest media value is great indeed. Even if he "did the tour" under the condition that nothing woud be brought up about the company or all that, some of these shows could focus on the actual experience instead and crank some pretty damn good ratings. In other words, why haven't we seen more of him ?

I would do it and take the money. I would just tell them that as long as the investigation goes on I can't say anything, and add that there is ALWAYS an investigation.

Or shall we assume the worst and say the "flock of geese" was code for compressor stall ?

And, just to assert that I am not a conspiracy theorist, I take no notice of the fact that there is any investigation. All plane crashes need to be investigated. It's not always an investigation looking for malfeasance or sabotage, things like that, it might be conducted by metalurgists, who knows. We need to know what failed and why ?

Backing up a bit, these CFM 56-5Bs have been in service how long ? And just now this problem crops up. Don't get me wrong, I work in a technical field and know it can happen. But at that point some sort of repair, modification or retrofit is in order if you want to keep running the thing. If that's what it is then so be it, but then those repairs should be made on all such units before things start to happen.

So should they just ground all the planes with these engines ?

There is another aspect to this. Let's say there is a big coverup, and revelations could hurt our economy. They would.  Reducing consumer confidence in commercial airflight is nothing to sneeze at, and the fact that aircraft are one of the few things we actually sell and make money on. So is it Sully's patriotic duty to just keep his mouth shut ?

If you press my buttons I can source the article somehow, but I would rather not. I would rather source the sources. The author's point of view is slewed, and I don't want that factored in.  Just your opinions and input as usual.

T

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Sully's modesty may be simply due to the fact that in-flight emergencies are something they train for, that he had the skills for this one, and it wasn't a miracle.  (Many pilots say it was fantastic flying but it wasn't a "miracle" - it's the (non-aviator) media calling it a miracle.)

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ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire

It's all a conspiracy. One of the pets drowned in the cargo hold of the jet was slated to be a candidate for "first dog." The GOP knew they had to take that Dem Dog out. So they staged this elaborate "accident" to make sure that the Obama girls were deprived of their pet. The dog was retrieved by a crack team of black ops SEALS and spirited away on a black helicopter, extraordinarily renditioned to a prison overseas, where Carl Rove is personally overseeing the pooch'e waterboarding. It is their hope to program the dog into a "Manchurian" pet, and be able to take out the Obama family when the code signal is given.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

OK Thorn we have several possibilities, two days before there were not enough birds, then there were.

I don't mean to make it oversimplistic, but there is an air filter on your car engine. If these engines are more susceptible to bird guts, shouldn't something be done about it ? I understand the enormous amount of air they take in, thus causing difficulties in designing any kind of screen or filter, but once you put a Man on the moon you should be able to handle a flock of geese.

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My OP tries to bring not only this, but other things to light.

Perhaps the last part was to light up the conspiracy theorists, to point out that there is something onto which they can grab, to further their goals. I don't mind discussing it, and it might be good here. I don't buy into everything, but when someone brings a valid question, to actually label them officially, at least a valid answer is warranted aforehand. If the people who believe that we can trust the "cooperative" between media, government and business, I give them a chance as well.

As I said, EVERY plane crash should be investigated, and if it is found to be a fifteen cent transistor made in bumfict Argentina or a $14,000 Bosch injector, we should know.

Every question about the technicalities are likely to remain unanswered, but at the end, what is sacred ? Company Man, ex-military, would do nothing against his country, which would include hurting our export business or or transpartation, if the theorist's theory is true, can you really accuse the Man ?

Continue on as it was, I just wanted to bring up the point that this was a significant part of the query I intended to induce with the OP. How much and how long does one keep their mouth shut ?

I don't mean to dodge the issue in any way, the company probably did put profits ahead of people, and if that is found to be true, maybe he just doesn't want to be a part of it.

Smart Man, we need more like him even if what I have said in complete supposition is true  I have done this, I have been told by employers that if I did not do as they ask it might be the end of us. Being the big fish in the small pond I take it seriously, so maybe Sully does as well. How can I fault what I respect ? They give me a good living and while I don't kill people, I have done a few things that are say, less than above board. It takes quite a bit for me to be actually dishonest and I avoid it like the plague, but the fact is that I will do it if the stakes are great enough.

Perhaps I should have titled this "Honesty via Silence".

Be well, and now that the phone has rung (people I actually DID want to talk to) some may have gotten a post in edgewise so to speak. If so I will address that later.

Whatever you say, just mean it.

T

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
How much and how long does one keep their mouth shut ?

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ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire

Just chalk this thing up to the usual media coverage arc:

Someone does something heroic.

The media (mostly TV) covers the heroic act, and the US falls in love with them.

The Story begins to age, and less interest is shown in the hero. (15 minutes of fame)

In an effort to keep the story going, and to fill air time, the media (mostly TV) looks into the hero's background and rakes up anything questionable.

The hero is then turned into an object of nactional scorn and revulsion.

It's a cycle.
Remember the guy who found the pipe bomb at the olympics? Same thing.

He finds a bomb and worans people. Hooray!

Suddenly he is suspected of planting the bomb himself, just so he could become a "celebrity". Boo hiss!

He goes to court, and is vindicated of any wrong doing.

All the American public remembers is that he, the hero, was suspected of planting the bomb.

Considering this sort of thing happens all the time, why would anyone ever seek out publicity for a heroic act? In the end your life would just be turned upside down for nothing. You'd end up being cast as a villian, or have your deepest personal secrets spread out for the US to look over and judge.

I feel for Capt. Sully. He still will be raked over the coals for weeks if noth months to come. All for the "crime" of doing his job perfectly, and saving his passengers and crew.
It's just another example of how things have become fucked up in this country.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

OK Thorn we have several possibilities, two days before there were not enough birds, then there were.

I don't mean to make it oversimplistic, but there is an air filter on your car engine. If these engines are more susceptible to bird guts, shouldn't something be done about it ? I understand the enormous amount of air they take in, thus causing difficulties in designing any kind of screen or filter, but once you put a Man on the moon you should be able to handle a flock of geese.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
As I said, EVERY plane crash should be investigated, and if it is found to be a fifteen cent transistor made in bumfict Argentina or a $14,000 Bosch injector, we should know.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Every question about the technicalities are likely to remain unanswered, but at the end, what is sacred ? Company Man, ex-military, would do nothing against his country, which would include hurting our export business or or transpartation, if the theorist's theory is true, can you really accuse the Man ?

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

So, did we ever decide who was on the grassy knoll?

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ORIGINAL: corysub

All I know about engines is you have to turn a key to start them.  My question is this.  Passengers, I beleive, saw flames coming out of the engine.  Is that normal for a compression failure..or do the engines just choke and stop running?