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MasterShake69 -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/21/2009 11:59:30 PM)
Gay agenda would probably be lead by hmmmmm either gay marriage or pushing having kindergartners taught about alternative lifestyles under the guise of anti discrimination. quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 I just said I didn't agree with the gay agenda. Just as you can probably say you don't agree with MY agenda. I'm not going to attack you personally for it. Should I call you a mysogynist because you don't agree with me? You know, I've heard the term "gay agenda" bandied about for quite some time...but I've never heard just what the agenda is. Is it something like: 9:00am have breakfast 10:00am get facial 11:00 have sex with anonymous guy with huge genitalia 12:30 destroy the fabric of heterosexual life and destroy the morals of the country 2:00 have more anonymous sex with random stranger 2:30 lunch with Derik Is that what you mean? Would you be so kind as to tell me what this ominous gay agenda consists of and what you feel so unreasonable about it? I await illumination.

MasterShake69 -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/22/2009 12:06:41 AM)
The same girls that could get info for FAKE IDS to get into clubs cant use GOOGLE to learn about there options ;) If they are really that stupid how would they manage to open the door to the abortion clinic? Wouldnt they be stuck pushing the door that says pull to open...thats if they got that far ;) quote: ORIGINAL: BbwCanaDomme quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 do you think heterosexual social issues are brought up during SEX ed? like how to accept a breakup without stalking your partner? or how to say no to someone who is pressuring you for sex? or domestic violence? or talking to your parents about birth control? or how to tell your parents you're pregnant? if they did, there wouldn't be so many babies born in bathrooms and disposed of as garbage. ...I don't know what kind of backwoods school your kids are going to, but we started learning that shit in grade 7. And I went to a pretty conservative Catholic school. There would be fewer babies born in bathrooms if girls were aware of their options and abstinence only education was abolished. The few girls I know who had babies pre-18 did so because they had no idea where they could go to get an abortion and they figured it out too late to get the morning after pill. And what is it exactly that you're worried about in terms of kids being taught about homosexuality in sex ed class? Do you really think that if your kids don't hear about it at school, they won't know gay people exist? Because it doesn't work like that. Instead they'll just be horrified and confused if they turn out to be gay. But in all seriousness, if your kids are in high school and don't know who Susan B Anthony is, you should probably look into sending them to another school. I didn't even go to an American school and we had to learn about her (even though we focused more on Nellie McClung).

rulemylife -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/22/2009 12:27:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 You're calling me a RACIST because I stated that Clinton used sexual harrassment during his term as a governor? If he didn't, why did he pay Paula Jones almost a million dollars? Blackmail?

DominantDamsel -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/22/2009 12:47:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark Something that is blatently obvious about your statement that I don't believe anyone has noticed. That Ds isn't about being gay. Neither does it have to do with porn. It doesn't even have to have anything to do with BDSM. In fact, BDSM doesn't have to have anything to do with porn or gay sex either. Your question pretty much sounds as silly as asking why christians participate in DD or Ds. Don't confuse and mix up the whole lot and you can pretty much get why conservative supporters are and can be happily involved in Ds relationships. It could be you simply need to reformat your question? the.dark. Or perhaps he needs to rethink the question entirely. One can be extremely conservative and still be interested in wiitwd. My politics have nothing to do with my personal bedroom tastes or the power exchange in my relationships, though my preference is intimate relationships with like minds. I'm sure there are many conservatives involved in D/s, thankfully..

allyC -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/22/2009 12:51:00 AM)
quote: I'll tell you how, it's because the title of conservative has been hijacked by a group that are anything but conservative. ...... .....I personally think more people are actually classic conservative than realize it. I think I love you. ;)

Vendaval -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/22/2009 12:53:56 AM)
The radical notion of GLBTQ rights is that we have the same rights as other citizens to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. quote: ORIGINAL: MasterShake69 Gay agenda would probably be lead by hmmmmm either gay marriage or pushing having kindergartners taught about alternative lifestyles under the guise of anti discrimination.

BbwCanaDomme -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/22/2009 12:56:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterShake69 The same girls that could get info for FAKE IDS to get into clubs cant use GOOGLE to learn about there options ;) If they are really that stupid how would they manage to open the door to the abortion clinic? Wouldnt they be stuck pushing the door that says pull to open...thats if they got that far ;) Umm...teenage pregancy does not equal fake ids/clubs. The girls I know who got knocked up and had the babies were catholics, who didn't drink, didn't go to clubs, and sure as fuck didn't have fake ids. They had boyfriends in their class at school. The reason they didn't know is because there aren't abortion clinics in Canada, you have to go to your actual doctor. You aren't taught that in school, but you should be. Are you one of those people that think girls are asking to be raped when they wear short skirts?

rulemylife -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/22/2009 1:04:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterShake69 http://www.youdebate.com/DEBATES/Juanita_Broaddrick.HTM Let me see if I have this right. You've stated that attacking Obama is justified as payback for the harsh treatment of Bush. Yet, any criticism of Bush was based on his policies and governing ability (or lack thereof). Clinton was under constant attack from Republicans, not for what he was doing in office, but for the kind of utter garbage you've just posted here. Tell me, if this was true, do you not think he would have been prosecuted, especially since the Republicans spent 80 million of our tax dollars just to get him to admit to a blowjob? And of course we can't forget the other Clinton "facts". You do know he had over 40 different political opponents assassinated don't you?

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/22/2009 1:47:29 AM)
quote: Does anyone think that a group vocally against reproductive rights, gay rights, free speech rights in the matter of pornography are going to at all support the rights of "whip swinging perverts" like us? I don't think you're going to find mainstream Democrat or Republican politicians that will support "whip swinging perverts." If you really believe you'll see Ted Kennedy, Dianne Feinstein, Hillary Clinton, or our new President proudly exclaiming their support of sadomasochism, than I want some of what your smoking. Find me the most liberal politician in America, and have him get caught on camera coming out of a S&M club or party dressed head to toe in leather or latex, and watch how quickly all the liberal politicians condemn their behavior and cross the street when they see said politician coming.

GentlemanAxel -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/22/2009 2:42:47 AM)
The guy who wrote the original handbook on modern conservatism, Barry Goldwater, had an interesting quote I ran across awhile back. "You don't have to be straight to shoot straight." It was a passing reference to the idea of gays in the military, which was as much of an issue back in the 60's as it is today. It's uncomplicated, unvarnished, pragmatic, and utterly unbiased. It's a little nugget of truth. Goldwater himself might not have cared personally for gays, but that one statement showed his willingness to put the needs of the country above his own personal comfort or discomfort. That, I think, gets down to the heart of genuine conservatism, not the lunatic "neo-conservatism" that everybody blathers about. Whatever one's personal distaste or preference might be, personal issues are not in the realm of the government to intrude upon, nor are personal preferences the basis for sound government policy. I'm straight, but I have gay friends, and they're probably more conservative than I am. I dislike abortion, but I recognize the necessity of it, and I recognize that outlawing abortion puts us back to an era of dirty back rooms and rusty coat hangers. Some might argue that this is simplistic, that I'm only choosing between "the lesser of two evils." And they'd be right to point it out. What they would wrong about is being so goddamn sanctimonious about it. The world is not always filled with easy good choice/bad choice situations. Sometimes, you have to find the choice that is the least bad, the one that you might eventually salvage some good from. When I first registered to vote, I registered Republican. I didn't much enjoy the Clinton Administration, but nobody ever said I'd always like the guy in the White House. In the last ten years or so, I've become simply an independent, beholden to no party. Mainly because there are very few Democrats who I can find any cause with and the Republicans have so thoroughly bolloxed everything up. I'll admit to feeling a certain vengeful pride when the US invaded Afghanistan, after the Taliban made it perfectly clear that they weren't going to give up bin Laden. I'll admit to feeling a decided uncertainty about Iraq at the start, because I recognized (if only dimly) that Saddam Hussein's antics were stupid and cruel but not related in any direct fashion I could think of to 9/11. I will admit to feeling a strong revulsion to the PATRIOT Act, thinking to myself "This is not good. This is that whole liberty vs. safety tradeoff that Franklin and Jefferson warned about so many years ago." I swear, I kept hearing Henry Silva (who played Ben Franklin in the film version of the musical 1776) saying "Those who would give up liberty just obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" every time somebody mentioned the PATRIOT Act on TV or on news websites. And let's be honest, while a few may have dissented on the PATRIOT Act, and the Iraq war authorization, and any number of stupid measures that have come through in the last 8 years, it's not as if the room was packed with Republicans and the Democrats were huddled in the corner like frightened children. Both parties have to answer for their stupidty. The impending "Internet SAFETY Act" currently in the House and Senate are perfectly good examples of fresh stupidity. And while Republicans might have introduced the bills, it'll be Democrats who likely end up approving them. If I could sum up genuine conservatism in less than five words, it would be these: "Leave me alone." Am I doing something patently illegal (murder, drug smuggling, burning down orphanages with nuns and kiddies inside)? No? Good. Leave me alone. Am I doing irreparable harm to my community, my state, and my nation? No? Good. Leave me alone. If the state needs my service in matters of public duty (voting, jury duty, taxes), I'm all too happy to help out. If the state needs my services beyond matters of public duty, they can hammer out a deal with me the same as any other entity wanting to do business. The corollary to the idea of "leave me alone" is "I'll leave you alone." If you ask me for help, I'll help within reason, just as I'd expect you to do the same. If you don't want my help, you don't have to ask. And yes, this does not take into account basic altruism, religious calls to aid others, or anything like that. Those are additional factors, wrinkles on an otherwise smooth canvas. Thus endeth the rant.

corysub -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/22/2009 3:15:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou quote: Does anyone think that a group vocally against reproductive rights, gay rights, free speech rights in the matter of pornography are going to at all support the rights of "whip swinging perverts" like us? I agree and don't think you're going to find mainstream Democrat or Republican politicians that will support "whip swinging perverts." If you really believe you'll see Ted Kennedy, Dianne Feinstein, Hillary Clinton, or our new President proudly exclaiming their support of sadomasochism, than I want some of what your smoking. Find me the most liberal politician in America, and have him get caught on camera coming out of a S&M club or party dressed head to toe in leather or latex, and watch how quickly all the liberal politicians condemn their behavior and cross the street when they see said politician coming. I don' think anyone expects that a "mainstream" democrat or republican would support "whip swinging perverts"...PUBLICALY.! Obviously, that would be a position that would be terminal for any poltical career. On the other hand, in the real world, they may be crossing the street to go to a favoite dungeon. D/s is not just about "whip swinging perverts"...it's about the exchage of power that some feel such a strong need. Some of the most submissive men I have met in "unique positions" were guys who were senior partners in their firms who were on stage all day having to make tough decisions, high stress careers..and, while I never met Teddy in a dungeon, powerful politicians like him an Elliot Spitzer or a Bill Clinton, have some characteristics that would make them possibly terrific candidates to be a subbie to a strong woman.

Vendaval -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/22/2009 3:22:32 AM)
cory, Those type-A executives that you describe? Those personality traits are very common in the men who pay for professional dominant women. So much so that it is a cliche'.

RCdc -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/22/2009 3:25:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire So Darcy&the Dark, you honestly believe that the GOP jihad against gays, sex education, women's access to healtcare providers when pregnant.... all of that is somehow utterly seperate? You honestly believe that somehow this is going to stop at your doorstep and go no farther? That you, as a practicing pervert (and I use it as a term of affection) are completely immune to their misguided laws and policies? They you, like the famous german dissident said, "don't care when they come for the jews, because I'm not a jew... I don't care when they come for the homosexuals, because I'm not a homosexual..." (I'm sure you know the rest of the quote.) If YOU really believe that... Then I guess they are more than just hypocrites... they're fucking deluded too! The majority of people - in general - are deluded. The OP statement and basic question is why are their conservative Ds participants. The OP then goes on to bring in gay, porn etc. They are are not mutually inclusive. The thought is like saying, because someone doesn't dig scat, how can they be part of the Ds community. Or that, because someone isn't tolerant of public displays of discipline then how can they be part of it. Or that if you are gay, you are automatically BDSM or Ds. None of these are correct. People seem to have this fantasy perception that because you practice BDSM or Ds or some sort of kink, that these people are 'special' and are more tolerant of all practises. That's pretty much disproved even by looking at this selection of posts alone, let alone the entire Collarchat site. YKINMK is pretty much a buzz word that people use to distance themselves from people they don't agree with, but hope to hold on to some inane and ridiculous notion that at least they appear tolerant. And it's pretty much bullshitting. the.dark.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/22/2009 3:34:02 AM)
quote: I agree and Cory, those words don't appear in my post. But somehow they appear in the quote your attributing to me. I'm just clarifying before someone else misquotes me.

RCdc -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/22/2009 3:36:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: Something that is blatently obvious about your statement that I don't believe anyone has noticed. That Ds isn't about being gay. Neither does it have to do with porn. It doesn't even have to have anything to do with BDSM. In fact, BDSM doesn't have to have anything to do with porn or gay sex either. Your question pretty much sounds as silly as asking why christians participate in DD or Ds. Don't confuse and mix up the whole lot and you can pretty much get why conservative supporters are and can be happily involved in Ds relationships. It could be you simply need to reformat your question? I have no desire to change my question. The fact is that the conservative financial agenda is tied in with the conservative social agenda and we are not part of it. I will instead, since you want to so distance yourself from other alternative sexualities, quote the words of Martin Niemoller, a German pastor and theologian about the results of such thinking. "In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist; And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist; And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew; And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."or, to use the words of Ben Franklin, "I we do not hang together we most assuredly hang separately" But who are you trying to speak up for personally? And if you are so worried about being persecuted, then don't participate in something you might be persecuted for. But then, you pretty much wouldn't be living much of a life, would you? Basically, you can't make everything equal. Because NOTHING is. Everything is equally unequal and visa versa. You are basically suggesting that just because I am in a Ds relationship I automatically should be tolerant and supportive of an alternative. I am not an american, but for the sake of this discussion, I will use the whole 'liberal' analagy. If you are so liberal... how come you cannot accept that conservatives can be in Ds relationships? It might not be your idea of a Ds relationship. It may not include daily doses of porn, or gay sex, or discipline. So what? You are questioning the very validity of a persons personal choice of relationship. How very 'conservative' of you.[;)] the.dark.

Lorr47 -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/22/2009 3:40:40 AM)
quote: o a George W bush or a DIck Cheney supporter would be a racist in your mind equal to the KKK? I am amazed at my self restraint.

corysub -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/22/2009 4:19:59 AM)
Barry would have loved the post...and I do too!

KaineD -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/22/2009 4:27:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 I don't personally know anyone who is waging a war against gays. But I do personally know a lot of conservatives who are tired of having the liberal PC susie-has-two-mommys gay agenda being shoved down their and their childrens' throats. Myself included. I don't care what you do behind your closed doors, trust me I am terribly serious about that. I wonder if the general public, liberals included, would be just as gung-ho for kids books called My mommy has a slave, or having beat the sub family night? Ridiculous logical fallacy. Do the gay books you refer to go into detail on the sex life of homosexuals? No? Then you don't have a leg to stand on, really. You're just making yourself look silly. How oversensitive are you that the existence of a "susie has two mommies" book drives you nutso? Your post is another example of those who are extreme on the right just aren't living in the real world with the rest of us and have to imagine controversies and agendas where there are none.

KaineD -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/22/2009 4:34:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 Why does tolerance and diversity only go so far as the minority pushing their view? Why don't we have white history month? Why are we allowed Heather has two mommys, but no prayer in school? My daughters know the life story of Rosa Parks, but probably know nothing at all about Susan B. Anthony. yes, I just asked and had it confirmed Why is a minorrah an acceptable display in government buildings, but a nativity scene or even a christmas tree is not? Another fallacy of the extreme right - false outrage. Please, spare me your false outrage. Why don't whites have a white history month? 'Cause everyday is white history day. Were whites in slavery in America? No. You have no legitamite reason to be angry over not having a white history month. We need concrete examples of "heather has two mommies" books in public schools. And no prayer in school? There is this thing called seperation of church and state. But perhaps you'd be happy forcing children of non-christian religions and athiest kids to pray to your boogeyman in the sky. America is simply too diverse to make prayer time in most public schools very practical - a teacher would have to lead the prayer, and who do they pray to? If a kid really wants to, they can pray themselves anyway.

KaineD -> RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community (2/22/2009 4:38:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterShake69 The moment the liberals lose an argument they call you a racist. Its telling that you immediately assume the comment was about racism. I took it to mean MissSephora1's ideas are as outdated as lynchings.

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