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DIAPERS....Fetish or Kinky?? - 8/13/2004 4:05:54 PM   
MASTERMarcNNJ


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Status: offline 		For the past several years, since discovering the Adult Diaper community, I have incorporated the usage of diapers, both cloth and disposable, as part of training sessions, discipline and humiliation. Within our lifestyle, there are many fetishes and kinky scenes that are part of our lifestyle and daily play. I find that incorporating "diapers" into a scene of training or punishment adds a unique dimension to our scene and for my slave's. I have also become very aware that many submissive's and/or slaves like to wear diapers with their leathers, chaps, pants, chastity shorts, briefs etc. And yet we do not often hear to much of the usage of diapers by others and yet we hear about boot worship, foot worship, cbt, nipple play, shaving, verbal humiliation, k9, etc.

What I would like to know from both the MASTERS and slave's is what are YOUR thoughts and feelings about the usage of diapers in the leather scenes i.e. punishment, discipline, training etc. AND besides the usage of diapers are there any submissive's or slave's who like to go even deeper into the scene i.e. regression, infantilism, etc.?? And also, are there any MASTERS who enjoy putting their slave's into diapers and plastic pants and even role play into Regression and infantilism. Does your slave accept this form of play from YOU his MASTER or does he fight it or reject it. OR...does your slave enjoy this type of play, but is fearful of telling you about it?? I'd be interested in your thoughts.

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RE: DIAPERS....Fetish or Kinky?? - 8/13/2004 4:20:44 PM   
Leonidas


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Status: offline 		Slaves in my lifestyle subculture aren't generally even allowed panties (anything that covers the genitals), and so diapers would be pretty much out of the question.

I think that the difference between "fetish" and "kinky" in this context is lost on me. My working definition of fetish would be something that you enjoy to the point of having a fixation about it. My working definition of "kinky" would be something that you enjoy at least partly because of the thrill that comes from your perception that it is "naughty" or "taboo". When talking about actions like putting a diaper on an adult or infantilism, the difference between the two is hair-splitting, as far as I'm concerned.

In my admittedly limited explosure to leather communities, I haven't really seen any diaper/age play. I have seen those practices almost exclusively in more open, free-for-all play-party situations. I wonder if diaper fetishism / age play is something new in leather communities.

As far as my personal views go, there probably isn't any way that I could fully express how disinterested I am in putting a diaper on an adult. I can't think of a single objective that I would have in training a slave that would be furthered by doing so.

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RE: DIAPERS....Fetish or Kinky?? - 8/13/2004 4:37:59 PM   
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quote:

What I would like to know from both the MASTERS and slave's is what are YOUR thoughts and feelings about the usage of diapers in the leather scenes


M. Marc-

I haven't seen Leather Diapers, and they seem a poor idea. How would one clean them? (Iknow, I know, that's the boy's job/problem).


Seriuosly, I (as Leonidas is) am not sure what you distinction you draw between fetish and kinky.

If it were a fetish, one would find diapers arousing all by their lonesome, even outside of the context of a scene. I suppose that usuing them in a scene might be considered kinky...

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RE: DIAPERS....Fetish or Kinky?? - 8/13/2004 5:12:15 PM   
iwillserveu


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Status: offline 		They are a kinky fetish.

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RE: DIAPERS....Fetish or Kinky?? - 8/13/2004 5:15:25 PM   
jillwfsub4blkdom


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Status: offline 		Leonidas,
i can't believe how diplomatically You answered that

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RE: DIAPERS....Fetish or Kinky?? - 8/13/2004 5:19:12 PM   
Leonidas


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Status: offline 		Well, January says that I am the Gorean ambassador. I'd hate to become known as the Gorean Invader instead *grin*.

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RE: DIAPERS....Fetish or Kinky?? - 8/13/2004 5:31:29 PM   
Leonidas


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I haven't seen Leather Diapers, and they seem a poor idea. How would one clean them? (Iknow, I know, that's the boy's job/problem).


It's just like taking care of your boots, Lawrence. If you wait till they're already soaked through and muddy, you're fucked. Lots of mink oil, saddle soap, or something similar beforehand I would think. It may not work so well, but at least you could slide the slave around fairly easily. Maybe even play a little slave shuffleboard.

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RE: DIAPERS....Fetish or Kinky?? - 8/13/2004 7:01:08 PM   
Destinysskeins


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Status: offline 		Greetings!

First of all, may i commend You, MASTERMarcNNJ on Your openness on this topic. This is a realm of the community that i've seldom seen expressed with such aplumb. It is truly nice to see. :)

Secondly, may i state (albeit i may be mistaken) that i do not believe that MasterMarcNNJ was referring to the use of actual leather diapers but rather the use of diapers in conjuction with more main stream leather activities and apparel.

And finally, i'd like to add my own personal experiences with diapers, AB/DL play, age play and infantilism...

i was completely unaware of even the existence of these activities before meeting my former Master. Suffice it to say that i was a bit unnerved initially (ok, maybe shocked is a better phrase). However, He understood my reservations and was patient with me..allowing me to take needed time to digest the newness of it all. i mulled it about in my head, reflecting upon the fact that it was something greatly enjoyed by my Master and decided that as such, i could surely attempt it for Him. The first time that i was placed into diapers by Him and saw the look of absolute pleasure in His eyes i knew that this was going to become an integral part of my life. And knowing that this pleased Him so, i was happy for it to be so.

As my time with Him continued diapers did become more and more a part of my life. He began having me wear them each evening to bed, used other ageplay devices and the threat of 24/7 diaper wearing in order to encourage me to stop smoking (the thought of embarrassment involved for me wearing diapers to work was very encouraging!). Diapers and ageplay also worked in very nicely with humilation play & discipline - being forced to wet them is more difficult than one can imagine if you haven't actually tried it before (just think of the years and years of conditioning that most people have had NOT to wet their pants!). In addition, with the diaper play included in O/our relationship, i found it to be a gentler sort of D/s. Much more along the lines of the DD/bg roles - with Him being very caring, nurturing, supportive and yet firm and decisive when needed.

As for what aspects i'd personally like to go deeper into...

i've already experienced the diaper play incorporated into rope bondage, leather restraints, etc (which i absolutely loved). Since my own original and personal kink is bondage and restraint, i would love to incorporate these aspects with the age play and diapers even more. Full sized adult cribs with rails that cover the top and which can be locked would be way cool :D. These i've seen and are readily available for purchase. Also, there are age play clothes designed to facilitate bondage...sleepers with footies and mittens that lock in place, etc.

So yeah, basically i went from being completely uneducated about AB/DL to being actively involved and enjoying it. What can i say except i'm a freaky little kinksters!

Oh, yeah as for the fetish/kink question.....i agree with the kinky fetish comment!

Well wishes!

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RE: DIAPERS....Fetish or Kinky?? - 8/13/2004 7:15:34 PM   
ElkhartGuy


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Status: offline 		*waves* hello there. i am Destiny's former master and the one to introduce her to diapers in both the realm of age play and restraint. in each relationship, however, it will take on a different tone or feel as the dom and sub each work out their own feelings and openness to a subject that is somewhat "fringe" even among the D/s community.

as far as my own perspective. its a fetish for me. there arent many things that turn me on more than seeing a sexy woman in a diaper. destiny sure takes the cake with that! but in order to help her facilitate the transition into a new field, i had to help adapt them to suit her own kinks. as she said before, shes a bondage girl....so to begin with, i used diapers on her to give her the feeling being bound and helpless. beyond that, we just let it grow and explored it as we wanted to.

i love diapers. i think that they are an excellent form of punishment, humiliation, bondage....as well as a great psychological tool for regression or more. if you have any questions or comments, please feel free to write! be good, and have fun!

chad

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RE: DIAPERS....Fetish or Kinky?? - 8/13/2004 11:47:50 PM   
Thanatosian


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Status: offline 		most assuredly a kinky fetish - not diapers themselves but adult woman (or women) in diapers

the use I have put them to is as an adjunct to Bathroom Controls/Restrictions
also as punishment/motivation/humiliation tool - the look on her face as an adult woman overcomes all her training and inhibitions and pees in her diaper - oh so priceless
have also combined with shaving my sub then powdering and diapering her


and while it is not something I do on a regular basis, it is a nice departure from the same old, restrain you and flog you to orgasm and then fuck you silly type play

just my tuppence

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RE: DIAPERS....Fetish or Kinky?? - 8/17/2004 2:38:17 PM   
ElkhartGuy


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Status: offline 		anyone else have any sort of imput?

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RE: DIAPERS....Fetish or Kinky?? - 8/17/2004 2:49:26 PM   
gitta


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Status: offline 		Elkhart,

Sure i can offer my thoughts, but i am sure it is not what you seek..

.i have worked in state institutions for a great many years... for me diapers simply mean work i would rather not do, but do so with love for those who can not tend themselves.

Not all kink is not always black and white, and i have no problem with anyones kink, just for me it is not seen as such.., i see people damaged to a point they need them to have some dignity.

Just me, not asking for anyone to agree...

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RE: DIAPERS....Fetish or Kinky?? - 8/17/2004 2:51:52 PM   
wyldhearted


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Status: offline 		The said kinky fetish doesn't work for me. For myself, it would fall into humiliation which is a struggle for me. It wouldn't be a hard limit, as those I try to reserve for the most severe things or things that would be more detrimnental than I feel I could handle...but I definately hope to never have to go there!

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RE: DIAPERS....Fetish or Kinky?? - 8/17/2004 6:00:22 PM   
afmvdp


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Status: offline 		While I agree the title is a rather misleading one, to the topic it references. I can't say it really does anything for me. While I do fall into a Father figure mentality, that level of infantism is sort of escaping to me except to those with a violation fetish. For most of the people in the adult baby scene it isn't normally about humilation, as much as say something like sissification would be, but it is about a total lack of responsibility and a sense of total caring for. Perhaps sort of a regressive way for people who never experienced any or at least a "good" childhood to relive that part of their past. The last person I had affairs with in this realm had the pure fascination with the soiling of themselves aspect, the idea of having no control over even their own bodilly fluids. To just lose their very grip on any sense of conceieved response. The idea of pissing herself in diapers, while a hard concept for her to even be able to allow herself to do, just set her to almost immediate orgasm after the fact. It was interesting to watch I must admit...but removing the soiled diapers and administering cleanup sessions after such was quickly followed after by necessary punishment sessions.

haha...not certain what I am even saying any more. Think I should see if I still have that video actually. Quite interesting pictures to say the least.

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RE: DIAPERS....Fetish or Kinky?? - 8/17/2004 7:34:20 PM   
Destinysskeins


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Status: offline 		*grins* ok, i have to reply to this yet again because i promised ElkhartGuy that i'd upload a diaper pic of me if there were more responses......and since He drummed them up i suppose i have to hold up my end ;)

But, just to make it meaningful in some way, i'll add a few more thoughts. As for me, i greatly identify with the DD/bg realm as well. No, it's not making up for my childhood as i have wonderful parents. Yes, i did relish the feeling of being cared for, however, the aspects i had the most difficulty with were the ones in which i felt a loss of personal responsiblity. (ok, so a little odd and hard to explain)




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RE: DIAPERS....Fetish or Kinky?? - 1/6/2008 12:18:50 AM   
spike19


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RE: DIAPERS....Fetish or Kinky?? - 1/6/2008 8:10:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well spike, this sort of thing is just too digusting for most bdsm folks-or too much work.. Seems to be a number one hard limit with the majority.

I've used it with considerable impact in the past. It's a heavy duty control form. Which may be why so many fear it-it's going to break someone down at pretty basic levels that they can't just shrug off. And if done long enough-they really don't have any choice about submitting to it, thier own body will make sure of that.

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RE: DIAPERS....Fetish or Kinky?? - 1/6/2008 8:20:32 AM   
spike19


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Status: offline 		leatherist, I commend you for even answering! I feel so very strange in that I seemed to have missed the interest in most of the rest of forms of bondage, and gone straight for the heart of the matter then.  If the dom doesn't have to be the one to clean things up, does that improve things any? Oh, and restricting the play to going #1 would help too I would think.  Thoughts?

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RE: DIAPERS....Fetish or Kinky?? - 1/6/2008 8:20:58 AM   
Leatherist


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Status: offline 		It's not always just about a fetish or ageplay.

Some of us actually use these things to have a phsychological impact. Deny it as you will-what is done to control a body also has it's effects on the mind. Those of us who are interested in such things use varying methodologies that get us there.

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RE: DIAPERS....Fetish or Kinky?? - 1/6/2008 8:23:58 AM   
DesFIP


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Status: offline 		If you can't really enjoy yourself without the use of diapers, it's a fetish.

For most people, diapers involve scat and scat is something most of us avoid. So of course there's little interest in diapers.

And for people who enjoy sex with their bdsm, then diapers rule that out which would ruin the scene for someone like me for whom this is very sexual.

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