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SimplyIsaac -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 8:30:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales I have to ask a question that has long been bothering me. How can anyone who is in the d/s world to the point of being on this board support the conservative agenda. Financial policy aside, it seems these people are dedicated to our eradication. Does anyone think that a group vocally against reproductive rights, gay rights, free speech rights in the matter of pornography are going to at all support the rights of "whip swinging perverts" like us? You know...you bring up something that's been nagging me a little bit about the streak of subtle flavor of conservative political talk on this board for a little while now. I agree, it's a little odd. I mean, there was this conversation going on where one such person (while bashing Obama) was basically saying no one can prove cigarettes are bad for you! Talk about zombies brainwashed by corporate republican rhetoric... But you know, I'm not really a 'liberal' either.

Lorr47 -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 8:33:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 Is that supposed to be funny? quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 I would say Clinton was closer to rapist than Bush. Isn't using your office to pressure others into having sex akin to rape? And isn't that what he did when he was governor of Arkansas? Edited to add: Clinton was a much better and more accomplished liar than Bush could ever dream of being. You mean to say that you actually believe those women without water boarding them first? Given your recent statements, it was a rhetorical question. I thought people espousing your beliefs died out years ago. Attend any good lynchings lately?

MissSepphora1 -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 8:39:15 PM)
You're calling me a RACIST because I stated that Clinton used sexual harrassment during his term as a governor? If he didn't, why did he pay Paula Jones almost a million dollars? I think you are WAY out of line here. quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 Is that supposed to be funny? quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 I would say Clinton was closer to rapist than Bush. Isn't using your office to pressure others into having sex akin to rape? And isn't that what he did when he was governor of Arkansas? Edited to add: Clinton was a much better and more accomplished liar than Bush could ever dream of being. You mean to say that you actually believe those women without water boarding them first? Given your recent statements, it was a rhetorical question. I thought people espousing your beliefs died out years ago. Attend any good lynchings lately?

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 8:42:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 Do you know anything about what he did as governor? Do you know Clinton paid Paula Jones $850,000? I'm a fountain of useless information. Yes, Bill Clinton paid $850,000 to settle the sexual misconduct suit brought about by Paula Jones after Orin Hatch, chairman of the judiciary committee let it be known that any arrangement to stop impeachment proceedings, based on his lying about getting a blowjob, was contingent upon his making the suit go away. To quote Mr. Hatch, ""I'd tell him: `Get rid of that doggone Paula Jones case. Yes, people will conclude that she was right and you were wrong, but you can conclude it on the basis of not admitting liability." It should also be noted that Ms. Jone's case had been dismissed by a court and was on appeal. Let's face it, some people want to believe Clinton was guilty just as some people want to believe that Clarenc Thomas was innocent. And I will go so far as to say that the reverse is true. However, there has yet to be any solid proof that Bill Clinton did anything wrong other than being unable to keep his pistol in his pocket. Personally, I don't spend as much time thinking about blowjobs I've gotten than the right wing seems to think about the blowjob Clinton got. I thought it was pretty funny. I've said it before, I'll say it again Clinton got a blowjob from a consenting adult over a decade ago Neither Clinton, Mrs. Clinton or the woman who gave the blowjob was complaining about it Clinton lied about receiving said blowjob The dress has dried The ship has sailed Get over it. I can, however, if 3,000 service men and tens of thousands of Iraqis had died, half a trillion dollars spent and the constitution been perverted in the name of "National Security" by said blowjob, I would take it far more seriously.

MasterShake69 -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 8:45:34 PM)
http://www.youdebate.com/DEBATES/Juanita_Broaddrick.HTM FROM LISA MYERS INTERVIEW WITH MSNBC We asked the White House more than two weeks ago: Please give us any information you have that would indicate that Bill Clinton was somewhere other than Little Rock on April 25, 1978, and therefore could not have done what Juanita Broaddrick alleges. We also asked the White House: Please tell us anything you know about Juanita Broaddrick, certainly anything that you think impairs her credibility. Again, we got nothing from the White House other than a statement by the president’s lawyer, David Kendall, denying any assault. MYERS: Well, first of all we have a date. Juanita remembers many things about what she says happened that day. She remembers the outfit she was wearing, she remembers the furnishings in the hotel room, she remembers that the room was on a high floor of the hotel, she remembers what time of year it was — that it was spring. One of the problems we had is that initially, as of today, in fact, Juanita Broaddrick did not remember the date. She remembered that the incident occurred in Little Rock, at the Camelot Hotel, at the nursing home convention in the spring. So what we had to go out and do was go back through records from 1978 and try to find out was there a nursing home convention at the Camelot, in Little Rock in the spring. And we learned, after great digging by some tenacious investigators and researchers for “Dateline,” that in fact there was a nursing home convention at the Camelot Hotel in Little Rock in April 1978, and in poring through state records we also found that Juanita Broaddrick received a credit for attending a nursing home seminar the same day, April 25. She now believes that was indeed the date of the incident. MSNBC: So you were able to place her there. Where you able to place Mr. Clinton there? MYERS: No. And that is one of the reasons that we could not immediately air the story. We needed to try to figure out: Was it possible that Bill Clinton was across the state that morning and therefore couldn’t possibly have been in Little Rock? One of the reasons we may never know the full truth of what happened is that other than Juanita Broaddrick, there was no witness. So far as we know, no one saw Bill Clinton enter or leave Broaddrick’s hotel room, or even saw him in the hotel. MSNBC: In terms of corroboration, was there any one thing that finally allowed NBC to be comfortable enough to air this story? MYERS: It was the culmination of a careful and extensive investigation. We were able to confirm a great number of the details around the edges and also eliminate the possibility of a newspaper account that put him elsewhere, or some other unpleasant surprise. And one of the things we’ve been doing is talking to a lot of people about Juanita Broaddrick. And based on everything we’ve heard, she’s a solid citizen, a respected businesswoman. quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 quote: So? We've had one so bent that the Commander-In-Chief was arguably a rapist, too. What's your point? Sanity, there may be hope for you yet. Calling Bush a rapist is close to realizing that he was a liar, murderer and a downright despicable human being. Who did the recovering alcoholic rape...other than Lady Liberty?

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 8:46:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Yeah. Specifically represented by the Fairness Doctrine. Also as represented by Obama's demands that the nearly trillion dollar spending bill be passed without anyone reading it or debating it. Yeah. A liberal phenomenon. quote: Limiting free speech a liberal phenomena? Nobody read it or debated it. Hahahaha that's fucking funny. So all those Repubs who opposed parts of it were opposing it because of what they THOUGHT might be in it? Ah hahahaha that is hilarious.

MissSepphora1 -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 8:48:25 PM)
Why don't we take this discussion somewhere else? You are free to c-mail me if you'd like to discuss the cause and effect of the Iraq war. quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 Do you know anything about what he did as governor? Do you know Clinton paid Paula Jones $850,000? I'm a fountain of useless information. Yes, Bill Clinton paid $850,000 to settle the sexual misconduct suit brought about by Paula Jones after Orin Hatch, chairman of the judiciary committee let it be known that any arrangement to stop impeachment proceedings, based on his lying about getting a blowjob, was contingent upon his making the suit go away. To quote Mr. Hatch, ""I'd tell him: `Get rid of that doggone Paula Jones case. Yes, people will conclude that she was right and you were wrong, but you can conclude it on the basis of not admitting liability." It should also be noted that Ms. Jone's case had been dismissed by a court and was on appeal. Let's face it, some people want to believe Clinton was guilty just as some people want to believe that Clarenc Thomas was innocent. And I will go so far as to say that the reverse is true. However, there has yet to be any solid proof that Bill Clinton did anything wrong other than being unable to keep his pistol in his pocket. Personally, I don't spend as much time thinking about blowjobs I've gotten than the right wing seems to think about the blowjob Clinton got. I thought it was pretty funny. I've said it before, I'll say it again Clinton got a blowjob from a consenting adult over a decade ago Neither Clinton, Mrs. Clinton or the woman who gave the blowjob was complaining about it Clinton lied about receiving said blowjob The dress has dried The ship has sailed Get over it. I can, however, if 3,000 service men and tens of thousands of Iraqis had died, half a trillion dollars spent and the constitution been perverted in the name of "National Security" by said blowjob, I would take it far more seriously.

Lorr47 -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 8:51:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 You're calling me a RACIST because I stated that Clinton used sexual harrassment during his term as a governor? If he didn't, why did he pay Paula Jones almost a million dollars? I think you are WAY out of line here. quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 Is that supposed to be funny? quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 I would say Clinton was closer to rapist than Bush. Isn't using your office to pressure others into having sex akin to rape? And isn't that what he did when he was governor of Arkansas? Edited to add: Clinton was a much better and more accomplished liar than Bush could ever dream of being. You mean to say that you actually believe those women without water boarding them first? Given your recent statements, it was a rhetorical question. I thought people espousing your beliefs died out years ago. Attend any good lynchings lately? You seem to dislike others based on race, color, creed and sexuality. I am dismayed at the number of statutes and legal cases that have been necessary to protect us from such thinking.

MissSepphora1 -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 8:52:12 PM)
Thank you MasterShake! I was starting to feel so alone! By the way, I love ATHF. Haven't watched in a while though.

corysub -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 8:56:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: Something that is blatently obvious about your statement that I don't believe anyone has noticed. That Ds isn't about being gay. Neither does it have to do with porn. It doesn't even have to have anything to do with BDSM. In fact, BDSM doesn't have to have anything to do with porn or gay sex either. Your question pretty much sounds as silly as asking why christians participate in DD or Ds. Don't confuse and mix up the whole lot and you can pretty much get why conservative supporters are and can be happily involved in Ds relationships. It could be you simply need to reformat your question? I have no desire to change my question. The fact is that the conservative financial agenda is tied in with the conservative social agenda and we are not part of it. I will instead, since you want to so distance yourself from other alternative sexualities, quote the words of Martin Niemoller, a German pastor and theologian about the results of such thinking. "In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist; And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist; And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew; And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."or, to use the words of Ben Franklin, "I we do not hang together we most assuredly hang separately" Funny I posted the same quote during the Obama primary campaign when the rhetoric was hot and heavy about the man's history of study of Sol Olinsky, his work as an activist street organizer, and his affiliations with people, to put it mildly, on the periphory of society, like a Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko, and the good Pastor who was happy that the "chickens came home to roost" when my friends, co-workers, and neighbors, were killed on 9/11. All of those concerns expressed by Sean Hannity and the head of the republican party Rush Limbaugh, and all the other right wingers on talk radio are coming to fruition, and we have only just passed the first month of his administration. Within this month we are seeing the biggest political payoff in history with a trillion dollars of spending in HR1, tens of billions of dollars going to be directed to the most irresponsible among us...from Wall Steet to Main Street, the beginning of the destruction of our healthcare system, the potential for nationalization of the banking system per the good Senator Dodd, and the take-over of General Motors by the government (really by the UAW). We witness a call to battle from the new Attorney General who insults every white person in this country with namecalling...we are "cowards when it comes to race"...coming from a black man, appointed by a black President, elected by white people....mis-informed white people but white nonetheless. We are on our way to becoming a second rate economic power to China and India with hundreds of billions of borrowed money being spent to build a "duplicate grid" to move the power of "windmills" to...I dunno...Disneyland maybe! Thousands of windmills across the beautiful horizon of the land...having to be backed up with fossil fuel generators since the wind can't be counted on ... O beautiful for spacious skies, dotted with the insanity of men, For amber waves of grain, not to feed the poor but gas tanks! For purple mountain majesties .... Above the fruited plain covered with towers catching the wind America! America! Where have you gone...my America!

MissSepphora1 -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 8:58:37 PM)
Show me ONCE where I said I didn't like ANYONE based on race, sexuality, or ANY of that stuff! This is a personal attack of the worst kind. Accusations with NO basis! I never said I didn't like gays, that gays are bad, or wrong, or I oppose their lifestyle. I just said I didn't agree with the gay agenda. Just as you can probably say you don't agree with MY agenda. I'm not going to attack you personally for it. Should I call you a mysogynist because you don't agree with me? quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 You're calling me a RACIST because I stated that Clinton used sexual harrassment during his term as a governor? If he didn't, why did he pay Paula Jones almost a million dollars? I think you are WAY out of line here. quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 Is that supposed to be funny? quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 I would say Clinton was closer to rapist than Bush. Isn't using your office to pressure others into having sex akin to rape? And isn't that what he did when he was governor of Arkansas? Edited to add: Clinton was a much better and more accomplished liar than Bush could ever dream of being. You mean to say that you actually believe those women without water boarding them first? Given your recent statements, it was a rhetorical question. I thought people espousing your beliefs died out years ago. Attend any good lynchings lately? You seem to dislike others based on race, color, creed and sexuality. I am dismayed at the number of statutes and legal cases that have been necessary to protect us from such thinking.

MasterShake69 -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 9:15:22 PM)
some people either forget or block out the truth http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/pjones/keystories.htm http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/bennett022398.htm Piece by piece, President Clinton's top-dollar legal team has taken apart the life of Paula Jones, examining topics from her job history to her possible sex partners. Venturing into more salacious territory, they interviewed as many as a half-dozen men who claimed to have had sex with her, including some who said they met her casually at parties or bars and then engaged in quick encounters, according to people close to the case. One former boss signed an affidavit alleging that she pursued him at work and that they slept together. After their short-lived relationship ended, he fired her -- in part, he said, because she dressed too provocatively. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/pjones/stories/pj080197.htm Lawyers for Paula Corbin Jones this week issued a dozen subpoenas to individuals and Arkansas state government offices as part of an attempt to demonstrate that President Clinton's alleged actions toward Jones were part of a pattern of inappropriate behavior involving women. Jones has alleged that while working as a low-level government clerk at a 1991 state economic conference in a Little Rock hotel she was summoned by a Clinton bodyguard to meet with him. According to her suit, Clinton requested sex, which she refused. quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 Is that supposed to be funny? I thought it was pretty funny. I've said it before, I'll say it again Clinton got a blowjob from a consenting adult over a decade ago Neither Clinton, Mrs. Clinton or the woman who gave the blowjob was complaining about it Clinton lied about receiving said blowjob The dress has dried The ship has sailed Get over it. I can, however, if 3,000 service men and tens of thousands of Iraqis had died, half a trillion dollars spent and the constitution been perverted in the name of "National Security" by said blowjob, I would take it far more seriously.

MasterShake69 -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 9:20:10 PM)
The moment the liberals lose an argument they call you a racist. quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 You're calling me a RACIST because I stated that Clinton used sexual harrassment during his term as a governor? If he didn't, why did he pay Paula Jones almost a million dollars? I think you are WAY out of line here. quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 Is that supposed to be funny? quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 I would say Clinton was closer to rapist than Bush. Isn't using your office to pressure others into having sex akin to rape? And isn't that what he did when he was governor of Arkansas? Edited to add: Clinton was a much better and more accomplished liar than Bush could ever dream of being. You mean to say that you actually believe those women without water boarding them first? Given your recent statements, it was a rhetorical question. I thought people espousing your beliefs died out years ago. Attend any good lynchings lately?

Lorr47 -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 9:20:55 PM)
quote: Show me ONCE where I said I didn't like ANYONE based on race, sexuality, or ANY of that stuff! This is a personal attack of the worst kind. Accusations with NO basis! I never said I didn't like gays, that gays are bad, or wrong, or I oppose their lifestyle. I just said I didn't agree with the gay agenda. Just as you can probably say you don't agree with MY agenda. I'm not going to attack you personally for it. Should I call you a mysogynist because you don't agree with me? Read your posts. You say that you are a conservative. Please use the word Neo Conservative. I do not want to insult true conservatives. I had better leave since those who know my political beliefs have probably fainted dead away by that last statement. Where has Celtic Lord gone; a voice of calm in a trouble sea.

MasterShake69 -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 9:29:32 PM)
no problem :) sorry I was late coming to this thread. I was busy today and didn't get to post till later, unlike yesterday where I was home sick and was just posting responses all day ;) Just learn not to get upset with the liberals no matter how they try to anger you with personal attacks. I had one liberal the other day cliping and pasting my journal entrys on the message board for some unknown reason. the harsher the personal attack against you by the liberals the more you know you are correct and they have no ground to stand on. Out of what has to be Hundreds of links i post proving my points they cant respond to any of it. The anger and frustration is all they have left. quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 Thank you MasterShake! I was starting to feel so alone! By the way, I love ATHF. Haven't watched in a while though.

MasterShake69 -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 9:41:40 PM)
so a George W bush or a DIck Cheney supporter would be a racist in your mind equal to the KKK? quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 quote: Show me ONCE where I said I didn't like ANYONE based on race, sexuality, or ANY of that stuff! This is a personal attack of the worst kind. Accusations with NO basis! I never said I didn't like gays, that gays are bad, or wrong, or I oppose their lifestyle. I just said I didn't agree with the gay agenda. Just as you can probably say you don't agree with MY agenda. I'm not going to attack you personally for it. Should I call you a mysogynist because you don't agree with me? Read your posts. You say that you are a conservative. Please use the word Neo Conservative. I do not want to insult true conservatives. I had better leave since those who know my political beliefs have probably fainted dead away by that last statement. Where has Celtic Lord gone; a voice of calm in a trouble sea.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 9:44:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 I just said I didn't agree with the gay agenda. Just as you can probably say you don't agree with MY agenda. I'm not going to attack you personally for it. Should I call you a mysogynist because you don't agree with me? You know, I've heard the term "gay agenda" bandied about for quite some time...but I've never heard just what the agenda is. Is it something like: 9:00am have breakfast 10:00am get facial 11:00 have sex with anonymous guy with huge genitalia 12:30 destroy the fabric of heterosexual life and destroy the morals of the country 2:00 have more anonymous sex with random stranger 2:30 lunch with Derik Is that what you mean? Would you be so kind as to tell me what this ominous gay agenda consists of and what you feel so unreasonable about it? I await illumination.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 10:46:55 PM)
Why should I work on anything? I also said religious zealots, not all religious people. quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 I believe the liberals should distance themselves from the anti-christians as well. Why don't you work on that. quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf ~FR~ Having read the posts here, I believe only one or two posters actually know the definition of conservative. There is also a difference in the types of conservatism. I do agree that the Reps needs to distance themselves from the religious zealots.

DomKen -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 11:06:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 I just said I didn't agree with the gay agenda. Just as you can probably say you don't agree with MY agenda. I'm not going to attack you personally for it. Should I call you a mysogynist because you don't agree with me? You know, I've heard the term "gay agenda" bandied about for quite some time...but I've never heard just what the agenda is. Is it something like: 9:00am have breakfast 10:00am get facial 11:00 have sex with anonymous guy with huge genitalia 12:30 destroy the fabric of heterosexual life and destroy the morals of the country 2:00 have more anonymous sex with random stranger 2:30 lunch with Derik Is that what you mean? Would you be so kind as to tell me what this ominous gay agenda consists of and what you feel so unreasonable about it? I await illumination. Isn't the gay agenda to look fabulous and have lots of sex? Obviously those things spell doom for all heterosexuals everywhere. Seriously the nearest thing to a straight answer on what the right wingers mean when they say gay agenda is that homosexuals might be allowed to live openly without fear of attack and that the disgusting attempts to equate homosexuality with pedophilia might fail and homosexuals might be allowed to openly serve in positions of trust where children could see being gay isn't cause to commit suicide. All in all it sounds much less like the doom of western civilization than diminishing educational standards and a growing divide between rich and poor but what do I know I'm a pinko liberal etc. etc. etc.

BbwCanaDomme -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 11:25:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 do you think heterosexual social issues are brought up during SEX ed? like how to accept a breakup without stalking your partner? or how to say no to someone who is pressuring you for sex? or domestic violence? or talking to your parents about birth control? or how to tell your parents you're pregnant? if they did, there wouldn't be so many babies born in bathrooms and disposed of as garbage. ...I don't know what kind of backwoods school your kids are going to, but we started learning that shit in grade 7. And I went to a pretty conservative Catholic school. There would be fewer babies born in bathrooms if girls were aware of their options and abstinence only education was abolished. The few girls I know who had babies pre-18 did so because they had no idea where they could go to get an abortion and they figured it out too late to get the morning after pill. And what is it exactly that you're worried about in terms of kids being taught about homosexuality in sex ed class? Do you really think that if your kids don't hear about it at school, they won't know gay people exist? Because it doesn't work like that. Instead they'll just be horrified and confused if they turn out to be gay. But in all seriousness, if your kids are in high school and don't know who Susan B Anthony is, you should probably look into sending them to another school. I didn't even go to an American school and we had to learn about her (even though we focused more on Nellie McClung).

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