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RE: I'm not sure - 2/19/2009 9:12:16 AM   
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And maybe if you didn't carry a purse, you wouldn't have gotten robbed.
And maybe if women didn't look so hot, there would be no rape.
And maybe if you pleased someone in every way, they wouldn't domestically abuse you.
And maybe if you didn't have a relationship with anyone, you wouldn't get your heart broke.
And maybe if you didn't have life, life wouldn't happen to you.

Blaming the victim (who doesn't need to remain a victim) isn't what I consider productive.  Playing victim overly long isn't productive either... but you cannot blame the actions of one, on someone else.

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RE: I'm not sure - 2/19/2009 9:19:41 AM   
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I don't care if you find my comments productive.
Constantly asking someone if he's going to do something is likely to:  put the idea in his head as constantly as you ask him and make it seem appealing.  She chooses to stay with him so I don't see her as a victim, it's her choice.


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RE: I'm not sure - 2/19/2009 9:47:57 AM   
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So talking about something she felt was happening, which already was... as she asked about someone he was all ready in communication with.. gave him the idea or desire to cheat and lie about it?

Victimized doesn't mean victim for long unless we allow it in a situation like this AND what her response is hasn't yet been determined. 

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RE: I'm not sure - 2/19/2009 9:49:58 AM   
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I only brought it up twice before and after two time isn't a lot

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RE: I'm not sure - 2/19/2009 10:00:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

So talking about something she felt was happening, which already was... as she asked about someone he was all ready in communication with.. gave him the idea or desire to cheat and lie about it?

Victimized doesn't mean victim for long unless we allow it in a situation like this AND what her response is hasn't yet been determined. 


I have a different take, if she brought it up more then once, that was her sign.  Obviously her gut was screaming at her.  It's just too bad she listened to him rather then her gut.

Daddysgurl, he lied and you believed.  He apoligised and you forgave, I think you opened the door for more of the same kind of behaviour.

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RE: I'm not sure - 2/19/2009 10:16:27 AM   
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Many who have been cheated on or lied to, don't decide right away what they will do.  They often hang on and try to make the relationship work.  Staying doesn't always mean forgiveness... just not a willingness to go yet.  Sometimes it takes a while to digest it all and work it all out.  Many who say that if someone lied to them they would be gone and many would be, but some say it and stay longer before they are prepared to go.  You weigh everything out... you suffer... you try...

Right now the op is asking questions becasue she is hurt and confused.  Who hasn't been with a liar or cheat who didn't feel these things and might have taken a while to sort it all out and do what they needed to do?  A rush to leave sometimes isn't the answer.  A need to stay isn't always the answer... but it sometimes takes a bit of time to sort that answer out.

Who that has been through this didn't ask the person they were in a relationship what was up?  Who didn't ask multiple or various questions getting to the root of things and not going on gut alone?  If there is someone that could do that... they are far better at these things than I am or many of us that have been there.

We all might do it differently... but I still stand on my comments that you cannot blame one person for what another does.  I will add... you cannot blame someone for repeatedly treating you badly if you allow it either.

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RE: I'm not sure - 2/19/2009 10:24:34 AM   
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thank you all for your thoughts im done here now i think so if you post i wont be watching...thank you again

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RE: I'm not sure - 2/19/2009 12:21:49 PM   
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If I told you what you should feel, would you feel differently?  How about you focus on what you do feel.  You're hurt and pissed off.  I don't know all the context here, but if you were having "long discussions" about it, I'm guessing that his sexual interest in this other woman was fairly clear.  So, you managed to extract an assertion from him that he wasn't going to act upon that interest (after a "long discussion") that he went back on.  Your first step out of your predicament is to recognize that your strategy of having a "long discussion" until he gives in ain't going to work.  Pretend for a moment that he just handed you a note that reads:

I MIGHT SAY WHAT I HAVE TO SAY TO SHUT YOU UP SOMETIMES, BUT I'M GOING TO DO AS I DAMN WELL PLEASE.

Read it, and believe it.  Now, do you still want to be there?  If so, how will you behave differently in the future, as not to waste your time and his, and set yourself up to be disappointed and pissed off again?  Notice I'm asking what you're going to do, not what he ought to do, or what you should try to get him to do.  In your situation, young Miss, that is all you can bank on.



That is one of the most decent posts I've read for quite a while.

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RE: I'm not sure - 2/19/2009 12:26:23 PM   
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What kind of weird fucked up attitude is that?

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RE: I'm not sure - 2/19/2009 6:48:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

I don't care if you find my comments productive.
Constantly asking someone if he's going to do something is likely to:  put the idea in his head as constantly as you ask him and make it seem appealing.  She chooses to stay with him so I don't see her as a victim, it's her choice.


It is sad to admit that this is very true in a lot of cases.  How many times have you heard a man say that if he's going to be accused of a "crime" and persecuted for it, he might as well actually commit it? 

I can honestly say that I'm familiar with men who feel that a woman's insecurity, if displayed prominently, is provocation enough to take steps to validate that insecurity.

In other words, those men can be pushed away by a woman trying to hold them too close... if it's done in a manner that rubs them the wrong way.

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RE: I'm not sure - 2/20/2009 11:34:51 AM   
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quote:

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proof was fact I confronted him he said he was sorry and would never do it again I'm not leaving but it doesn't feel right every thing going back to normal


Hello daddysgurl2l. It will never get back to ''normal''. You should consider this: does your lying dom wear a condom when he fucks around? How would you know? Because he told you? If you found out that he did not wear a condom, would his saying he is sorry make it all better?

This is a limit issue like any other. You were very clear about ''not going there'' but he went anyway. If it does not feel
right, maybe it is because it is not. You only have to evaluate if you are better than this. Good luck. RL

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RE: I'm not sure - 2/20/2009 3:09:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Leonidas

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysgurl2l

if a sub asks her owner if he's going to sleep with another woman she knows of and he says he will not after a long disscusion and the
sub says if he must she would simply like to know if he's going to and he still says he's not going to sleep with the woman .... a week later the sub finds out he did after all without telling her and there never being any other
women does it make sense for the sub to be hurt what should the sub feel?


If I told you what you should feel, would you feel differently?  How about you focus on what you do feel.  You're hurt and pissed off.  I don't know all the context here, but if you were having "long discussions" about it, I'm guessing that his sexual interest in this other woman was fairly clear.  So, you managed to extract an assertion from him that he wasn't going to act upon that interest (after a "long discussion") that he went back on.  Your first step out of your predicament is to recognize that your strategy of having a "long discussion" until he gives in ain't going to work.  Pretend for a moment that he just handed you a note that reads:

I MIGHT SAY WHAT I HAVE TO SAY TO SHUT YOU UP SOMETIMES, BUT I'M GOING TO DO AS I DAMN WELL PLEASE.

Read it, and believe it.  Now, do you still want to be there?  If so, how will you behave differently in the future, as not to waste your time and his, and set yourself up to be disappointed and pissed off again?  Notice I'm asking what you're going to do, not what he ought to do, or what you should try to get him to do.  In your situation, young Miss, that is all you can bank on.


Leonidas, 
I believe every post I've ever read that you've penned demonstrates depthful understanding of human nature and the ability to 'boil things down'. 

OP, I would look at how this is likely to play out long-term.  People tend to be creatures of habit and I'm guessing you're not going to massively alter the way you relate nor is he.  The question becomes: are you still interested in relating with one another?  Unless you're a glutton for abuse (I almost used the word punishment but realized that was wrong) and/or have a dramatic personality-type that is gratified by these sort of exchanges/situations, I'd put the situation out of its misery. 
As for how you should feel, emotions are automatic. Cognitions and actions are not. 
  Davan

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RE: I'm not sure - 2/20/2009 6:14:28 PM   
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...what should the sub feel?
How in the world should we know how you should feel.  Just start your next OP like this saying,

"He cheated, please give me sympathy"


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RE: I'm not sure - 2/20/2009 6:35:40 PM   
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RE: I'm not sure - 2/20/2009 6:45:43 PM   
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Actions speak louder than words......... 

You have every right to whatever your own feelings are.  Your choices are either go or stay in your relationship...Since you've discussed your feelings with him already.. all you can do is suck it up, put it behind you and move forward.......

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RE: I'm not sure - 2/21/2009 4:16:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysgurl2l
...what should the sub feel?
How in the world should we know how you should feel.  Just start your next OP like this saying,

"He cheated, please give me sympathy"



*sigh*  How many threads on this board have an underlying motive of validation?  Including your own RS?

Look, people in M/s or D/s relationships don't always have an outlet for discussing their feelings which is why a message board is helpful.  Who is daddysgurl21 supposed to go to?  Should she just keep her hurt feelings to herself for fear no one will understand?  She probably can't express herself to her munch group, if she has one, maybe her best friend is vanilla and doesn't fully understand the dynamic.  Should we limit threads to exclude any "am I normal?" "how should I feel?" "is this okay?"  and then why not limit threads further to exclude any of the "Let me tell you how great I am" threads.

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RE: I'm not sure - 2/21/2009 4:42:15 AM   
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A lie is a lie...if he lied about this...he will surely lie about something else...believe me...I hope you feel better soon.  If you decide to stay with him that is your choice, but remember the quote..."Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice...shame on ME!"  Good luck.

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RE: I'm not sure - 2/23/2009 2:19:17 AM   
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I'm not answering for anyone but myself here, but ....... I don't believe in lies...for any reason.... if I'm lied to, I don't like it, I won't stand for it...so why would I think it's ok for me to lie to my slave....why would I want to..why would I need to?  I have no doubt that my girl would be hurt if I lied to her, and I wouldn't expect her not to be.

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RE: I'm not sure - 3/2/2009 8:42:43 PM   
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thanks

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RE: I'm not sure - 3/3/2009 7:49:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysgurl2l

if a sub asks her owner if he's going to sleep with another woman she knows of and he says he will not after a long disscusion and the
sub says if he must she would simply like to know if he's going to and he still says he's not going to sleep with the woman .... a week later the sub finds out he did after all without telling her and there never being any other
women does it make sense for the sub to be hurt what should the sub feel?


Well, He is a Master and He's going to do what He's going to do.  It would be one thing if He'd just said that, BUT He lied to you and THAT is what gets me.  If Master lied to me, that would mean i could not trust Him.....and you need to be able to trust your Master.  Just my opinion, that's all.....you have every right to feel whatever you feel.  Feelings can't be argued with.

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